Can We Still Go Third Party (Libertarian or Constitution Party) if the GOP Delegate Strategy Falls Short?
Submitted by James3 on Mon, 03/10/2008 - 21:49
I'm simply asking: Is it possible to still go third party if the stealth delegates to the GOP convention strategy to block McCain falls short? I'd rather see Ron Paul the Republican nominee, but is it possible?
NO
Ron Paul would have to give up his seat in Congress to Run as a Third Party.
That and you would make him a lier if he did it.
The answer is to work within the Republican Party. There are A LOT of people like us that just don't like Ron Paul. However, they are not happy with there elected officials.
I for one am now a Republican Precinct Chair, have joined the Denton County Republican Assembly and just volunteer today to help with the runoff election in April. I am also a Delegate to the Senatorial Convention at the end of this month and will be trying to become a Delegate to the State convention in June.
I am a Ron Paul Republican.
With enough support and
With enough support and enough $$$ to back the effort - we can pretty much do anything!
It's Up to them
The recent chatter out of Libertarian & Constitution Party circles is about their love for Dr Paul, and their desire that HE be their standard bearer in November. Presently, the Good doctor is still courting Republican conservatives, libertarians, and peaceniks, knowing that if they go so far as to make the emotional investment in the r3VO_]ution by voting in the primary, they are as good as locked into voting Paul again in the fall.
Between the LP, the CP, various Reform or Conservative Parties, and other "thirds' across the continent, we'd have the requisite ballot status to secure mathematical competitivity.
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Forget It
He's not going to do better in another party. He will do worse. Do you even know who's running for the nomination in those parties? Name one candidate. That's how much media attention they get.
The LP executive committee issued an invitation to Ron Paul to put his name into the race to be considered as a potential nominee (if he did so, we'd nominate him). Did you read that in the news? No, because the media don't cover third parties. It would be a footnote if he switched.
As a practical matter, the LP's convention is at the end of May. Ron Paul would have to "betray" all the delegates in the GOP and quit that race to switch. The GOP convention isn't lost until September, so if he gave up and switched before then, we'll never know whether it was possible to have pulled it off. We must continue what we're doing.
It's very flattering that people here keep starting 3rd Party threads, but it's crazy. The LP has been trying to get a fair shake from the media for 35 years. Actually, I expect someday one of the establishment parties will implode and we'll stand a chance of replacing them. If the GOP nominates McCain, it might be soon.
We'd love to have Ron as our nominee, but it's not going to solve a single problem we have before September, and after September is too late.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Thanks
Thank you. Could the other third parties you mentioned nominate Ron Paul as their presidential candidate in the meantime? And, could RP be nominated by them and still run for the GOP nomination?
P.S.
If he switched, the GOP would name someone else to run for his Congressional seat.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
No.
I'm pretty sure it's against their rules. Besides, it would alienate too many Republican voters and GOP officials. They don't understand freedom. As Ron Paul has pointed out, they want economic freedom, but they don't necessarily want other kinds of freedom.
He already has enough educating to do without being endorsed by the crazy Libertarians (don't tell them I'm one).
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
Maybe but i'm not sure. I
Maybe but i'm not sure. I know this though. He can never say he'll run third party until he's forced to actually make that decision. So that is a strickly post-convention question.
The current posture is to write RP in, but i have heard varying degrees of problems with this. So this is the last resort.
An independant third party run i'd have to say no. Could he get a nomination from the Libertarian party or Constitution party??? You'd have to ask them. Are the resources of either party enough to offset the bias all third parties inherently run into? IDK but something is better than nothing.
If i were RP i'd also consider VP for either parties nomination. It would bring alot to anyones ticket without placing too much pressure on RP to sell the ticket. It puts the ball squarely in the court of the party to be and their candidate.
If you're trying to figure out what you should do when the time comes consider these things.
- Write-in as last resort.
- Push hard for the convention. Everything depends on it. No one can really make a move until the convention concludes.
- If we cannot swindle the nomination then we'll see where the Libertarian and Constituation parties stand at that point.
- If they motion to nominate Paul then we're back in business.
- If they motion to VP Paul i think we're still in business.
- If it comes down to a Paul write-in or backing the Libertarian or Constitution candidate. IDK that will be the pill I swallow when the time comes.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
I have been thinking of the VP thing
VP can have more power than the Pres.
I don't mean being VP for one of the current CFR, neo-con candidates either.
I Agree
I Certainly Agree That We Should Stay Together As A Voting Unit!
Oh yea, i'll add this too. -
Oh yea, i'll add this too.
- if and/or when the time comes whatever i do if Paul is not on the ticket. I will do collectively with as many like minded people as posible. That is to say, whatever we do we should do it together.
"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it."
Thanks
I'm sure Dr Steve's advice about the GOP delegate process is correct, but I also know nothing happens until it happened. I agree we should continue recruiting more delegates for the GOP convention. However, if that should not work, I wanted to have an idea of what could be possible regardless of the obstacles. I know it's a long shot going a different route, but we have been creative and the country and economy may be ripe and ready for an honest man telling the truth in November, Ron Paul.
See Nader? Perrot?
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The only way he won't win is
The only way he won't win is if we don't show up
Read my post on how we will win here : http://www.dailypaul.com/node/36650#comment-383086
I would think the liberterian party would know i am telling the truth why do you doubt what i am saying?
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The 2 Posts Prior to Mine...
Seem to be saying "there is no way Ron Paul is going to be our next President". But on other posts that are circulating right now, there are many that indicate that there still is a possibility.
It appears to me like the person asking the question above (James3) still thinks there is a chance that Ron Paul can become a Presidential candidate - either for the Republican party...or if that does not work out like we hope, then possibly he could run on another party ticket.
It is no wonder we (myself included) don't know how we are supposed to feel right now. There are so many different types of posts right now and one moment you think "Maybe there still is a chance" then the next moment you read another post and you think "I don't think there is a realistic chance".
Anybody else have any thoughts?
Thanks.
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Yes, and for the 100th time
(though I take no offense at being mostly ignored) we're feeling the need for a better sense of where everything is at, and how all the pieces fit together. There is an unmet need for a better foundation, a deeper understanding of who we are, and what we're doing, and why—though some may believe otherwise.
The confusion here (call 'em as I see 'em) stems from two things: (1) Most of us, naturally, are pretty new to this thing of nation-rebuilding via the internet, and (2) we do not have an overall Strategic Plan, a clear, complete and unambiguous sense of direction. The Tactics we now engage (Precinct Leaders Program, for example) are important and needed, but not nearly enough.
I've been asking for weeks: What about vote fraud? the primaries and caucuses stank of it. We can win the nomination in the most clever, dazzling, historically significant and cool way possible... we can go down in the history books as the people who showed 'em how it's done in September. But unless we find a way to get rid of the Diebold Deep-Space vote-Disposal Units, do you really think they will let us win in November?????
Most of us recognize that intuitively, but cannot come right out and say so because the possibility is too threatening.
For the 101st time, (:>) we need a big-picture, all-inclusive Strategic Plan.
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yes, and we should
start to look at some of the possible candidates soon.
The fact is that Ron Paul will be on the congressional ballot this Fall, not the presidential one. I can't imagine anyone here voting for any of the current candidates.
So does the constitution party or the Libertarian party want our votes and support ? I think some of the possible candidates should seek US out.
If the polls are correct, and RP had 5-6 % nationally. We should be able to deliver 5 million votes. Imagine if the libertarian candidate beat Nader, that would be huge.
Guys, You're All Invited to Watch the Libertarian Convention
CSPAN usually covers the Libertarian Convention on TV. The Convention is at the end of May. I'm not sure, but I think you can even attend it as an observer. It will be in Denver, CO.
It would be a good idea to watch it just to see what a convention is like, although, since we don't get government funding and pay our own way, it's not that flashy and it's on a smaller scale.
Several of our candidates have endorsed Ron Paul, and/or said they'd step aside if he wanted to run under our banner. (I've listed the problems with that elsewhere in this thread.)
You can find out more at LP.org. Many of us are thrilled Ron Paul is running again.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
If Dr. Paul is not the nominee , lets all vote
Libertarian...
It is the closest ideologically.
Of Course
Dr. Paul is not going to be on a presidential ballot. But what we do is give the Libertarian and Constitution party our vote and some money. If they get 2,000,000 votes this election it will be a huge statement. They will blame us "Ron Paul supporters" for losing the election for McCain.
But we are much different than Nader. Our party has real problems with McCain. Gore was just boring and Nader got 2,880,000 votes in 2000.