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Posted October 24th, 2007 by technoguyrob
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Some people had idealogical problems with the Nov 5th/Guy Fawkes association. Well, let's show us Paulies are patriots, too! If you can afford $100 for both days (or know people in the military or past military to whom you could spread this to), participate in the following effort.
Remember our veterans and our troops! Show the media that we support the armed forces' support for Ron Paul! Ten thousand patriots, one million dollars, one man, one message, one nation. :-)
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Can we plz focus on 1 bomb...
utCan we plz focus on 1 bomb at a time? My worry is that the effect will be diluted if ppl spread their $ over several days vs. 1 big day...
Or, given that 1K new subsribers per day sign up on www.thisnovember5th.com, at least set the next bomb further back so more ppl can know about it, eh?
But I agree, Nov. 11 is an excellent date. If only someone thought of this earlier...
revolution remember
revolutionaries want change .....they dont care what the world thinks...do you actually think the msm would go out of the way to say the ron paul supporters did a great job not donating on the 5th and changed to the 11th......please....the dr paul doesnt care for what the msm thinks or else he would have left a long time ago...and if the ideological aspect is so great that it is killing you then take it as an antiestablishment day.....now go subscribe and donate....tell america we want change......
Everyone see this?
After seeing this video any qualms I had about the 5th are gone. Dr. Paul is looking to this day, let's blow away the expectations!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
On other site...
It's one of the featured videos on www.thisnovember5th.com....
I have a respectful comment to make.
Now that there are at least 15000 people planning on donating on Nov. 5th there is little to no chance of stopping this day from being a massive money bomb worth the media's notice. That was the idea, after all. At this point the only thing that could be done to distance the campaign from the V movie has been done: all references have been removed from the 5th's site. One cannot do anything else to stop the media from making a fuss over this. What one CAN do is contribute to the POSITIVE side of the media coverage. They will cover the negative with or without us. Even if only $1000 was contributed, I'd wager a fair sum that they'd make a fuss anyway.
The way I see it, no more harm can be done by donating on the 5th, only good. If you cannot bring yourself to do so because of personal objections to what you perceive the symbolism of the event to be I can't tell you any differently. IF, however, you are objecting because you believe this will bring negative press, then I urge you to consider my argument and donate anyway. We can outweigh the bad with the good here!
The November 11 "Veterans
The November 11 "Veterans Day" theme is a fantastic idea! (Though I appreciate the symbolism in the Nov. 5 date too)
Who could fail to support a day like that, commemorating heroes, including present day hero Dr. Ron Paul (who is also veteran, remember). :-)
And it wouldn't be lost on our military overseas either.
For those of you who are
For those of you who are hesitant to donate this November 5th for whatever reason - I give you this reason. One year from November 5th you will be celebrating the results & victory of Dr. Paul in the election on November 4, 2008!!! Sounds like a logical day to donate to me! : - )
November 4th, 2008 my wedding anniversary!
November 4th, 2008, election day, will the 24th anniversary of my wedding day. For that to be the day Ron Paul is elected president will be an extraordinarily heartwarming thing for me personally. I'm sure it will feel the same for my ex.
Followup
I've been asked by my wife to explain that was a joke. I was only kidding, okay? (Okay, honey, now put down the knife). You think she'd be pleased that I remember the date of our anniversary.
It just occurred to me that I only have 3 days to buy her a present and pick out a restaurant: apparently, 11/4/07 is also our anniversary (how can we have two of them?).
Election Day
That was hilarious ~ so Venus and Mars! Happy Anniversary, ant. I will think of you and your wife next year on Election Day, as I cast my vote for Ron Paul. It will be a great day for a hearty chuckle!
Thanks for the good wishes
My wife tells everybody that a day doesn't go by when I don't make her laugh. But enough about our sex life. If you are thinking of me and my wife next election day, I'll be really impressed.
Personally, we'll both be thinking about the positive direction in which America has turned. And that will be true on election day regardless of the outcome. The trend is unstoppable, even if the date of success is in doubt: the college students Paul is inspiring will never forget about libertarian ideas, and we will have more and more candidates run at all levels on these ideals as a result of Dr. Paul (and all that went on before this year to place all the wood in the pile for him to ignite). As a libertarian, I've labored for an obscure and seemingly hopeless principle for nearly 30 years, and I still pinch myself from time to time these days.
"anti-Catholic"? Guy Fawkes,
"anti-Catholic"? Guy Fawkes, the man whose symbolism (but NOT ideology) the V character drew on so strongly was Catholic, and the Gunpowder Plot was an attempt to end oppression of Catholics in England (albeit to replace it with oppression of Protestants). Maybe you're confused about the perverted religion portrayed in the movie- which was Anglicanism, not Catholicism. The Church of England. Besides, portraying hypocritical and dishonest religious figures is not "anti-religion" any more than portraying hypocritical and dishonest politicians is "anti-politics".
As for the violence, keep in mind that it's just a movie. It's not "advocating" violence, and the violence portrayed in the movie was all justified (though in the comics V was much more morally ambiguous and wantonly violent). Using the symbolism of V's justified violence to promote a non-violent revolution is no different from using the symbolism of the justified violence of the American Revolution to do the same, except that V for Vendetta was obviously fictional.
V for Vendetta was a very popular and well-received movie. I don't think there's any serious threat of people misunderstanding the symbolism of November 5, particularly here in the US where a lot more people know about V than they do the real Guy Fawkes.
I will donate both days 100
How about that. Appease the 5th and 11th groups.
I can really care less
This is about the power we have when working together for our freedom against tyranny.
Don't Discount Objections to Nov 5th
Let me start by saying I support thisnovember5th.com. I think it's a great idea and a creative testimony to the brilliant Americans supporting Ron Paul. I've seen V, and I understand its significance in relation to Guy Fawkes, George Bush, Ron Paul, and even Neo (Wachowsky bros are awesome). I am on the list and will donate $200.
Having said that I can also understand the hesitance of some supporters to embrace the Nov. 5th concept. Considering that Dr. Paul's campaign has moved into the "violent opposition" phase Ghandi spoke of, we should anticipate the negative spin that will be attached to news of the Nov. 5th fundraiser.
Yes, those that have seen V will "get it" and love it and that's great. However, those that have NOT seen the movie will have to rely on the MSM to "explain" what the movie V, Nov. 5th, and Ron Paul all have in common. Can you not see how simply this can be used against Dr. Paul? Can't you see FOX News splicing shots of masked people marching against police? Government buildings being destroyed? It's too easy.
The MSM is not "biased", it is controlled wholly and completely. They are the most skilled propagandists the world has ever seen. If Goebbels had Hannity and Colmes we'd all be speaking German right now. However, once you understand the game they're playing it is easier to steal their playbook and frankly the Veteran's Day Money bomb is a more effective counter to their dirty tricks. Think about it, which will be harder for them to spin negatively?
Propaganda 101 states that in order to make people believe a lie it has to be reduced to a simple soundbite and then repeated over and over. What's interesting about FOX News is that it's SOO extreme it is easier to discern what the MSM wants you to think and believe. For example, the last debate clearly showed us two things.
First, Giuliani is the candidate the establishment wants to run for president. Secondly, Ron Paul and his supporters will be labeled "insane" and "fringe" and "conspiracy nuts". They will try to link his campaign to Neo-Natzis, Truthers, and any other anti-government group they can think of. Therefore, we shouldn't give them any ammunition by glorifying a pop culture terrorist.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of V, Nov. 5th, or their message. It's how the MSM will use it against us that causes me concern.
Anti-Catholic?
V is not about Catholicism at all. There is some reference to religion in it but its just this overall general concept there. As far as Guy Fawkes being anti-catholic, its totally the opposite. He was Catholic, and was doing something against those oppressing Catholics.
Basically the movie is about casting off the bonds of an oppressive government. The only people who kill anyone are the government, and V. And V isn't so much a person as an idea, if you've seen the movie that is. V is only a symbol for the idea of freedom.
So does the movie in the end even represent violence? Not really, because if you listen to what V says, he tells you its about ideas and symbols. It turns out its a battle of ideas and symbols that represent ideas, made into a movie form. One set of ideas destroys another. And really that is what the Ron Paul movement is, ideas fighting ideas. V is just a symbol.
Now those who are unwilling or incapable of examining the philosophical meaning of movies, are going to see it as some action movie with a bunch of shooting and explosions. But then they are probably forgetting its a Wachowski movie which means none of it can be taken literally anyway.
Whatever...
Donate on the 5th or the 11th or whenever as long as we get people to do it!
I think that between the second money bomb, 5th and 11th of Nov, the campaign will rake in like 2.5 million!!!
The Problem with the 5th
Is that certain not so reputable organizations have latched on to it, and some Anti-Paul Media will say that all the money raised on the 5th come from these organizations.
I liked the V for vendetta movie, and intended to donate on Nov 5. Now I am considering Nov 11, for the above reason.
question for ironman77
I'm just curious. Which not so reputable organizations are you referring to?
Well... as long as monies
Well... as long as monies being donated. lol :p
Some people had idealogical problems with...
I am struggling to come to grips with this. Seriously, What the ----.
Have these people actually SEEN the movie? Which is more to the point I think, as for the reason, of this being replicated - than the historic day. Those who are pretty much ignorant imo, research the day - see the historical context about trying to blow up parliament... So they THEN go wet their pants. Totally missing the symbology etc. My opinion, screw you guys - and go ahead with it.
“Transcend political correctness and strive for human righteousness.”
~ Anthony J. D'Angelo.
Do we not have a reason to be righteous?
I'm not a fan of the masks etc, of Guy Fawkes etc everywhere. Say at Halloween, as this issue is tied into it a bit. Would prefer RP gear, sure. But like he said, "Have Fun with it!". If anyone can offer some alternate perspectives, I'd love to hear them. I am always open to persuasion. But if you have NOT seen the movie, your opinion remains invalid on this topic, until you do.
Just my 2 cents....
Well, I saw the movie V just recently....and to be honest...I was directed towards it during a political discussion. The person I was talking to knew that I was a Ron Paul supporter and said I would like it. Which I did.
I think that certain Hollywood directors ect... are trying to tell us something without having to come right out and say it....
The Matrix
V
The Departed
Solent Green (ok, so that one is really old...but hey, maybe it was way ahead of its time)
But my comment here goes to the movie V....as for the movie itself...NO...it doesn't support what Dr. Paul supports..BUT..it does show where we will be WITHOUT him.
And as a Catholic girl who has made all her sacraments (save for the last rites) I don't think the movie is linked to any religion...it just so happens that V wants to remember Fawkes...you could substitute that with any anti government martyr you'd like...and as for the violence...well, it's hard to escape anything today without some violence in it.
What I'm more amazed at is that in all my years of CCD I've never heard of Fawkes before now. You would think someone that devoted to his faith would be talked about...and don't say it's cause he was violent....lots of supporters of our Lord were forced to kill. Moses, David, Samson...just off the top of my head. And I'm NOT slamming them either. They had to do what they had to do....
I respect everyone's views on this...especially MrGoldMongoose =) You've been here longer than me and have provided much to this place....
I just wanted to hit it from another Catholic view....
November 5th
The reason why the idea of November 5th came about was not originally intended to be a focus on Guy Fawkes or V for Vendetta. It was more a reason to get public awareness so we could all unite as one entity and donate on one particular day. If I were to say to anyone of you lets donate on Nov 1st for Ron Paul would you? It would probably cross your mind but lets face the facts there is no meaning behind that day.
The November 5th idea of V for Vendetta is this, for those who have not seen it. There is a repressive military type government like the Nazis that manipulate their people through television. The main character V inspires people by using the day the 5th of November much like were doing for Ron Paul. It's not about the man, a man can be forgotten and die. Ahh but the message it can live on for 1000's of years.
If anyone is interested in seeing a new version of the video I made please see the link below. This covers the November 5th idea with out any conspiracy behind it. Share this version with your friends and family if your against the original version that was created. I want to thank Trevor Lyman for creating the website and taking this thing to the next level. It was only a good idea when this started. He saw the potential immediately added the Digg site to the website and numerous other things.
I believe this will be the largest grass roots effort in the history of America. Be proud on November 5th this is our day to break through to the MSM and show the American people why we support Ron Paul!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Regards,
Faithful Ron Paul supporter
James Sugra (jamsie567)
Don't be distracted
There will always be those who will stomp on the creativity of others. Ignore it it, and move on.
COUNT ME IN
Count me in for both dates!
Count me in for both dates!
Count me in for both dates!
And don't forget to spread the word and get Your video cameras ready.... for the Ron Paul You Tube video contest..... just search "Treg" on You Tube and look for "Ron Paul video Contest$$$" to get video contest info...
and I can't wait to see cute little holloweeners all dressed up.... and adult ones too.... spread the word for Ron Paul, make your videos funny, clever, cute, short or long.... have fun guys, its the revolution!
Are you in? Treg
Use Ebay for the 11-5 (and 11-11) fundraisers
Sell unwanted items on ebay, raise the capitol, let's give the campaign at least 10 million from these media attracting days. Do it, sell stuff on ebay for Ron on 11-5 and 11-11.
Remember, Remember
The Fifth of Novmber. I like both days and will participate on the Fifth and the Eleventh. $100 for your freedom and mine is PRICELESS !!!!
Guy Fawkes, for those who are bothered by the date in relation to this man, don't be !! The Presidential Election will be held on Nov. 4th '08. So, think of the FIFTH as an early celebration donation.
Could you imagine $1,000,000 in one day, Incredible !!!!!!
I'm rooting for $5 million
I'm rooting for $5 million in one day. Let's really turn some heads at the MSNBC debate in Iowa.
Heads a Turning !!!
I didn't know Certifiably Crazy people can organize this well, but
$5 million would make the good doctor a Crazy Rich Man in one day. Then we would have to double the $5 million on The Eleventh. CRAZY !!!
Sounds Crazy
Lets do it!
8,000 people signed up so far for November 5th
So I think Nov 11th is a good idea, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater and let's also keep supporting Nov 5th. This would be 800,000 dollars with 8,000 people alrady, and at the current subscription rate, we should be up to 20,000 people and 2 mil by Nov 5th, plus a number of others who haven't registered as well.
So please let's not undo the good work that has been done.
We don't have to emphasize the Guy Fawkes aspect of Nov 5th. For those who are troubled by it, choose one of the lines below:
http://www.juntosociety.c...
This day in History
Timeline
November 5th
On this day,
1492 Christopher Columbus learns of maize (corn) from the Indians of Cuba
1781 John Hanson elected 1st "President of the US in Congress assembled"
1872 Susan B Anthony fined $100 for trying to vote for Ulysses S Grant
1875 Susan B Anthony arrested for attempting to vote
1895 1st US patent granted for auto (George B Selden)
1912 Woodrow Wilson (D) beats Theodore Roosevelt (Prog) & President Taft (R)
1917 Gen Pershing & US troops see action on Western Front for 1st time
1917 Supreme Court decision (Buchanan v Warley) strikes down Lousiville KY ordinance requiring blacks & whites to live in separate areas
1935 Parker Brothers launches game of Monopoly
1940 President FDR (D) wins unprecedented 3rd term beating Wendell Willkie (R)
1946 John F Kennedy (D-MA) elected to House of Representatives
1968 Nixon (R) beats VP Humphrey (D) & George C Wallace for Presidency
1973 BART starts San Francisco-Daly City train shuttle service
1987 Iceberg twice the size of Rhode Island sighted in Antarctic
1987 Supreme Court nominee Douglas H Ginsburg admitted using marijuana
1988 Cornell confirms grad student source of worst computer sabotage
Births
1818 Benjamin F Butler Union general/presidential candidate (anti-monopoly)
1855 Eugene V Debs labor organizer, Socialist presidential candidate
1911 Roy Rogers Cincinnati Ohio, cowboy (Happy Trails, Roy Rogers Show)
1942 Art Garfunkel NYC, singer/actor (Sounds of Silence, Carnal Knowledge)
Deaths
1977 Guy Lombardo orchestra leader (Auld Lang Syne), dies in Houston at 75
1979 Al Capp cartoonist (Lil' Abner), dies at 70
1989 Barry Sadler singer (Green Berets), dies at 49 in Murfreesboro Tn
1991 Fred MacMurray actor (My Three Sons), dies at 84
1935 Parker Brothers launches game of Monopoly
Love the monopoly one...so many implications here.
Great Idea!
Veterans day is the best day to have a huge fundraising effort. I am glad people are organizing this.
Also, there's really no
Also, there's really no worry about it undermining the 5th or vice versa? Know why?
Because me and the organizer of the 5th fundraiser have agreed to e-mail each others' subscribers to remind them to donate! :-D
So, really, you're signing up for both when you sign up for either. ;-)
Iowa debate on Nov. 6
Please consider supporting the November 5th donation bump!
November 5th is the day before the MSNBC debate in Iowa. I want Dr. Paul to wake up on the 6th, check the numbers, and then go on national TV and tell everyone "Yesterday, I raised $2 million. I am here to WIN. I can beat (insert your favorite neo-con here)."
And then I want to see Chris Matthews' head asplode.
(I don't know or care about the whole "Guy Fawkes" thing.)
Debate rescheduled
Sorry. You can ignore my comment because the MSNBC debate will not be held on Nov. 6.
http://www.uni.edu/debate...
Sung by children to celebrate Fawkes FAILURE!!
This was sung by the local children who were GLAD that Fawkes was caught and killed for TREASON....
Fawkes was a Catholic fighting a King who promised he would help Catholics then didn't.
Guy Fawkes day is to remember his FAILURE...which is all the more reason to support it for Dr. Paul...to show he will not fail...that we will fight parliament (ok, our governemt) and hold them to their promises of looking after the people of the United States....not letting them off the hook of their promises.
With all do respect
WITH ALL DO RESPECT. Since when did the Catholics follow the bible? Where in the bible does it mention raising up Mary and a Pope? This is a Revolution here. Im sure a lot of people will not like what im saying but boo hoo. Besides John Paul was a mason brotha. Wake up or Waco!
Interesting discussion
just curious...what state do you live in, MrGoldMongoose? oh, and what do you do for a living?
Hi Theodosi, I would have
Hi Theodosi,
I would have wrote you directly but you don't have contact info entered in on your profile.
I was just thinking of someone I met awhile back that you remind me of and would probably get along with very well. Anyway, it was sort of a stupid thought. I'm an aspiring screenwriter and because I live in Los Angeles I tend to think everyone is interested in making movies even though I know that is not the case. I used to be a hard-core Christian and I'm not anymore but along the way I met this wonderful Catholic woman who is a screenwriter. She used to be a nun before she felt God calling her to Hollywood. Anyway she spoke at a Christian writer's conference I went to which means Protestant and I was amazed at the knowledge of Scriptures and history she has. My church was very Theology and intellectually driven. I studied a lot of Theologians and Church history myself and was sort of taught that Catholics were mislead and didn't really know very much. Like they weren't rooted in the knowledge of the Bible and weren't devout like we were. Anyway, this women shook up my perceptions because she was very knowledgeable like yourself and knew "our' teachings very well but came to a different conclusion (NOT what I was taught about Catholics). Anyway, not knowing how old you are or where your career interests lie I didn't know if it was worth mentioning. I understand why you were upset there are certain perceptions in the evangelical community about Catholics and it's sort of like the media and politics if you get my drift.
Hope you get a chance to read this.
HELP!
My comments are being squiiiiiiiiiiiished to the side of this frame!!!!!!
Hi MrGoldMongoose...
I have seen the movie and also did my own research on the 5th of November implications and there is a very strong Catholic connection. I don't understand the connection you are making though. What happened was the Catholics were being oppressed by the King of England. A group led by Robert Catesby (of which Guy Fawkes later became a part of) decided that violent measures were needed and plotted to blow up the parliament with barrels of gunpowder. There was an information leak and conspirators were caught and executed. The Bonfire night is a celebration of the plot being thwarted although some view it as an honoring of their attempts to do away with government. The bigger concern for me at least is a connection to violence but THIS movement is characterized by a non-violent stand by the US citizens against the government which echos the civil rights movement led by Martin Luther King. People being oppressed and loudly but civilly protesting. The connection seems to be more about standing up to government abuses of power in my understanding.
Fellow supporter...
I sense anger...but this is not really being done to attack Catholics or anyone else. It is being done as a freedom movement. Don't read so much into it...it is not personal. Take for example Halloween...does Halloween truly represent what it used to...I think not. Nobody is out to get anyone else...we are just setting up events with themes...we are not supporting Catholic destruction :P. Now neocon destruction...muwahahaha...yes :D
Watch the movie!
You have absolutely what the purpose of them choosing the 5th is about. This has LESS to do with Guy Fawkes, and more to do with a message. A message of fighting tyranny and fear.
Watch the movie and you will understand what this is all about.
The V for Vendetta movie does NOT cover the Catholic aspect
The V for Vendetta movie does NOT cover the Catholic aspect of the Guy Fawkes day or the original incident (it DOES show a "flashback" of the gunpowder plot, but it really makes no mention or association to the religious conflict of the time).
And I would be fairly certain that of the 50% of the public that IS familiar with the movie 99% of them have NO IDEA who Guy Fawkes was; and even fewer understand the "Catholic-connection" (though one could say it was more Anti-Church-Of-England than specifically Catholic, as other religious groups were being persecuted during the same time).
And the other 50% of the public (who do NOT know the V movie) -- well probably 99.9% of them also have NO IDEA who Guy Fawkes was.
And even in Britain, where they know and celebrate "Guy Fawkes day" or "Bonfire & Fireworks Night" -- it doesn't really have the "anti-Catholic" element anymore. (Hint, JK Rowling named Dumbledore's pet phoenix "Fawkes" any most "younguns" -- British OR American -- know more about THAT than about "penny for the guy.")
Thank you MrGoldMongoose
The V movie has very little to due with religion, and the one part that does shine bad light on the church is FAR less than anything that has been read in major news outlets.
The movie is more than a "vandetta." It is about living in fear in under tyranical control.
It [the plot] takes place in the future so it's like a modern day 1984.
I liked the movie. I like dropping a money bomb on Ron Paul even more.
Thanks again!
Paraphrasing from the movie:
The money is a symbol. As is the act of donating it.
Symbols are given power by people.
Alone, symbols are meaningless.
But with enough people, donating money can change the world.
I can understand your
I can understand your frustration, MrGoldMongoose, for as I read this thread, I am dismayed to see Ron Paul supporters criticizing one of their own because of a conflicting religious belief. I'm not a Catholic, but I say shame on you guys! Do not make MrGoldMongoose defend his religious beliefs here, folks, come on. HE'S ONE OF US and deserves to be treated as such. Religious debates belong in another venue than this. He is a RON PAUL SUPPORTER who gives from his own hard-earned money to work toward the same goal as the rest of us. EYE ON THE PRIZE, guys, EYE ON THE PRIZE! I am ashamed to come here this morning and see MrGoldMongoose's religious beliefs called into question by anybody here. What are you guys thinkin'?
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