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Time to ask the Amish for help
Posted March 12th, 2008 by DaveMac
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They have radiated self reliance for decades. It's time we went to them for help. They can teach us. We do not have to be dependent on oil, processed food or electricity. I will take my son and we will visit the nearest community and ask for help. Most Americans will not embrace the concept of limited government without examples of Americans living without all the Fed and state programs. We must be those examples.
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Remember the past as you look forward to today...
Amish
They know revolution.
They know how to fight when it's appropriate.
And most importantly they know how to stick together.
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If you could think for yourself you
wouldn't need these bogus websites...
Help with what? A BARN RAISIN'
??
Well, first things first....
Well, first things first.... everybody grow a beard.
: )
I would prefer to wear a bonnet while churning butter.
"If humanity can grasp the basic concept of 'Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations', and then accept it for what it is, then there may yet be hope. If not, then the destruction of mankind, at it's own hand, is inevitable." - Anonymous
You might...
.. get a bee in it!
=P
Darlin...
No worries, I have had a bee in my bonnet from the start of our revolution.
"If humanity can grasp the basic concept of 'Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations', and then accept it for what it is, then there may yet be hope. If not, then the destruction of mankind, at it's own hand, is inevitable." - Anonymous
Hehe..
you go girl!
=)
Been there..
.. done that!
=)
Here we go again
the same characters, Mart, Zambone, now good ole Jerry. Grow up boys, There are many folks here enjoying this thread. Is your silly little posse accusing me of "psyops"? Is that a joke? Or are you guys really paranoid nutjobs? God help this Revolution. You freaks are a bigger danger than the neo cons.
Haha..
.. how grandly delusional of you to equate criticism of yourself as harming the Revolution.
Lordy lordy!
=))
Freaks? Why Freaks? Why Not Say You 'Folks' Instead?
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You used the word 'folks' once (above) but then called us folks "FREAKS" --
FYI: I enjoyed the thread, said as much, until I saw you wishing to argue for the obvious sake of argument. Now where does something like that go? Into the ground and nowhere.
The Amish (as I've said) have good and bad about them that we might all take and use to our advantage. But I've also reminded everyone that the Amish are a private sort (more so than the normal Joe off the street) and because of that their privacy should rightfully be respected. Gave good sound links to support those things (you tried to discredit) -- one of which was from Berkeley. Your call entirely, not trying to take anything away from you.
Just suggest you relax and chill out; and please stop calling people FREAKS just because you find they are starting to question your motives. PsyOps is real, maybe you're not for real but PsyOps is nevertheless. We should all be aware of that, not paranoid about it, but aware. All of us. You too.
Ah Jerry, accusing me
of psyops because I posted about the importance of observing the simplicity of the Amish makes you a freak in my book :)
Ah DaveMac, accusing me
of being a freak in your book because I commented about the importance of observing the privacy of the Amish makes you a tad simple-minded in my book :)
-- Now whatdaya think of that?
Yet another..
..strawman.. NOBODY is criticizing you for pointing out positive traits of the Amish.
*rolls eyes*
Hi..
.. Dave.
=)
I can't believe people still fall for
DavMacs post's.
classical extrapolation almost to the point of absurdity.
It does several things. Associates negative feelings "crash, no modern life, backwardness' to the revolution as well as other things.
DavMac is a pretty good psy op but a psy op non the less.
Yeah, He Got Me -- But That's Okay, It Was Fun While It Lasted
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Here's a little message from the folks at the 4th Psychological Operations (PsyOps) Group, Fort Bragg, North Carolina:
http://www.soc.mil/psyop/...
***extract***
Persuading rather than compelling physically, they rely on logic, fear, desire or other mental factors to promote specific emotions, attitudes or behaviors. The ultimate objective of U.S. military psychological operations is to convince enemy, neutral, and friendly nations and forces to take action favorable to the United States and its allies.
- It's that reference to a perspective or need to convince 'neutral' and/or 'friendly' anything (above) that truly bothers me.
Darn
you foiled my attempt to get RP supporters to learn from the Amish!!!!! I'll be back.......You haven't beaten me this time....
You guys do realize you're crazy, right?
Poor Dave =*(
People are out to get him.
And You Don't Keep FLAGGING Me -- Right? Look Again.
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Seeing the trick to YOU is your insistent argument // apparently only your way or the highway. I stated I was agreeing with you (partially) I stated a need to respect the privacy of the Amish (a very private people, everyone knows that) -- I stated a few other things; but YOU turned that into an argument that you continue. And FLAGGING someone who simply disagrees with YOU (be it partially or othewise) doesn't speak too kindly of your intent(s), forum friend.
(And if I'm wrong) Look at it this way:
I apologize -- to YOU -- and to those 'poor' Amish ;-)
Haha..
.. yup. Eternally repeated "budget" strawmen are SOOO boring. Kind of like a 10x10 crossword puzzle.
I would think his handlers are a bit unsure of his future potential at mastering the dialectic in a stealthy way.
*yawn*
;-)
A bit of Amish news
from central PA
Since the Amish don't drive, when they need to go to hospitals or on other trips, they usually get a non-amish neighbor to take them. Some people do this regularly, and the Amish will pay through gifts (essentially barter). Generally there is no set amounts, but the Amish are usually generous, and will give quilts, home canned or fresh vegatables, wood crafts, furniture, etc.
Apparently this made someone in government mad, and one person found herself fined for running a non-licensed transportation service, and several other people were threatened with fines if they continued. outrageous
Your Post Made Me Think Of This
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A Google link to AMISH NEWSPAPERS
http://www.google.com/sea...
While visiting purchase some of their cheese!
The Amish make the best cheese, won't even find any of the chemical residues you find in most store bought cheese.
An interesting side issue is occuring in the European Union. Since they are now starting to have collective sanitary rules, many small farmers, who have produced for hundreds of years, are now being restricted from selling their cheeses to the market. The truth is that some cheeses, in order to be produced actually require a less than sterile environment. But this is what you get when you allow New World Order Babylonians get control!
Who are the truely Just and Honest.
Like I said the Amish are certainly a lot more productive then the bloodsucking Babylonians we have in Washington. Those with their little secrets, which anyone with half a brain can figure out. They come up with great schemes to take away our money. They pass us paper and tell us it is actually worth something, they pass laws to protect the interests of Corporations so that only they can produce, while the individual is restricted from producing and selling their products. The Amish live simply, but at least they aren't stealing and living off of our nickel, which is probably not even made of nickel any more; Lying bastards!
To each their own as long as they don't tread on me!
I like your idea to visit the Amish, they appear to live very healthy lives and are at least self reliant. Unlike the Babylonians in Washington who have to rule and suck off the people in order to live. (They worship the Washington Monument which is a Babylonian obelisk, you can read about it in Samuel). Not that I deny the Babylonians their right to practice their craft or religion, just as long as they don't tread on me.
Jerry, I think you are getting a bit
carried away. "primitive" cultures? We are not visiting an ancient tribe in the Congo. We are going to observe the Amish. Many have villages and stores set up that show their lifestyle, etc. The tools they use, stoves, equipment. I was obviously not suggesting we move in. I've had great experiences with the Amish. There is no doubt in my mind they would be more then willing to answer some questions about living simply. I'm also confident I will not taint their utopia with my lifestyle. I take pride in being self reliant, American and respectful. I promise not to pollute their space :) To suggest the "poor" Amish could be sucked into our lifestyle by a visit is slightly arrogant. If you view "us" as being corrupt and immoral, than your concern is your concern, not mine..
DaveMac?!?!?
You take pride in being respectful?! Really? Since when????
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!
~rolling on the floor in gut-busting laughter~
=))
*rolls eyes*
Hostility & Anger Just Drips From Your Good Intentions
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Do your thing forum friend, you're going to anyway, I can see that -- no doubt about that. Not me standing in your way of seeking what's best for YOU // in fact I'm moving to the side so you might continue to do your thing, okay.
Primitive with a question mark (from you) -- YES by many standards for sure they are that. That's how I see them, it certainly doesn't make them bad being that, if that's what that ? was supposed to represent.
Ah Jerry, they choose
to live simply. If you want to equate choosing to live simply with being "primitive", be my guest. I don't think that is accurate.
One More Thing -- FLAGGING ME, Is That How You Respond?
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My post in response to your use of "primitive" culture was FLAGGED instantly -- and by you, I suspect. I don't agree with you 100-% and for that my post is to be considered deserving 'Flag As Offensive' -- apparently by you or someone else thinking so. Great!
And speaking of GREAT, here's a great fact sheet on those Amish; this submitted for everybody here in the forum (or elsewhere) wishing to know more about the Amish w/o actually stopping by and knocking on their door to their home, uninvited:
http://socrates.berkeley....
You seem to me, forum friend, to want to turn this into an argument because I simply state the Amish choose their simple way of life and that they should be entitled to continue in that choice they make. The only way they might be allowed to do that is if people like YOU leave them be. They don't recruit folks (as the article will tell you) and their way of life is certainly primitive in many standards to what others across this land enjoy. But again, that's their choice, no one forcing them to change that way of life //
Perhaps you don't honestly understand my intentions in the words I've used here -- I'll think as much and leave it at that.
But I will try and say again take what is best for us -- I agree with you on that, I never did state that to be a bad thing -- but how we might go about doing that is entirely a delicate matter that needs to be respected. Leave the poor Amish alone in other regards.
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An encyclopedia definition of primitive cultures:
in the lexicon of early anthropologists, any of numerous societies characterized by features that may include lack of a written language, relative isolation, small population, relatively simple social institutions and technology, and a generally slow rate of sociocultural change. In some of these cultures history and beliefs are passed on through an oral tradition…
-- Now how many of those traits apply here would you say? None? Some? A couple, maybe? Not all have to, obviously.
-- Flag away!
Do you read what you post?
'Leave the poor Amish alone in other regards.'
Asking them some questions about living simply is some kind of assault? Jerry, come on. You make the Amish sound like wilting flowers. "poor" Amish. They have been doing business with other communities for a very long time. You act like they live in a little bubble somewhere. Perhaps this exchange has helped their culture. My outlook may be more positive.
* I did not flag your post.
Stop With The Mental Gymnastics -- Read From The Link 'FriendO'
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(this from link provided for enhancing your education of the subject) --
-- "The question of what long-range effects this will have on the Amish community is thus clearly raised. Recognizing early effects of this trend, many Amish are trying to recover the lifestyle associated with family farming, the legacy of slow change, and close parent-child relationships. In the absence of farming opportunities, for example, many establish cottage industries or work in groups doing carpentry to minimize contact with outsiders."
-- They have a reason for wishing this.
Not expecting you to understand, even though you profess to walk among the Amish. And my use of the word poor was not meant as derogatory in any sense you are trying to make it that -- just my way of saying LEAVE THEM ALONE -- that's what they wish (from us -- outsiders) but some 'outsiders' feel they know what's best, regardless, don't they.
Well somebody is steadily FLAGGING -- see the red remark missing from my postings will tell you that as a fact. It locks the posting and prevents further comment therein; at the same time I suppose it is sent to a Global Moderator for later review. But I actually don't consider me having submitted anything 'offensive' just some minor disagreement with your suggestions, that's all. Out of my hands entirely.
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"That's what "they" want"
You got this from one article. The entire Amish community wants to be "left alone". Pretty general, Jerry and not accurate. If we left them alone, they would go broke. Don't worry Jerry, we will not corrupt the natives :)
Okay, Thanks For Clearing That Misconception Up (For Me) ;-)
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We won't be corrupting them huh:
-- How about the Amish school house shootings?
-- How about the Amish that was 'news' not so long ago caught growing pot? Which by the way I don't have any problem with. Maybe not a good example.
I don't wish to continue trying to belabor this with you. Have a nice day.
Jerry, we are past wondering whether
someone will "teach" or not. We need to try. I'm sure the Amish would embrace Americans living a more simple life. It benefits them and their families. They were always very kind to me in Ohio. There is great power in observing simplicity in action and being successful.
I'm Not So Much Disagreeing W/You DAVEMAC
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Here's an Amish website:
http://www.amish.net/life...
I doubt very much they can be credited with posting that site (above) but it still gives some interesting insight into the people and their beliefs.
A simpler life (like I can see in my own mind's-eye: is a quiet beach of white sand and gentle rolling ocean with my lady walking beside me) // that's something I believe we all should seek, if for no other reason than for our own sanity. A little peace and quiet, away from the world and world troubles that most of us have little to no control over anyway.
And of course the life of the Amish is a simpler life // better in many ways and harder in many ways than what we can even imagine // but my point is still that they would most likely be suspect of outsiders (rightfully so, they have good reason) and polite sure, not saying anything about that for that's part of who they are, but suspect for nothing else than ensuring that protective border that does exist between the two ways-of-life might remain; why yes it might benefit those of us with good intentions seeking a better way of life but disturbing that border could be downright disasterous for those poor Amish who would be absorbed into our world, unintentional or otherwise. History indicates it happens routinely with primitive tribes, those that remain today in the world are few and far because of the interaction of society upon them. Think Brazillian rain forest and what we (the hand of man) has done and continues to do to that region. Our influence is being absorbed in their direction -- not so much what's them towards us, but the opposite of that.
Let's leave the poor Amish alone and not cause them undue stress. Take from them (for sure) what is best but leave them to their own peaceful existence. That's my point, and my concern.
I live on the border of Pennsylvania, not far from Lancaster, a major Amish community. I have visited there and have seen the tourist trade that has developed there around those simple folks. Not saying that we have destroyed their way of life but by moving a bit closer to that existence we have surely upset the balance that exist. Two completely different life styles can't occupy the same space for very long without one or the other shifting to some degree. Society shapes the population in directions not always intended. Look what it's done to us, for example. Think inner-city life.
Sorry for my negativity creeping in again. I agree with you, in part, there is much we can learn from those simple folks. I just can't shake the feelings of concern that they would also learn much in the process from us. Not good us doing that to them. Intentional or otherwise.
My continuing thoughts.
I Might Be Wrong But I Don't Think Amish Like Mixing W/Outsiders
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Isn't that what basically sits them apart from the rest of the folks running around in red automobile convertibles and using up all that electricity and going to church services only on Sunday mornings and using all that facial make up (ladies) and wearing short trousers and sandals and television and politics and taxes and the military and wars and and and, etc., etc.
I have the understanding that the Amish live among us by not being among us -- a choice they make for all the reasons that are slowly starting to make sense to those among us that can see the writing on the wall. But I believe Amish are the strictest religious group and that calling oneself Amish isn't the same as truly being Amish. Sure there would be things to learn -- mostly 'unlearn' would be a better understanding I believe. But what makes any of you think (??) they'd be so willing to accept you in as a student? I don't think they'd trust us so easily -- and I am beginning to slowly understand the why of that.
Some of my negativity to share with those that will listen. And a quote from one of the greats:
Education consists mainly of what we have unlearned.
-- Mark Twain
I Might Be Wrong But I Don't Think Amish Like Mixing W/Outsiders
A while back I lived in P.A. outside Philly.
My Father in-law loves to use old tools, prides himself on not using a power tool for anything. A real Vermonter that prides himself as a pioneer.
He was so excited for an opportunity to visit and chat with the Amish while in PA.
Didn't happen, he came home completely de-flated.
They wanted nothing to do with him.
I always enjoy your posts
I always enjoy your posts Jerry, Negative or not. :)
Having Lived by them my whole life...They are truely nice people. I have heard of people living with them. They are often very willing to help. I remember in Elementary School My teacher went and did a video about their way of life with their permission. Inside their home and all. Though they do not like you to take pictures of them (steal soul perhaps?haha) Im sure they would be willing to teach some people. I would try to convert if it werent for their religion(can you even convert?) On an interesting side note if heard of them bringing in outsides for breeding...helps freshin up the gene pool.(i have no idea as to the truth of this...)
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If I were to have a house built I would make it an Amish style new home, meaning it would be a near off-grid unit with the Amish stove. With this stove you can heat the house, heat your water, cook your meals, do your laundry etc. The only difference I would make is the house would be strung for electric that I would get from a wind generator, they pay for themselves quickly and best of all the power company has to buy back the excess electricity!
All I know about Amish is
All I know about Amish is they can play hell of a basketball game. They can sure drink beer, they could drink lots of people under the table. And the women like to change clothes(wear trendy stuff) and hang out at the bars. I live amongst the amish, on the Ohio Indiana border, my fiances family has a huge get together during the harvest every year and our Amish friends come over and party. They love television. lol....
They are some good people. They work very hard and play even harder. I love country life!
Hey!
Okay...i'm going to post this as a thread because it's just a really cool site...and most of us are scrambling to figure out how we might survive this crash..
Just google survival acres and you can get just about anything you need for long term survival..
I'm betting you coulda guessed this but..
I LOVE the Amish people! Were it not for our religious differences I'd be one if I could. Their embrace of self-reliance is awe inspiring either way though. I've often mused that there needs to be a 'punk rock' or 'alternative' version of the Amish way of living. :P
Menonites are like the amish
Menonites are like the amish but they use electricity and stuff...probably not what your looking for.
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Well here I am on the intarwebs
so I am not quite onboard with the no electrics part as you can see. :)
Thanks for the reading idea too!
The Amish are big believers in...
limited government. Separation of Church and State is a major tenant of the anti-baptist aka Amish, Mennonite. The early Amish settlers fled Switzerland and came to the New World in the early 1700's because of state sponsored terrorism. The Catholic "Church" aka government of the time was crusading (raping, murdering, taking of lands) against the anti-baptist because they were independent of the church of Rome.
It's no coincident that the Jesuits and the leaders of the Catholic Church in the city state of Vatican City are part of the New World Order.
By the way I do not think all Catholics are bad or evil it is the hierarchy and politicians in this "religious" state of the Vatican City who are evil. Before anyone tries to falsely label me anti this or anti that it was my family who suffered attempted genocide by the Catholic Church only 250 years ago. Had the Catholic leaders had their way I would not be alive to write this post!