To all DP Thought Police who don't believe in our 1st amendment rights
Posted March 8th, 2008 by someguy
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DaddyWarBucks: I believe it is now clear that hq is throwing in the towel. The incompetence they have shown has gotten us to this point in spite of a heroic effort by the grassroots. I agree with some supporters who say ‘stop the donations’ at this time. However, I disagree with some supporters who contend that ‘we are all leaders’. All movements, all revolutions, all armies need organization; and with that leadership. Hq has failed to provide the leadership direction this campaign and revolution mandate. I love Ron Paul, but when you choose friends to lead a national campaign who lack national campaign experience, I would place that under ‘flawed judgment’. Nevertheless, I have witnessed over many months on DP, that there are many here with innovative ideas and some which exhibit leadership abilities. I consider you a member in both of these categories. Unfortunately, we have alienated and disenfranchised most of the grassroots supporters. But, I believe we can not only get them back, we can recruit new masses of Liberty seeking Americans from the majority 18-45 year old base. Therefore, what I suggest is that we form a think tank nucleus to create a now-to-November plan and an on-going plan into the future. A now-to-November plan may consist of finding the best Libertarian ticket and promote it with Dr. Paul in an advisory role. A person/group could produce one page flyer similar to cold fusion’s, to perk the interest of voters and potential voters. Coupled with this flyer, an economic recovery and revitalization package like Dr. Paul’s and you have this all online ready for download/printing by the grassroots, who can place these on all cars during high school/independent school/college/university graduation days; to the neighborhood thereafter (see uline.com for door handle bags). Once the Libertarian ticket is decided, we need to promote it since it will speak like Ron Paul’s message of freedom with limited government. This will surely rekindle the grassroots fire we all saw in November/December 2007. If we can demand that hq donate the remaining 6 million to either the Libertarian party or their PAC, and you, DWB, devote 1 million/month to msm advertising, then we have a third party campaign that can truly make history!
Nightowls - what do you think?
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OK, look...
...not one dot or iota of the Bill of Rights says you can do jack diddly on a private (non-government funded) website. I get so sick of people misrepresenting and cheapening our rights by applying them as restrictions to anything but government. While you are on my property, I can require you to say, "I like to lick the sweaty little rotting balls of sock lint from between peoples' toes." every five minutes, and if you don't I can make you leave. I can also ban you from saying it. Your First Amendment rights dont have the least bearing on what you can or can't write on DP. So stop talking about your First Amendment rights. Talk come up with some other argument, "I thought this was supposed to be a forum for exploring different ideas." or, "Do we really want our movement to be so closed-minded?"
Who said I am on you thought police's
property? The last time I looked, this was MN's. Until he flags me, you people would be wise to think about how the good doctor would respond to my ideas/concerns. Let us focus on constructive criticism with a touch of statesmanship.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Look, man...
...I ain't flagged anybody, aight? Ever. But you led with a 1st amendment thang, and I'm just sayin', it ain't got nothin' to do with it. Yer on somebody's private property, so you can be censored here, and the owner is perfectly within his rights to do so. MN left up these funny little "flag as offensive" links for other users to use as they wish. It's up to him whether he decides to remove something or not.
I like the rough concept.
I like the rough concept. I'll deal with your ideas about the "think tank" and leave the rest alone since those are the kind of things think tank(s) would decide.
The idea of a "think tank" is appealing. Its very difficult to discuss and implement ideas in an internet forum for a number of reasons. I don't think constructing one "think tank", even if the people were chosen by the good doctor, is a good idea. This movement doesn't really have any mechanism for deciding who would be in that think tank and odds are few people would actually follow along (for good reason). That said, I really like the idea of smaller groups forming over specific topics.
These groups could do a number of things. Some could produce distribution packages which could be easily duplicated by grassroots supporters to get the word out and get new people involved. Some could make new websites which are geared to the neophyte. They could also produce reports on different topics. For example, I'd love to know which is more cost effective for bringing people into the movement, DVD distributions or fliers. Fliers are cheaper per copy but contain little information. DVDs are more expensive but get far more information across. Which is better, for what situation?
People within the movement could then choose which package, websites, reports they want to use without any central comities sending out instructions (which would never be followed and would almost certainly be incorrect, just like the government itself).
The creation of these groups wouldn't have to be formal or anything. We could conceivably do it now without any new infrastructure, just a new wrinkle added into our understanding of working together, but I don't think that would be the most efficient way of doing things in the long run. We would need a website designed to deal with the formation and reporting of groups.
Is this something like what you were looking for in terms of feedback?
Thank you for your response. The neocons are famous
for their network of think tanks which run non-stop. They are amazing tools we should not be without. A website could define the various think tank specialites and let each committ to weekly updates or progress reports to feed the grassroots fires. As to DVD's v. flyers, I have found combining them in a plastic door handle type bag with a freedom card is most effective with neighborhood distribution. For parked cars, I prefer using a business (freedom) card which is less offensive and produces less than 1% litter (blowback).
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Establishing a number of
Establishing a number of think tanks with a similar model to the neo-cons is a lofty goal. Its something to work towards in time but it requires huge amounts of money given that at many, like the American Enterprise Institute, the full time staff get six figure salaries, nice offices etc. We aren't at that point yet. If we were to raise the same amount of money we did for Dr. Paul's campaign just for think tanks we would have a great deal of difficulty matching the neo-cons for one year.
We need to walk before we can run. As I see it, the core of your idea is that we need intellectual leadership and direction. As of right now, most of ours comes from articles like those found on Lew Rockwell and radio programs like Alex Jones (and many more but those are two big ones). The Mises Institute is about the closest thing we have to a think tank, and while much of what they write is good, there is little action that comes from it since its still, for the most part, a collection of articles written by individuals with little to no funding and a relatively powerless base. These organizations/sites can handle some aspects of intellectual leadership but they tend to result in incomplete ideas and poorly coordinated action.
For a movement like this one, a way to get a foot in the think tank door could be as simple as a website that simplifies the logistics of bringing people together to work on projects. This kind of organization would have room to grow into something with paid positions in time but its primary purpose would be to facilitate small, project specific group formation so that we could build the base. The groups could provide more leadership in this effort than a collection of forum posters or individual writers could. This would help transition towards something resembling think tanks later on.
Meet-up is ok for bringing people together locally but for intellectual work it would be best if groups had the ability to draw from the whole country, or even the world.
Some groups would form around position papers, some around research, some around producing short videos and still others might just come up with fliers and poster designs but the sum of the effort would be to make us a more effective campaigning force in the future.
Once we have more people, particularly those with disposable income and in office, the think tank structure become viable. The key is being able to build towards that. Facilitating group formation based on projects is a viable stepping stone towards a true think tank while still providing some of the functions that individual writers just can't.
You Idiot.
You are a idiot. The real supporters KNOW what you are doing. You dont fool anyone on here. It aint over till I HEAR IT FROM RON PAULS MOUTH.
I think you need to go back to you f'n bridge
You ignorant troll. We will prevail no matter how much someone is paying you to disrupt freedom. We will win.
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God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
Wow!!!!
I was trying to be nice, but well said Shishio.
Not
not according to Dr Paul
I think...
you should have just emailed DWB directly.
I would have emailed DWB but
I don't know his email address. Can you help?
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell