
Corporate Personhood
Submitted by none on Fri, 03/14/2008 - 11:45
I have a few quick questions to ask and some information to share with you.
Are you aware of corporate personhood? Do you know what it does? Do you know who lobbied for it and why? And more importantly, what would you like to see done about it?
Here's some reading material on the subject
Corporate Personhood & How it Cripples US Democracy
http://aei.freebob.com/Corporate%20Personhood.htm
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate
And there's plenty more out there. Just run an internet search on corporate personhood.
Thanks for your thoughts















It amazes me...
...really, how little this is brought up in Libertarian circles, and how many people think that a legal (AKA government-defined) entity such as a corporation can have anything to do with a free market. The modern corporations become natural monopolies, the largest always capable of crushing smaller competition, either with underpricing, repeated frivolous lawsuits, or government partnerships imposing regulations that a business without considerable capital already in place cannot comply with.
In a truly free market system, where it was recognized that only living humans have rights, all businesses with multiple owners would actually be contract-bound cooperatives, with all assets owned by individual people and all employess employed by individual people. Any lawsuit against the company would be directly against the contract-bound owners.
Imagine that
Actual individual people being held accountable for their individual actions. It would make businesses a bit less likely to behave the way they do, don't you think?
The answer
You declare your own independence. Watch how your name is layed out in front of you. If it's all in CAPS. you are a United States citizen (notice the lower case "c") But if it's your birth name John Doe Then you are a Citizen of the United States and are not subjected to the "jurisdiction thereof" and owe no allegiance to the U.S. government, they owe their allegiance to YOU!
interesting stuff
another link with some history...maybe, after all its the internet.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030919.html
What to do about it? Man, thats a tough one. Its so imbedded in our capitalist culture and legal system.
Have you read through...
...this post http://www.dailypaul.com/node/42589 yet about the 14th Amendment?
The more I read about this, the more it seems like it is the mechanism the root of the evil we face has used to subvert our will.
Dude...
that is one long post. Out of respect for a fellow Paulian, I will grab an ale this evening and tackle it. My initial intuition on this issue is that sometimes we should be doing more pruning than chopping in the political forest, at least until we have an axe.
But I totally agree, understanding the development of things we take for granted is a very worthwhile endeavor. Thanks.
Evolution
Big predators breed more defenses. As government grows, so do corporations, but it goes back to the growth of voters' powers.
Voters decide they don't want to be taxpayers, so they vote to tax business, business lobbies congress and gets protection, corporations thrive compared to regular companies and get bigger, voters try to tax them more, they lobby Congress more, government gets bigger as we keep asking them to do it, and the corporations keep getting bigger, in part, because they have to have a legal department to deal with government regulation, and a government affairs department to try and influence it, and the ones who don't have that fail or get bought out.
Phew! This is why when you fight for your own rights, you must fight for the rights of others as well. You can't just vote to make others pay. It has unintended consquences.
Ecosystems exist in few places that don't have big predators. In those places, the rest of the population needs few defences.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
He's referring to the fact
Fortune Favors the Bold
that corporations are granted official legal rights by the government, as if they were individual citizens
Fortune Favors the Bold
They have the same rights of individuals, and then some.
If corporations are "individuals" then why can't we arrest them? Why aren't they flagged by their banks when they transfer too much money? If they can receive vast sums of money from the government when times are tough, why can't we? I could use a few thousand right about now.
Blessings )o(
Exactly the point I was making
And wish to discuss.
get rid of it
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that would be a real free market. Alot of my left wing friends always say, but if you had a free market, the corporations would just become the government!
The thing is... they already are.
Fortune Favors the Bold
Yes, big business and interests own the government
And I'm beginning to see how.
One more thing to add to the list of required education people.
Bingo!
Under the cover of free market mythology.