American Troops Tormenting Iraqi Children -- Sickening
This was sent to me by someone in my meetup group. He asks the question... Americans or Nazi's?
This is sickening and shows why we need to come home immediately!
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I agree these few
soldiers make us look bad in America, and all our good soldiers.
However, Bush and Congress are no better than these idiot American troops.
They're sense of humanity and morality are morbid
It is horrible
I agree that it is sickening, but why do we keep posting this stuff here? It casts a broad brush on all troops and detracts from the mission at this site.
By no means do I condone the actions taken in the video - they are clearly wrong. However, it comes real close to what happened to the Vietnam Vets when everyone was chanting "baby killer!' to them when they returned.
One apple spoils the batch in the public eye. That is not true when it comes to reality though. I know more valiant and honorable troops that are serving in the military than anything else. In fact, I do not know one of these people that keep getting videod. Most of our troops do not like what they are being told to do and trying to make their impact as positive as possible. So, let's focus on the election and get them home.
By the way, I am suggesting that we stop posting this stuff here, not saying "stop!" You are free to do as you see fit.
Until the Election is Won!
Chaplain Steve
Ron Paul - Lion of the Constitution
Vietnam...
...was different, for the simple reason that many of those being chanted at were slaves, aka draftees. Our all-volunteer army has no such excuse.
Actions like this
Fortune Favors the Bold
actually hurt our miltary serving abroad. It will just serve as more recruitment for the al-qaeda.
These people don't deserve our sympathy. They are putting the lives of their fellow soldiers in danger, disrespecting their duty, and undermining the mission.
No excuse for such
misconduct, all the way from the top, George Bush down to the groud troops. Lead by example. And they hate us for our freedom!
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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Thanks for this video. These soldiers need to be kicked out of the service. This is an outrage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This should be seen and reported by the MSM but I know it won't be.This is sickening!
this is nothing new in
this is nothing new in warfare. cut the troops some slack. they are not your enemy and are under attack enough from other sources. if you haven't been to Iraq you'll never understand. the wrong thing to do in the US might be the right thing to do in Iraq.
trust me when i say this. very few if any of these guys deployed with plans to torment children. the strain you are under when on combat patrol in Iraq will never be understood by the average American.
so instead of attacking the troops let's continue supporting them. and work on ways to get them home. we don't need this turning into another Nam were people are spitting on veterans. this only further divides us and helps the neocons win
So how did that relate to throwing a puppy off a cliff?
There is no excuse for any of this. These guys who did this should be court martialed. They represent America and are traitors in my book and deserve no respect or quarter.
Those that are serving honorably deserve respect and these guys are a blight that should be made an example of.
Stress...
that is why some men beat their wives. Great excuse.
The only crowd worse than "blame America first", is the "no soldier ever does bad" crowd. Police officers deal with the same stesses, and we will not tolerate that barbaric behavior. This is lowering the western standards to those of the "towel-heads".
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
NO NO NO!!!
Don't you get it? What they're doing is WRONG!!! They don't deserve respect, they deserve contempt, or at best, pity. Respect is for people who don't sell their freedom for a scholarship, and then get sent across the ocean to kill innocent people for the ends of some crooked politician and his hidded contributors over here. You "support the troops, right or wrong" guys are ridiculous!
What strain we're these mercenaries under?
They were giggling as they tormented the children and maliciously killed animals and civilians. These are bullies and cowards, not soldiers and certainly not my fellow Americans. Why would I need to go to Iraq to understand the obvious?
they are a disgrace to our good soldiers
but what troubles me is how some of the public can come up with every excuse possible to allow this behavior,,,,being stressed in a war, even when you know its a wrong war should not require you to torture or harm innocents,,,,thats a moral decisions these people make on their own,,,true many are young, come from bad families etc,,i do get that,,,and compounded with poor leadership makes it all quite possible, BUT at the end of the day , when that soldier lays down at night, they know in their own heart that that was their own personal decision to make...bottom line,,,they will make fine taser toting cops and blackwater mercenaries of our future
As much as this needs to be aired...
...somewhere, I kinda wish it wasn't here. This is one of the most divisive issues that ever comes up.
I will not cut the troops some slack. They signed up. They are TOOLS of murderous fascists. As a group, they choose to obey. Individually, at this point, they may have little choice, but that doesn't mean I have to support them in their rampage. They were shortsighted fools, and now they are instruments of evil, and for every unjust killing they are a part of, they deserve to die.
It isn't my place to kill them, and when they return, I hope they will find mercy waiting. Still, they ought receive no parades, no medals, no pensions, no rewards of any kind, for their participation in atrocity.
I agree
One of my sons is in the National Guard and I will show him this video and I will have a talk with him because if he ever has to serve there or anywhere else I hope he will know better than these idiots!! This is totally disgusting to watch.It breaks my heart. I mean WTF?????
twin, you pay for this war
You fund it. Yet your self righteous ass will simply forget that as you pass judgment on American troops. What have you done? Brave American? Nothing. You sit here and pay taxes, fund the war, judge the troops you helped send to war. Pathetic. Spare us the mountain of BS you just posted. You don't even have the courage to not pay for the war, however, you expect a soldier to have his head right in a war zone and do the right thing. Prick.
Yeah, well...
...I didn't sign up for it, now, did I? Unlike our volunteer army. I was born here. I wasn't given a choice. Tell me a just nation I can move to, or a place with no nation, and some way to live, and I'll try to go. Until I can, I am not responsible for this BS. I am oppressed, a slave of the government, just like everyone else. Except for those who volunteered to be more, like these soldiers, those who volunteered to be the instruments of oppression rather than just the victims of it. You myopic scum. Ask the courts at Nuremburg if orders are enough to absolve you of guilt.
The point of the video is clear
The war is hurting our troops. They are suffering. PTSD is rampant. This is not a anti-troop video. This war is illegal and a meat grinder. We need our troops at home. We are trying to bring you back, hang in there.
Exactly!
So why am I an a$$hole?
Because I am comparing them to Nazis? Got news for you, Nazis did a lot of similar things.
Like I said before, sad but painful truth.
You're helping pay for it!!!!
Do you get that? So I guess you're a nazis. You help fund the war. That is very clear. Have you really sat down and thought about that? Think about that next time you pass judgment on the troops fighting the war you help pay for.
Nazi? Ha! LOL! I am Latino,
Nazi? Ha! LOL! I am Latino, foo! It would never fly!
Of course, I help pay for this war. So I am not exactly sure what your point is.
Pass judgement? Excuse me?
What are you talking about?
The behavior they are showing is inexcusable but understandable given the circumstances. Do I hate our soldiers? Absolutely not but what they are doing is very wrong and is really no different that what the Nazis did.
It is very sad that my tax dollars are paying for this too!
So do us all a favor when trying to make a point, ease up on the foul language. This actually hurts Dr. Paul. People do not want to come to sites full of foul language. Well and Nazi references too but at least my comment had a point to it and in NO WAY did it espouse any support for such Aryan ideology.
With the exception that soldiers act in crude and hazardous ways when confronted with prolonged battle.
That is the reality.
Is it wrong to not watch,foul shit goes down every day all
around the world but there are not enough video cameras to catch it all
the UN mows people down from its conception and reward china for mass genocide and did we foget the janjaweed over in darfur paid by the gov to
wipe out the inhabitance with ethnic cleansing whens the last time the msm spoke on who we support over there ...........they wont because they support the african gov that financially supports the guys doing the killing
MURDER IS MURDER regaurdless of what nation the victim is from or how nice of a life they lived or what the accepted view of the msm.
we are not putting a dent in the death machine !until we can defund it we will continue! bono,buffet,bill gates donated million and millions to the UN for planned parenthood only(specifically for that only) plan parent is abortion type places do any of these people know about what G D said to multiply! did I miss the memo?
ps
palistinians???
American soldiers are really no different that Nazis
It is a sad painful truth. But they both fight in stressful situations with all these deaths. Moreover, they are told what to do. They act in ways that they would normally not. Something worth thinking about. Hmmmmm...
I do not support such behavior and quite loathe it but I feel for all soldiers who fight politician wars.
In case anybody wants to see more videos, go here:
http://www.infowars.com/?...
ah kendude, you pay taxes right, asshole?
guess what, you help pay for the war. You help pay for the Iraq war. So spare us the BS. Your silly ass is just as guilty.
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nice...
really nice language.
your point is...
go away troll!!!
You're a prick
and your comments do not help Ron Paul or his relationship with the military.
So why am I a prick?
Make your point!
Instead of using this type of FOX pseudo-argument BS.
This is really tough to watch.
I know many of these young Men and Women are strung out, nerve racked and can know doubt feel some sort of abandonedment or betrayal from their government.
However this is no excuse for their actions. Many of these senseless actions go hand in hand with senseless asshole actions we see or have seen here at home. Just because someone enlist in the military, does not mean that they no longer posses the extra large asshole gene.
These young men have no doubt had poor upbringings. I blame their parents. So many poor individuals enlist just to get out of the projects, trailer parks or back woods shacks. To get away from abusive parents or to be fed.The military is a quick get away for these kids.
My Daughter is in the NAVY. She is still the strong respectful individual that her Mother and I raised. She has told me many times about these disrespectful individuals. They joined to get away from their homelife, and now they are resentful against their choice.
Sometimes the military will re-shape an individual to maximize their character, but not always.
The standards of acceptance has been lowered to accept almost anyone. That alone is a dangerous within itself.
I know there are many many good, strong, respectful troops over there. However, it only takes a few to ignite a crowd and instill resentment.
tnwatch, this is the product of WAR!
This is what happens. Troops become hard. Emotions are suppressed. Death is always present. Stress is constant. This is what war does to people. That's why you don't go to war unless you have to. This is just another cost. This soldier needs help, not the ignorant judgment of clowns on DailyPaul. How about we get pissed at the asshole that lied and started the war? How about we get a little angry at ourselves, since we help pay for the war?
Troops we need you here at home. We will do everything we can to bring you home. God bless.
I'm not disagreeing and don't talk down to me
I have been around for awhile. I was just a child during Vietnam, and I could never understand why people were spitting on the very soldiers who went in their place. I know things like this have happened in every war that has EVER been. Become hard, my ass. Some folks who are shipped out already have questionable character or disposition. War induces the atmosphere of wrecklessness , hopelessness, and an" I just don't give a damn attitude." After all, aren't they basically conditioned to hate the people of whom are the said enemy? And I'd say it's a sad thing for anyone "release emotions" like this. Most have probably been injected with psychopathic drugs, that will cause permanent damage. Reguardless, ones who conduct themselves like this need to be OUT and their sargents as well, because most likely , he encouraged this type of attitude.
You're entitled to your opinion. I for one do believe that the shock culture has indeed had an effect on this generation. This technique is even incorperated into education.
I deplore Bush and ALL the war mongers. I have been on this earth long enough to know that war is a rich mans GAME but the poor mans battle.
I have 4 sons and a grand son and I for one do not intend for them to be any mans pawn!!! We do indeed need our sons here, to protect OUR borders. We need to keep our damn noses out of everyone else's affairs .
This lends itself to
An explanation that I have spoken of before. When people feel disenfranchised (which our troops do) they act out in different ways. The "fringe" will act out in ways that are despicable. Some of our people here are considered fringe because they approach solutions in ways that many people would not. It is a release valve that is not condoned by most other people, but can be corrected by correcting the problems. Our troops have no rights. They are made to do things they don't want to do. Their behavior indicates it is really getting to them. They are filming it and don't care who ends up seeing it. They are fed up.
I'm ...............
I don't even know the word for how that made me feel. Shame, disgusted, angry, sad, mad,embarassed.............
This is the end product of the shock culture so prevelent in our society. It is designed to remove your humanity . Howard Stern, is a prime example of shock jocking, no control under the guise of freedom of speech.
Folks on TV airing all their dirty laundry we are a sick nation! I don't have a TV anymore bc of sick , demorailzing shows like this. Plus that show jack ass, or is that dumb ass. People just don't understand what such "entertainment" is doing to this generation....it's sick, sick, sick!!
Animals don't even do such things! And we're the smarter order?
I know ALL soldiers aren't capable of this type of brutality, but one is all it takes to cast doubt and distrust on the entire group. That is just human nature to protect ones self against a possible threat.
This entire "group" should be punished for their brutality.
I'm sorry...
...but this is full of crap. Watching Jackass (which your calling dumbass is about equal to the kids of South Park [another great, irreverent show] calling Miss Chokesondik "Miss Makesmesick") and seeing people staple/sligshot/otherwise hurt themselves will not make you go chuck puppies off rooftops.
Humans have done this sort of thing, and far, far worse, in times of war from time immemorial. Further, animals do f'ed up scheiss all the time. Dolphins and koalas rape, ants enslave, chimps murder and cannibalize. A show like Jackass comes about because of human nature, not the other way around.
excuse me twiningtree
Are you calling me names, or is "Miss chokesondik ", "Miss Makesmesick", the titles of some of the show's you're (not your) watching?
whatever............
I'll just say that there are too many out in the world who can not see that they are being socially engineered...........de state of denial.
We as humans are suppose to be of the "higher" intelligence. I don't believe humanity comes from apes/monkey/chimps whatever. I guess boys are just boys then huh? The mentality of these soldiers is beyond just being "stressed, repressed" boys.
Wake up, we are all being socially engineered/brain washed. Things you see affect you more than you realize.
i agree
engineered from birth...hell before that even,,,but the sheeple sleep on tnwatchman .....
The point...
...was that people did terrible things to each other long before TV was even invented. We are in most ways mroe civilized than ever we were for the vast majority of our history.
The government has gone way
The government has gone way too far with this! It's disgusting how they use more and more power to get their goals acheived. That's why Paul is the only one that will get the troops home back soon!
this is horrible
was that a bomb they threw at the sheep herder?
So, How does this help Ron Paul and our message?
Shouldn't the focus be on us and the individuals in our government who put them in this shithole war? Many of them are 18/19/20 year old boys under chronic stress and many have witnessed their friends killed or wounded. They are there for a year, two years. We are destroying the minds of our troops. They are in a civil war. Surrounded by enemies. Anyone of you here would be a very, very different person. Yes, what they did in this video is wrong, however, what the individuals did to start this war was far worse. Lets keep our focus on them.
Ummm, 100 years.
The first casuality of war is the truth, and the second is focus.
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
careful
two days ago i started a forum concerning marine soldier throwing puppy off a cliff and commented this was the tip of the iceberg....i asked them not to believe me but to look for videos concerning soldiers harming innocent iraqi civilians, dogs, cats, livestock etc and took quite a bashing,,,i was accused of several things by about half the people who responded back including being unpatriotic!!! the other half got what i was trying to say and were as shocked as i was......thank you for picking up the ball with this....there are some very sick people wearing military uniforms and then return here and don police uniforms,,,which may explain increasingly violent turn our police force has taken.....take care
wow
wow
drugged, sleep deprived, brainwashed
These are our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters and they are terribly ill. They need our love and support, and an end to this war. How would you feel if you were a soldier who signed up to defend his beloved nation, and THEN figured out what we have figured out?
Odds are I will be heading
Odds are I will be heading that way by September(Iraq). But thanks to the info I have been picking up here and other places I think I am better prepared for it. So i do thank you for your comment.
Please come back jmhenderson .
in one piece and a sound mind.
bless you
I lost a family member over there. He died believing he was on the "white horse," and I am ever so greatful for that. Your burden I can hardly conceive of, but I will carry you and all our soldiers tenderly in my heart.
War is hell
and it hurts our men and women in more then one way. The true crime is not the action of the soldier, it's our inability to stop individuals in our government from abusing their power. We are at fault also. We allowed our troops to go fight an illegal war and WE subjected them to the horrors of war. So Adam, take some responsibility. Sitting on the computer posting war footage isn't cutting it. What have you done to get our troops out of the hell that is Iraq?
We are all....
...responsible for our own actions. That the troops are unfortunate to be there is true. That a bunch of selfish, miserable boomers brought us to this point, is also unfortunate. That those men have allowed themselves to become monsters is unfortunate. But monsters they are.
twing, you arrogant
asshole. Your taxes help pay for this war so guess what, using your logic, you're a monster. Have you gotten off your ass and tried to stop the war or your money that helps buy the bullets?