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John McCain to Debate Ron Paul...: could it be?

Here's what I found....

http://www.nowpublic.com/...

I guess more info is yet to come

In Christ,
Dave

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Maybe this is a paradigm shift for alot of you

It doesn't matter whether John McCain actually debates Ron Paul or not. If Ron Paul's campaign would throw down the gauntlet, slap the John McCain Campaign in the face and demand a duel as the only candidate left fighting what would the John McCain Campaign do?

Ignore us,of course. What if Ron Paul did this on George Noory's Coast to Coast with 15 Million listeners? What if Ron Paul mentioned this every time he was on with the media (like he has been all over the TV because our economy is imploding). Ron Paul's Campaign needs to grow some backbone and thrust this in the face of John McCain and the old media.

This is his chance to out the liars, let the American people decide and get his message out before the DELEGATES nominate our president.

agreed

The Doc of 1988 would have done exactly that. Today, he has a different plan.

I agree

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the source

The source does not appear to be reliable at all. McCain has NOTHING to gain by agreeing to debate the Doc, so it will not happen.

We Will Get the Delegates

God will wipe McCain supporters from the book of life.

"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."

Khan

Here's how we could make it happen ...

Make an ad like this one ... http://www.youtube.com/wa.... Next, advertise a money bomb to fund the ad, then run it in PA or whatever state primary is coming up next. If McCain still refuses to debate, just keep running the ad. Wellstone, a political nobody at the time, used this ad to unseat a several term Republican for US Senate in Minnesota in 1990.

By the way, Ron Paul Republican candidates for Congress could also use this ad to get their Democrat incumbent to debate.

I take my marching orders from the Constitution!

Nice idea!

Thanks for posting the Paul Wellstone video. It is a shame he was murdered. http://www.youtube.com/wa...

They murdered John F. Kennedy Jr in the same way. http://www.youtube.com/wa...

“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul

Just finished watching video - very interesting

It's unfortunate that Fetzer is so partisan in his rhetoric, though. I think he loses a lot of creditability because of it. I mean, when he says that these insideous electronic voting machines are controlled by the GOP and the poor victim Democrats are helpless to do anything about it - come on ... give me a break. But as for the prospect that Wellstone was murdered, I don't have a hard time believing that.

I take my marching orders from the Constitution!

Not all the way thru your Wellstone video link yet, BUT

While I realize this is not the thread for the topic of Coast to Coast, LISTEN AT AROUND THE 7: 00 MARK...

Person on video says something about having only written one column on the death of Wellstone and was picked up by Coast to Coast and mentions the audience of (at the time) ten million and goes on to say "..I was on Coast to Coast. That meant a lot of people heard about it..."

Hmm.. maybe it could make a difference for RP if he accepted the invitation...

So a bunch of people on daily paul

Have given up. No matter what SGP posts, no matter what successes the delegates tell us happens during their conventions people who are probably not precinct leaders or delegates seem fit to tell the rest of us how showing some show of strength will play out. These people want us to lay down, play dead, not fight. Thank you all for bumping this post about the possibility of debating the only candidate left against Dr. Paul.

We who are still fighting for the delegates, still preparing for a delegate revolt and still believe in Dr. Paul's message want this fight. We need this fight because we are the remnant. The only ones left who still believe that right conquers might, that no matter what the TV tells you heroes are real and give hope to those of us who aren't running for president.

So give up you sunshine patriots. For the rest of us we'll fight for Dr. Paul and other candidates (and delegates ) who have the right ideas for America. No one has a crystal ball, we are fighting the biggest establishment in the world, but in order to win you must fight.

doesn't

Doesn't matter what we think..there isn't a snow balls chance in hell of McCain debating us

Nystrom

Fortune Favors the Bold

please just ban this joker already

give up, don't fight, lay down

Why do you write in anything if its always defeatist? Do you have any constructive criticism (like how should we fight for Dr. Paul)? Here's a tip for all you trolls-throw in something positive once in a while to throw the rest of us off your scent. Right now you reek of troll.

Reeks of Noelle

Same M O.

O8

O8 is over...what I have suggested is planning for the future because if we don't there won't be one....what I post is not negative, it is realistic..I have already suggested the campaign picks J.C.Watts and grooms him for 2012..

O8 Is Basically Over -- Agreed. But Then So Is Any Future

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If RON PAUL is not elected (and the chances are a 1000 to 1) this country of ours is over. Thinking next election as if that will be any less corrupted is not yet awake to the truth in all of this.

These guys are gangsters and thugs and poor losers and dead-set on maintaining control. The longer they have that control, the weaker any resistance against them becomes. Think losing even more Constitutional Rights; think torture as acceptable behavior; think 9/11 was an inside job and no impeachment proceedings; think unjust war that we in this country started and continue to wish to expand -- and just 'maybe' the light switch will flip to ON.

My comments are not meant for us to just GIVE UP. Hell NO -- We need to fight but fight a realistic battle (the real battle) and not allow these truly bad folks to continue their lies and hold upon us.

Yeah, another give up post

We got the whole summer. Where will you be? supporting your no name candidate? I got an idea-become a precinct leader, tell people about your delegates, then post on these forums about how your delegates revolted like so many other people have posted here. Spend less time telling the campaign what to do, take their message to your streets.

The

the Ron Paul meetup group of 150 people in my area has been dissolved

I smell a troll!

Changed your name, have you?

why does this azzhole keep

why does this azzhole keep posting. i have a plan one voice, come to my house and let's talk

no answer, voice?

no answer, voice?

What

What do you want to talk about sonny ??

first off, i am not sonny. i

first off, i am not sonny. i am just sick of your garbage. I am a middle aged woman, 5'3" and 108 lbs and I would like to knock the snot out of you. Go play with your toys in the basement if you aren't here to support Ron Paul.
"footnote... I really would like to slap the sh** out of you but do not think I have enough time to do that!)

Well then we got some headway

You were once part of a group of people who thought a Ron Paul presidency is a possibility. For whatever reason your group dissolved, but you might have made some contacts that you can contact again.
I suggest you contact them and find out how you can help your area. If you don't have any contacts from your meetup then I suggest calling the state coordinator (on ronpaul2008.com). Number one would be to know who are your delegates, then become a precinct leader, then man your polls with a delegate sheet and talk to people. I had to fight out of my comfort zone and talk to people about things I never imagined I would before. Now it is up to all of us to communicate Ron Paul's message to the world.

If you're in PA then we have two months to gather together. Join us March 29, 2008 in southeast PA at www.delcoforliberty.com. We're having a beef and beverage with a $15.00 cover charge and RSVP. Rep. Sam Rohrer will be speaking against Real ID. Allentown and Harrisburg made some great headway fighting this horrible act.

who are "we"?

Fortune Favors the Bold

The international banking syndicate? The FBI? Some obnoxious guy who lives in his mom's basement?

McCain was put in by no

McCain was put in by no accident. They chose someone who america doesnt like on purpose so that the Bush/Clinton/Bush/(Clinton) agenda can continue.

Even the conservatives hate McCain, isn't it obvious?

I am not too sure how Obama is part of that picture. Although Obama sounds like someone who took up a university degree on how to win the hearts of the sheeple, where "How to use buzz words and empty rhetoric effectively." was the major.

It would be cool if

this whole thing wasn't the fraud that is and you could pretent you were one of Mcinsanes supporters and tell him to debate that silly Paul guy just to shut him up once and for all ! The cocky jerk might just fall for it and wham! Paul slams him! Too bad its not his arrogant, fried little brain that would decide that sort of thing for his campaign anyway.He would be dumb enough to try to debate Paul if he was using whats left of his brain. Aaahhhh what an awesome dream this is...... Oh! its all over he just had an anurism. That took about 10 seconds. poor guy.

You're Partly Got It

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MCCAIN (GWB's alleged pick -- Let's not forget the real battle that ensued between these two earlier) while I actually believe HBILLARY to be the real pick, the real choice. Not mine, theirs.

MCCAIN was obviously promised a chance at the Presidency earlier, that's why he caved and supported GWB as strongly as he has -- He's an idiot that actually thinks he has a chance in all of this. Believing that just goes to show the man ain't too bright; maybe he's standing too damn close to the flag pole to realize that even a crud like himself that there are far more evil and crudier (is that a real word?) forces at work around him.
It's obvious in this photo that the body language of 'who is screwing who' actually is (there's a very definite and deep seated thank you, thank you -- being shown in one direction):
http://dragonballyee.blog...

HBILLARY is the real choice. Daddy Bush, Bill Clinton, GWB, Hbillary -- it's like keeping it all in the family. Turning the USA into a dynasty government ran and operated by one evil bunch of thugs. If you honestly don't think so -- Pay attention to this tiny little video clip (listen to GWB at the opening of the clip, low brained dork that he is, tell us exactly as it is):
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

As to OBAMA, he has proven to be a guest candidate that refuses to go quietly off stage. On the Republican side -- all but RON PAUL has caved and acknowledged who the real choice has boiled down to be. Not to be confused with the choice of the American People (I'm an 'American People' and my choice continues to be RON PAUL), but the choice of the real power that runs (ruins) this country -- MCCAIN. In OBAMA'S case, that same power-hungry force may appear to have turned inwards on itself (the bad publicity and back-fighting we hear in the complicit media) but the reality of it is -- the powers are just flushing the toilet to narrow the field, and here in the shape of OBAMA there's a visible candidate that has attracked a bit more following and been in the light longer than the evil force would prefer at this stage of the game. If he remains much longer I would be seriously surprised. The powers need to shrink the playing field to one Democrat (HBILLARY) and one Republican (MCCAIN) just to give the illusion that there is an actual choice for the American People to make. Having three choices confuses that otherwise easy choice to manipulate. I suppose it might still be done, hell they are capable of doing nearly anything and make it come out smelling like their shit don't stink. Kinda gross me saying it like that, but you that understand -- will understand.

Only a fool can't see this for what it is -- There is no choice.

agreed

Fortune Favors the Bold

Hillary is clearly "their" preferred choice, but they'll use whatever puppet they get.

Hey There JG300 -- You FLAG Me Ol' Buddy?

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I see your follow up posting to mine (above) and suddenly the red 'Flas as offensive' bottom right of my post has been put into effect. Tell it that wasn't you doing that.

The same thing happens

Fortune Favors the Bold

to me randomly sometimes. Maybe a glitch in the system?

No

Fortune Favors the Bold

I don't flag stuff, unless it's blatanly racist

Funny -- Because That 'Red' Mark Is Gone From My Post

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Do you see it there on your screen? It's not there, not any longer. Happened right as you posted. Perhaps it's just one of those unexplained coincidences (now happening twice) -- see above.

-- No big deal, just asking.

you mean

Fortune Favors the Bold

the flag as offensive thing? everybody has that. You don't have it on your own posts. I mean, you can flag my posts, but i can't flag my own. Likewise I can flag your posts, but you can't flag your own post. probably a glitch that the flag button showed up on your own post

Okay Now STOP With The Words // It's Not A Glitch //

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No, the EDIT button is removed when the red tag notice (Flag as offensive) is sent off to Moderators.

Some idiot asshole out there is playing a stupid-ass game constantly clicking on that tiny little red "Flag as offensive" tag -- it removes the edit button doing that. It denies me access to my own post.

The same thing would happen to any of us. It's there for a reason, obviously; a report to Global Moderators that means exactly what those words indicate. What it truly does in the interim is 'lock' the damn post where no changes can be made, it doesn't lock the entire thread -- it locks the individual post; and it doesn't remove it (that's up to a Moderator's determination) but it's annoying as hell when the post is locked and no changes can be made. That's the way it is -- It requires a fellow Poster out there in forumland to click on the damn tag which sends the notice off to cyber space -- it's not a damn glitch! Nearly every posting in this thread from me has been tagged as such.

Just some idiot playing, but it's damn annoying. It should really piss off the Moderator when they get the message to constantly evaluate because it truly isn't worthy of being "flagged as offensive" // except to the jerk doing it. And the funny thing is the jerk doing it has their own name reported repeatedly to the Moderator as being the jerk doing it. Ha! Think about that who ever you are -- Jerk.

Here's a sample for you:
-- I'm removing YOUR edit button // you can no longer modify that particular post // go back and look for yourself and then see what I'm saying. I'm reporting this action [by me] as a 'TEST ONLY' to the Moderators, so don't panic.

the same thing happened to me in this forum

I tried to edit my own remark to this McCain troll, and I wasn't allowed to.
I got "Access Denied"....

http://www.dailypaul.com/...
actually, you're right....
On March 16th, 2008 aVoiceof Reason. says:
actually, you're right.... if you clean your cookies repeatedly you can keep voting and it still counts it.... that's how we won every single state we have....

what i think would be

what i think would be fantastic is to have hillary, obama and mccain on stage together for a "debate" with Ron Paul moderating!

It's Easter Bunny Time ...

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Maybe this is a paradigm shift for alot of you

It doesn't matter whether John McCain actually debates Ron Paul or not. If Ron Paul's campaign would throw down the gauntlet, slap the John McCain Campaign in the face and demand a duel as the only candidate left fighting what would the John McCain Campaign do?

Ignore us,of course. What if Ron Paul did this on George Noory's Coast to Coast with 15 Million listeners? What if Ron Paul mentioned this every time he was on with the media (like he has been all over the TV because our economy is imploding). Ron Paul's Campaign needs to grow some backbone and thrust this in the face of John McCain and the old media.

This is his chance to out the liars, let the American people decide and get his message out before the DELEGATES nominate our president.

Why would he?

What possible reason is there for McCain to debate Paul? McCain knows he would lose very badly, he knows he doesn't have to, he knows his support will stay with him no matter what. Remember, a McCain (or Hillary or Obama) follower would rather be wrong and win than be right and lose. So anyone supporting McCain, and McCain himself would see no reason of any kind to debate Paul.

Ain't No Way This Is Gonna Happen -- WAKE UP & Smell The Coffee

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Even allowing yourself to entertain such idea is absolute foolishness. In a perfect world sure there would be a debate // but this election process has proven to be far less than even close to perfect -- except for those certain choices already pre-picked pre-determined by the powers that actually run (ruin) this once wonderful country of ours. And that power has been repeatedly realized by the complicit media in facilitating those pre-picked and pre-determined choices.

Do I need to tell you (remind you) who that actually is? Well, please allow me to enlighten you in case you somehow failed to see this taking shape months ago: MCCAIN & HBILLARY. OBAMA has proven to be a thorn in the side of these completely un-American planners. RON PAUL was only tolerated because of the large following he has, but it meant little to those criminal complicit powers because their approach was to simply keep him out of the limelight as much as possible and when the camera was rolling and him speaking -- to try and discredit the extremely gentle and learned and much more highly qualified gentleman. And then there's always the suspicion (question) in honest folks, i.e., could voter fraud actually be happening; leaning in the favorable direction of those pre-picked and pre-determined candidate choices that smile and bob their idiotic heads as if they are truly America's choice to decide? Some will argue the day is long that -- 'Just because it happened before doesn't mean it's going to happen again.'

-- Yeah, right, sure -- You keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

WAKE THE F-Up and come to realize that this has been a staged event unfolding right before our unblinking eyes. The ones in control intend upon maintaining control no matter what it takes.

Hell, they might even stoop to voter fraud (ya think?) and even blatantly keep the best candidate (RON PAUL) out of sight, out of mind to the unblinking honest fools that feel our government has our best interest at heart. The only best interest in any of this -- IS THEIR'S, certainly not ours.

If ours was even a consideration THINGS would surely have been different in all of this from the very start. But it has been as it has been -- all you got to do is 'blink' every once in a while and the spell will be broken and you too will come to see the tricks for what they are. A game of presidential candidates stacked in the direction of THEIR choice. We don't pick the President -- THEY DO.

Not nice them doing that to any of us. But what do they care? They don't. And then not thinking and asking if MCCAIN will ever debate RON PAUL is like asking: 'Is the Easter Bunny real?' Or like asking: 'Is there really and truly a jolly fat man dressed in red with a fluffy white beard that brings all the good little boys and girls around the world presents on one special day each year?' Well, what do you think? Apparently some of you don't.

Maybe you don't like possibility

It is possible John McCain might say something against debating Ron Paul, however I agree it is alot more likely John McCain will say nothing about debating Ron Paul. Both possibilities work in our favor if Ron Paul fires the first shot, asking for a debate over and over and over again.

We know George Noory wants him on, and that was a grassroots effort, what is Ron Paul's campaign doing with $1000.00 a day salaries if they aren't pushing us to get Ron Paul on programs such as these? We also know Ron Paul is on the news alot for the financial collapse of America. If Ron Paul called John McCain out and challenged him everyone watching these shows would realize John McCain is running scared.

This is a possibility all of us Ron Paul supporters want to see happen.

Sure We Want It -- And Those In Hell Want Ice Water

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A debate between MCCAIN & RON PAUL would be a Clay/Frazier fight -- but it ain't gonna happen just because we want it to happen.

GWB has already announced MCCAIN as the nominee. Ain't you paying attention?

It's going to boil down to HBILLARY (the real pick of the evil corrupt dynasty that intends upon maintaining control over the USA) in a debate with MCCAIN (the fool that thinks he has a chance) and possibly OBAMA (which I would be truly surprized to see last much longer because the push is on to discredit him any which way they can).

A false picture (an illusion and that's all it is) of 2 candidates for us to pick from is much easier an American Picture (battle of 1 against 1 -- a Democrat vs. a Republican) to be placed into our minds than having it come down to 3 candiates for the real powers to manage. The 3d candiate would be OBAMA (they cut RON PAUL out of our mind of the public many weeks ago) -- and having the American People decide Democrat against Democrat against a Republican is too damn complicated and confusing for even them to properly manage. Me might somehow screw things up for them, upset their plans as to who it is they actually want us to be calling President of the United States of America.

They want HBILLARY (not us wanting, they -- the corrupt government we already have -- wants) // MCCAIN is a flunkie (the patsie) to be beat and abused -- which in a twisted way is okay because he deserves to be beat and abused. HBILLARY and only HBILLARY is their pre-determined pick. Not mine, not yours. But you're making this too real and too complicated. I think.

Maybe you have a crystal ball

But according to my records Ron Paul has never announced the need to debate John McCain. Nothing has happened yet, so why do you denounce something before it happens? No one can predict the future-even though everyone but us has agreed John McCain is the nominee does not make it factual. Has any media source gone into depth about the delegate process? No, and I doubt they will until Ron Paul declares a debate is necessary. Please educate us better than www.thegreenpapers.com or SGP.

Oh, and anyone that quotes GWB doesn't get it that MSNBC outed his administration as lying at least 935 times about the Iraq War, or that his approval rating is below 20%, or that no sensible person left in this world considers him truthful or an authority on anything besides dodging the draft. GWB is a liar and EVERYONE in AMERICA knows it. Just ask them.

JSHOWEL --

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It's hard (near impossible) for me to argue most of what you say -- I want you to understand that I agree with a majority of what you say. In fact I agree with you 100-percent that stuff you have to say about GWB -- of course the man is his own worse enemy; I stopped listening to him the moment I realized he had lied to us about Iraq and WMD and 9/11.

All those 935 lies you reminded us of -- I've made repeated references to the same in other postings here in our forum. He didn't make all of them, but he made a good number himself (at least 40 or 50 is credited to him alone) // that means the other lies came from his inner circle of thugs and gangster supporters. I doubt very much that any calculations went into the additional and supporting lies told on a daily basis by members of our Congress when they pretend to argue back and forth. But that's not my issue in commenting in this particular thread, not now it isn't.

The point I was trying to make you and others realize is this has been a one-sided deal, this election process; we love and support RON PAUL; and the fact that the thugs and gangster-supporters have all but banished RON PAUL from this election doesn't change our love and support one bit. They (the GOP and the complicit MSM) have all but decided this election regardless of our love for RON PAUL. They have done their worst (their best???) to keep RON PAUL out of sight out of mind in the public -- and their efforts have succeeded in large part. Again it doesn't change our love or our support for the man we know is the BEST DAMN CANDIDATE in this race, it doesn't change any of that for us -- but it certainly has hindered a fair race and continues to hinder a fair race (which will eventually come to end the day it is scheduled to end) as they continue to make HBILLARY and OBAMA and MCCAIN the main focus in all of the magazines, newspapers, television spots (24/7) over and over and over again.

RON PAUL's still there and he's still our pick of the BEST DAMN CANDIDATE going but for the American People at large some don't even know the name RP. And the clock continues to tick for the pre-determined pre-picked candidates and against us and our choice. In fact the complicit media would have us all believe across this land that MCCAIN has already been nominated as the champion of the Republican Party -- sure it's a lie, but so has a majority of this entire process been a lie. RON PAUL was never given a fair shake from the start, and you know that is true; and you also know that the game is rigged or it wouldn't be as it is.

Does RON PAUL stand a chance (can he still be the GOP pick to fight the Democrat winner knowing what the media forces down our throat with the televised-slap on the back of GWB congratulating and saying MCCAIN 'won' the nomination) // we know he hasn't but that's only because of the clock and the true day hasn't arrived yet. I'm not happy knowing any of this, but I have come to face reality. And the reality of this is our election process here in the USA is rigged and manipulated and tampered with. It's obvious we don't have too awfully much to say or MCCAIN wouldn't be where he is today; and neither would HBILLARY. We'd be happy as pigs in slop waving our tiny little individual flags knowing that the clock was ticking too damn SLOW because RON PAUL was to be our next President and because of that fact alone that all problems we now face would be fixed -- and we'd want him there right now.

But the reality of it is the corrupt system is winning and we are losing. We've been losing since before the day this process all started. MCCAIN was surely promised the GOP spot and HBILLARY was promised the spot of contender. You might think otherwise but you'd be wrong. Sadly you'd be wrong.

I still want RON PAUL to come out the winner here somehow. I suspect even if every last one of across this land (as a result of our combined efforts) managed to succeed in voting for RON PAUL, the election process would still report back that HBILLARY won the election. Voter fraud and complicity at every twist and turn is at work to make that happen. Now will it? Hell, I seriously hope not.

But it sure seems like in any game (like cards for instance) where there are far too many aces and the other side is holding all of them, our hand of 5, 8, 3, 9, jack // mean very little to nothing.

Understand? Damn I hope I'm wrong.

I think a majority of the posters on this forum don't get it

If John McCain publicly stops a debate between him and Paul it proves three major fallacies advertised by the old media:

1) Only John McCain is still in the Republican Presidential race

2) John McCain has clinched the nomination

3) John McCain is confident with his policies to debate Ron Paul

The truth, as many of know now, Ron Paul is still in the Presidential Race, John McCain doesn't control the majority of the delegates, and Ron Paul would mop the floor with preAlzhemers McCain.

We need to make this public to TELL THE WORLD JOHN MCCAIN CAN'T DEBATE HIS ONLY OPPONENT. JOHN MCCAIN AND ANYONE THAT BACKS HIM WILL LOOK LIKE A FOOL.

John McInsane .........

.............. will not publically stop a debate between himself and Ron Paul because, no debate is planned to happen. That being said, it would be nice to hear our Commander in Chief asked for a denate the next time he is on a major news channel. Other than that, McInsane and his campaign managers will not enter into a debate with our man.

“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul

I

I think McCain would simply say we've already had a ton of debates and I am the nominee......McCain isn't going to debate a candidate that has a 5% national following

Well, obviously not, UNLESS....

He is compelled by public opinion to do so. The Pro-McCainites will want to prove their candidate knows what he is talking about

In Christ,
Dave

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No

no they won't..he has the nomination locked and has absolutely nothing to gain..he will debate whomever the democratic nominee is to prove he knows what he is talking about