Liberty Dollar Update: The G-boys are back!
Posted March 8th, 2008 by xntryk1
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From: truth@libertydollar.org
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Warning!!! The G-boys are back!
March 07, 2008
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
WARNING! The G-boys are back! This time they are attacked the peaceful town of Asheville, North Carolina. As you may recall, on May 15, 2007 we reported "G-Boys Roust Liberty Dollar" when they attacked Mark Lightfoot's crafts and jewelry business in Lexington Kentucky.
Now, despite the lack of any complaint from a resident or business in Western North Carolina, US Secret Service and the FBI agents have launched a thorough investigation into the use of the Liberty Dollar in the Asheville area. Beginning April 3, rogue agents have tracked down people one by one from the easily available list of merchants and demanded answers regarding their use of the Liberty Dollar.
When asked about the reasons for the investigation and the frivolous use of taxpayer money, their response was:
1. That the Liberty Dollar is flirting with counterfeit laws
2. That the Liberty Dollar is not regulated by the government
3. That widespread use of the Liberty Dollar would further weaken the already weak US government issued dollar
The ridiculousness of their "reasoning"… let along the law is… well… unreasonable! First, the Liberty Dollar does not "flirt" and is certainly not counterfeit. Second, like most businesses, the government does not regulate the Liberty Dollar. So what? Third, at a time when the government is spending a BILLION dollars a day on war alone, the thought that somehow a few Liberty Dollars per day would have any impact on the US dollar is beyond logic.
Fortunately, many Asheville merchants have called Kevin Innes, the local RCO, to report their "interrogation" by the G-boys with tones of incredulity in their voice. They also commented that their time was being wasted by government employees questioning them about the local currency and applauded Kevin for his efforts to promote a money that was good for the community, with integrity.
Each merchant was asked if they had any Liberty Dollars and, at least on one occasion, when the merchant said they had a Liberty Dollar, the officer stated that it was "contraband" and "asked" that it be turned over to them. Which the merchant did! Without a receipt or fair market compensation, the merchant's property was stolen! All this without the "officer" identifying himself or serving a search or seizure warrant!
Please note: While I am not an attorney, you are not required to give any information to any government agent unless you have been summoned to court and you are told to answer questions while under oath and even then, you cannot be forced to give any info against yourself or your spouse. There is absolutely no requirement to surrender any possession without each item being specifically mentioned in a seizure warrant signed by a judge and that it directly relates to a criminal investigation.
With such tactics and abuse of office I am forced to change the "G" in G-boys from little government boys with big badges to goons with little brains. People are not tolerating such gross misbehavior and thief of their property! Nor should you! Please report all such incidents to the Liberty Dollar.
I consider the actions of these government agents as a direct interference and disruption of Kevin Innes' honest RCO business activities through slander, harassment and intentional misrepresentation of the law. This assault on Kevin's business is clearly a violation of his First Amendment Right to use the Liberty Dollar as "expressive conduct". Shall we band together or be assaulted one by one? You may be next.
Such obvious action is a subversive effort to influence the "jury pool" before the Grand Jury meets and my subsequent trial to follow in Asheville. It is also obvious that the government does not have a case and are trying very hard to get one together. It now appears that the government is running scared. And that can be very dangerous. As the US dollar collapses… though that is NOT the intent of the Liberty Dollar… this situation will get worse. Be forewarned: we, our money and the government are entering a very dangerous time. Tyranny ahead! Look out!
If approached by a G-boy please treat him/her with respect and get the agent's name or badge number. You need NOT give any additional info. Please report any such incident to Liberty Dollar: 888.LIB.DOLLAR or 888.421.6181.
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Contraband?
!. The Liberty Dollar is not flirting with counterfeit laws, as it does not in any way represent the "dollar" in current circulation. I defy anyone to show me someone who would confuse the two.
2. No, the Liberty Dollar is not regulated by the government, and neither is the federal reserve note. The government is supposed to COIN money and regulate the value thereof, which they don't do. The Constitution says that gold and silver are the only lawful tender. So how can the Liberty Dollar be counterfeit, and the non-redeemable federal reserve note not be?
Does any agency of government claim to be regulating the value of the dollar? If so, how do they explain its continuing decline in purchasing power?
3. Wide spread use of the Liberty Dollar would have no effect on the strentgh of the federal reserve note. The weakness of the federal reserve note is the result of deficits by the Congress which have been monetized by its creature, the Federal Reserve.
How could the Liberty Dollar be contraband? Who says its contraband? Is it some bureaucrat who makes up the rules as he goes along? What law makes it contraband?
Somebody should have called the local police in and had these fools arrested.
The Krugerrands are gold.
They cannot be confiscated by the U.S. govt. So buy one oz. of this - here's why:
The South African government wanted to encourage people to buy gold mined in their country, and so they did three things to make it more attractive.
1) Countries (including the U.S.) have a history of confiscating precious metals like gold during economic crises. However, there has been a tacit understanding that one country doesn't confiscate the legal tender of another country, even if the currency is a precious metal.
To make Krugerrands more attractive, South Africa made the Krugerrand legal currency, which theoretically affords the gold protection from confiscation.
2) When countries have minted hard currency out of precious metals, they traditionally denominate the coins in fiat units (e.g. dollars). For example, I have a gold "Eagle", it's a $10 coin minted by the United States. It's legal tender. I could legally buy lunch with it. However, countries (including the U.S.) have historically always taken certain forms of currency out of circulation, including making possession of the old currency a crime. Going back to the example of the Eagle, the face value is $10, but it's a full 1/4 oz. of gold, meaning that the metal is worth more than twenty times its face value. Technically the Federal government could force people to trade in their Eagles for $10.
To make Krugerrands more attractive, South Africa denominated the Krugerrand by weight, not rands (their money). So no matter what the value of the rand, the Krugerrand retains its value by weight, rather than fluctuating up and down depending on the exchange rate for the rand.
3) Krugerrands typically have a low margin, typically 1% markup (above the going "spot" price), so they're much better deals than the companies advertising on the radio, who sell Swiss Francs with a 30% markup. !!!yikes!!!
4) I can pick them up on e-bay pretty easy.
Local Currency for the Berkshire Region, Are They Next?
Local Currency for the Berkshire Region, Are They Next?
http://berkshares.org/
Who Governs the Governless?
Good reading:
Thanks for the post, I enjoyed reading about that. Sounds like a good thing and a step in the right direction. But I wouldn't be surprised if the feds stick their nose in and make a big deal of it because they haven't figured out how to tax it and take it away yet. (Like they don't have enough to do) It is much like the same ole barter system I have used all of my life. I work on other peoples cars, trucks, equipment, or around their house in trade for something else rather than fiat money that they want to tax me on.
Very interesting
Is there an maximum I.Q. threshold G-Boys must not exceed before getting hired? 60 maybe? Maybe they are just cybernetic robots programmed to do as told. (I'm trying to retain my faith in humanity.)
I don't care...
Instead of bitching about it why hasn't NORFED retained a lawyer who would get the confiscated goods back?
NORFED is suing the Feds. If
NORFED is suing the Feds. If you hold paper notes you can get in on the claim.
Why don't they just use American Dollars?
Specifically legal and lawful United States of America government issued gold and silver coins [See: Title 31 U.S.C. Section 5112(a)]. Federal Reserve Notes are not issued by the government but by a privately owned international banking cartel called the Federal Reserve Bank. Nothing is backing them. (See: Public Law 94-564) No officer or agent of the United States may interfere with it's operations. So stop using the paper and use the coin. When the collapse comes you will be relatively unscathed because the coin will have value and the paper will not. It will be what the I.R.S. deems to be "worthless securities" [See: I.R.C. 165(g)]
What is "G-boy"?
I don't get it.
G-boy...
for ~G-men~.. slang for Government agents.
Those Federal Reserve notes suck!
I think I'd be tempted to tell them that I have also accepted navy beans for services, would they also like to take that contraband? I really don't see why anyone should care what "currency" 2 individuals use in a private transaction. I would consider a Liberty dollar transaction to be a bartered transaction.
Incidentally, every time I withdraw cash from an ATM here in Panama, I'm getting brand new sequentially numbered $20 bills. The first time I thought it was cool. But it is every time now and it's really annoying because they stick together. How many of those puppies are they churning out every day?
Ditto
I'd be curious to know how many people have gotten new bills lately. I'm in Washington state and for the last six weeks it's been nothing but brand new bills out of the three different ATMs I hit over that period. As fast as they're printing them I'm surprised they haven't run out of serial number combinations by now.
for kicks,
take one of those $20.00 bills, put it in the microwave for 3 minutes, and let me know if it burns a hole over Jackson's eye.
(d)
???
Why?
Let's keep the freedom train rolling.
if it burns
that is the rfid chip being destroyed.
http://video.google.com/v...
(d)
I commend their perseverance
I commend their perseverance with the liberty dollar!
Still waiting.
I'm just waiting to get the 90 Liberty Ron Paul dollars that I ordered. I want to give them out to my friends and local businesses. I'll even give them as gifts to businesses, perhaps they will give me a soda pop in return as a gift.
I don't see how anyone in
I don't see how anyone in their right mind could confuse the liberty dollar for anything that was produced by the Federal Reserve.
Besides, doesn't the Constitution say something about currency ONLY being in gold or silver?
About the liberty dollar weakening the U.S. economy, I don't believe the the liberty dollar has anything to do with that. I blame our looming economic mess on many of our current and past elected officials, the Federal Reserve and maybe even the IRS.
If anything, the liberty dollar might prop up local economies IF financial disaster ever strikes the US economy. Simply because the value comes from the silver content which cannot be taken away by the Fed via inflating our currency by creating more of it.
Ultimately, I think these sorts of legal issues are going to be resolved (most of the time) in favor of the respondents due to the same exact reasons that many people who do not file federal income tax returns win their cases when prosecuted. The jury usually wants the prosecution to show them the law. With income tax cases there supposedly is no law, so it is not shown and the defendant is found not guilty on that basis. With this liberty dollar stuff there are laws that prosecutors can show, namely the Constitution, which would benefit the defendant.
Remember, the Constitution is there to define our rights which the government has an obligation to protect. No law in our nation can take away our rights unless it is constitutional.
You just answered your own question
"I don't see how anyone in their right mind could confuse the liberty dollar for anything that was produced by the Federal Reserve."
That's because the government *isn't* in its right mind!
Gee, if I start accepting silver Canadian $5 pieces, or if I start accepting Euros, will the Federal Busybodied Idiots come after me, too, for using alternative "currencies"? How about if I accept baseball cards or other barter proxies that aren't dollars? What about IOUs for services and goods to be rendered or redemmed?
These examples aren't as absurd as they seem, and they clearly illustrate the point that a person can accept in trade whatever they ant, and there really isn't a damned thing the gummint can do about it.
Would be laughable if not so
Would be laughable if not so tragic.
THanks for the
info. Vote Ron Paul
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