An Independant Candidate.
Posted March 7th, 2008 by Svens Son
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I just watched Ron Pauls video.
To me, he has conceded the presidential campaign.
He understands the movement to be ongoing.
But since Mr. Paul has the congressional seat, and
he can't change his party because of that, he has
to stay Republican.
He cannot win the nomination now. It is mathmatically
impossible. And even if there are some errors in the
delegate count, he will not win the nomination.
Let's get that straight. He will not win the nomination.
But, thanks to Texas, we do have him as an all
important powerful voice of the people in Congress.
And, he has set up committees and infrastructure to
allow the Revolution to continue. Now it's up to US.
It is clear to me that Ron Paul is asking us to bring
someone forward, to continue the presidential campaign
by his comment of bringing people to run "at all levels"
We need an Independant candidate.
An independant candidate could use all of Ron Paul infrastructure, and could run for president.
Now this candidate would have instant support, us, and could gain more attention, as the independant seat is not as established.
Think about Ross Perot. He got tons of attention.
And at the height of attention, we bring Ron Paul into the picture.
We mention we want Ron Paul as Vice President.
Think about it. We could keep his platform, and possibly get him
in as vice president. At that point, anything is possible.
Any takers?
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No, RP can still win
just not in the conventional sense (popular vote). Brokered convention is still very possible if other states keep collecting RP delegates. I can guarantee you that if I can get to the Nat. Conv. I will NEVER vote for John McCain. RP on the 1st vote. So what if the Republican Party "censures" me and says I can't vote Rep in the next election?? So what?? If all RP delegates stand up and take control what will they do censure all of them?? Ross Perot endorsed Romney, he's a sellout.
Dr Paul
Dr Paul has already said there will be no brokered convention..and no, there is no way we can get the GOP nomination.....NONE
cross endorsements
Many times in the past I have seen the same presidential candidate on separate voting lines. such as Republican/Conservative etc etc. If a third party like libertarian or other endorses Ron Paul could be on both lines. If the Republicans do not nominate him he would still be on the ballot on Libertarian, or rtl or green parties.
That being said. I do not think the ballot machines will work this year. We would need enough Americans to write him in or file absentee ballots. I believe that is the only way to win. Time to wake up the rest of America. This is the beginning of a movement. It will grow all summer.
Dangerous
because you can split his vote. If he's on the ballot twice, and gets, say, 60% of the vote, but 30% each in two parties, then he loses.
Independent?
As in third party? Been there done that, good luck cause you will need it.
You missed the entire point of his message.
He's not dropping out, or he'd be able to help organize the march.
He's still going to campaign in upcoming elections.
He didn't call for a new presidential candidate. He just said that new GOP blood that can continue the revolution should campaign at all levels.
He said the campaign is entering a new phase. Why drop out if you're entering a new phase?
Pct. Leaders already know about this new phase, and none of it involves dropping out.
I think it was when he said
Victory in the conventional sense is not available in the current presidential race. . . . elections are short term efforts. . . . Our job now is to plan for the next phase. Supporting the right individuals in all levels of political races. . . . The presidential campaign will soon wind down. we encourage efforts to gain delegates. . . . It has to be more than a Ron Paul revolutiuon.
It is so clear what this means, time to move on PAST the presidential campaign.
why would he want
delegates if we were moving past the presidential campaign?
A conventional election is one which takes the popular vote. We are past the point of a conventional election. This will be an unconventional election -- delegates people -- we need delegates!
Wake up it is time to become a delegate and go to St. Paul!
In any war there is always propaganda and misinformation produced to discourage the enemy. We are the enemy; if you don't understand that yet, then you need to wake up!!
12 more States to go and two territories; my question is, doesn't Hawaii have primaries this year?
March 11 - Mississippi
April 5 - Virgin Islands
April 22 - Pennsylvania
May 3 - Guam
May 6 - Indiana, North Carolina
May 13 - Nebraska, West Virginia
May 20 - Kentucky, Oregon
May 27 - Idaho
June 3 - Montana, New Mexico, South Dakota
Sept.1-4 Republican National Convention — Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN
We can get as many delegates as possible
And still look to support a third party candidate in the fall.
If we don't start now, supporting a third party run will be a day late and a dollar short.
Chuck Baldwin?
He has always supported Ron Paul's views.
Learn more about him here....
http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
Take a look at Chuck Baldwin's most current article titled "Who Looks Foolish, Alamo Heroes or US?
http://www.chuckbaldwinli...
I was kind thinking of someone
a bit more famous.
This guy is interesting, but he is a bit preachy, and we have a lot
of atheists on board.
But his message is the same as Ron Paul
that is what matters most!
I never knew who Ron Paul was a few months ago...so it would be up to us to spread Chuck Baldwin's name, too.
How about Lou Dobbs.
I still have to research him a bit deeper, but I like what he says.
I listen to the Alex Jones thing, granted, he didn't mention Ron
Paul, but to be fair, he has given many opportunities to Mr. Paul
on his show,
for example
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
and
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I would have liked Lou Dobbs about a year ago...
... but he's very much for the War on Drugs. He's also apparently not seeing the problem with Real ID, as he has slammed guys like Elliot Spitzer's plan to give illegals driver's licences because "it undermines the Federal governments initiatives with the Real ID". He speaks about this like it's a bad thing.
Anyway, I think Lou is 1 knock-of-the-head away from piecing together all of the BS he's been complaining about the last 5 years. I think there is hope for him, I just don't think he's there yet.
Besides, he's stated vey clearly, and on many occasions, that he couldn't stomach being surrounded by politicians all the time, so a Presidential run is out of the question.
I don't know
I've watched and admired Lou for years... until I found Ron Paul.
The thing that keeps lurking in my brain is that if Lou was really the threat to MSM that many would like to believe that he is, and therefore a friend to our cause, would they have kept him on so long?
His more or less single-issue advocacy (illegal immigration) is just a whisper compared to Ron Paul's message.
I don't know...
I agree we should encourage a third party candidate
The grass roots infrastructure is still in tact.
An independant that could start with support of 5 - 7 % is huge, and could keep our ideas in the public eye. Now is a great time to talk about sound money.
The real problem is who, ideally it would be someone with name recognition already. I have heard Bob Barr talked about, but he had that problem with fidelity, and was punked by Borat.
Anyone with any Ideas ? ?
Finally!
Thank you ironman.
It's the message as much as the man.
Lets find a suitable candidate.
Alex Jones?
I think Alex is a bit to controversial
From time to time I think it might be worth it to link up with Ralph Nader, despite some of his socialism. But if your main issues are immigration, or taxes, this would be a problem.
Yes I agree
after thinking about it.
I'm in this with you all the way
I'm just trying to look at our options realistically.
What are the chances of garnering new support
for Ron Paul, when after the largest money bomb
in history, Ron Paul get's single digit percentages in
Iowa.
Not that I think Ron Paul didn't get cheated. I'm sure
he did. That's not the point. The point is,
we lost a ton of support. They all went to Obama.
Think about how the donations dropped off. We lost
a bunch of people to Obama.
Even Ron Paul said that in one video I saw on youtube.
Look I have been campaigning
my butt off. I voted in the Colorado caucuses, I've ran ads in the local paper, I've made youtube videos, held several meetup groups.
You know what I keep hearing.
I don't want to waste my vote.
But worst of all, people just don't care. They want government handout.
They don't want to have to think on their own.
don't be ignorant
Here is the assuring commentary from Jeremy Blosser, Meetup grassroots coordinator in Ft Worth area in Texas (Johnson County for Ron Paul):
McCain does NOT have the nomination.
I hear some of you are discouraged even now. Turn off your televisions. The media lies, people die. How many of you knew the convention process existed 3 months ago? Why do you think the media is going to tell you all the truth about it now?
John McCain does not have the nomination locked up, and in fact the way things have played out is possibly in the worst shape he's ever been on the delegate front. Many of the Huckabee people are not going to vote for him. In our conventions last night, the no-confidence-in-McCain resolution passed unanimously in many rooms where we were not the majority. Those people are with us now, as long as we get them there. You have their names and noticed how they voted on core issues -- that is your new canvass list! Go win them as supporters, and keep them in the fight with us!
We don't need a bunch of candidates at St. Paul to keep going. We
need a bunch of delegates there to keep going. Many of them were
never bound in the first place, and many of the rest are now released and mad. The floor is going to be McCain-vs-everybody, and his support is just not there in even the people on the ground that are saying they'll vote for him. Remember what we told you about Reagan's Raiders, and get used to the phrase Paul's Patriots. (I'm tired of them having that word, I want it back.) If you think that's a fairy tale then WAKE UP and look at what we did in Texas last night!
HERE is how we could have lost it all last night, and ended the race
in favor of McCain -- if you guys had not gone out, across the state,
and done the work. That's it. If we got killed in the delegate
process, it would send the message that we can't do it even in Texas, and other states that still need to vote would have a very hard time keeping their people going. Other states gave us a fair amount of momentum, but to me it really came down to us, here. Operation Come and Take It. Would Texas keep it going and make it even stronger, or would it fizzle here?
I need not have worried. Phase 2 of Operation Come and Take It was a resounding success. You guys responded, and I think last night may go down as the shot heard round the world of this Revolution. We still won't have final numbers for a while but there's no question we did something the rest of the country has got to hear about. The media isn't going to tell them any more than they told you, and we need those people out repeating our successes and expanding on them. We need them to be delegates in their own areas. Now. Point them to the resolutions we passed, and the strength with which we passed them -- to me, these resolutions serve as a great metric on how well we are doing in delegate strength. If we keep passing our resolutions, we are staying the majority. It's like the final numbers on the primary vote. Show others the resolutions if you want to encourage them; you can find them here:
http://WWW.ocati.org/dele...
Keep your eyes on the prize. We are after the national delegation and the party platform, nothing less. We had major success on that front last night, but it only continues if we keep going. We have 7 months until the national convention. We don't need all your time until then, and we probably need less than we've needed so far, but when we call we need you to be there. All the way to the end.
PS -- If you have signs out in your neighborhood please collect them
ASAP, they won't likely last today. We want them so we can use them
later.
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Look, a congressional seat
is equally as important as a presidential nomination, IMO.
Now, everyone will be looking to see how Ron Paul voted,
and what bills he is introducing,
and they will put pressure on other congressman to vote
on his bills. Congress has nearly equal power as the president,
even more if the people are backing congress against the president.
This is why Ron Paul did not run as an Independant, IMO.
He didn't want to give up an extremely important position in congress
Let's stop pressuring him and let him get back to work at what he has been very good at for 10 terms, but has had little attention.
That has all changed. Now he is a rock star in Congress.
Had he been worried about reestablishing the Republican Party, he wouldn't have ran as an Independant in 88.
He used that as a campaign tool, trying to get the Republican Party to understand how far they have ventured from what they stand for.
But as Ron Paul says, this is about the message.
So, and independant candidate with Ron Pauls message is another tool to get the message to the unbelievably dumbed down masses drooling over the rhetoric the CNN/FOX conglomerate feeds them.
Hmm-I don't see it that way
I didn't get that from his video. He said to keep doing what we are
doing.
Where do you get your view from specifically?
I think people should run for whatever they can, but
his plan is to return the Republican Party to its original intent.
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The point is they are cheating.
and they are not going to let Ron Paul win, short of a real revolution, and then the point will be mute, because we will all be dead or locked up.
But they wouldn't see this coming. And they don't have the infrastructure
to cheat an independant candidate.
That's why Bloomberg was going to run as an independant.
They thought, if Ron Paul wins (because they weren't sure
the cheating system would work) they would introduce
Bloomberg, and MSM would blast him with attention, taking
away from Ron Paul.
But after that first election, and the result came in as they had
cheated the system, Bloomberm quietly stepped down.
How
How the hell are we going to be dead or locked up.....You are quite the alarmist
Maybe Gary Johnson would be
Maybe Gary Johnson would be a good independent candidate for President.
Please listen.
Please listen folks.
An independant candidate could use all of Ron Paul infrastructure, and could run for president.
Now this candidate would have instant support, us, and could gain more attention, as the independant seat is not as established.
Think about Ross Perot. He got tons of attention.
And at the height of attention, we bring Ron Paul into the picture.
We mention we want Ron Paul as Vice President.
Think about it. We could keep his platform, and possibly get him
in as vice president. At that point, anything is possible.