Should be required reading for everyone backing Ron Paul. I'm half way through the book and I'm scared. You can try to debunk the conspiracy that the CFR is trying to bring about a NWO but you can't debunk the fact that the Federal Reserve just dosn't work for anyone except the banks who are making the profits.
If people want to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, UFOs, or anything else -why not?
They only become a problem when they shit on other people's lawn and shout, "Durr... You don't believe that [insert favorite conspiracy here] is true? You be ignant!"
Sythetic posting above by who??? Which agency of the CFR or The government is posting on this site again??
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I believe the information from those two web sites mentioned above like I believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and a huge navy and a huge massive air force when we bombed them.
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It is too bad a lot of misinformation is put on this site.
I believe if Ron Paul read it, or became aware of it that he would choke on the misinformation that the CIA. FBI, the IRS, and other ""professional misinformation agents"" write and put on the dailypaul. I am sure his campaign staff know that we have spy's and moles trying to keep us apart. The method is called divide and conquer.
We all know MSM did not blackout (or did they?) Ron Paul speeches.
They say he just never gave any speeches to groups large enough to put in the news.
And that no one in this country knew who he is so why report on him, or the public were not interested in what he had to say, or he would have raised some money, Right?!?
They used to give the silent treatment to those that did not raises a lot of money, but now the rule must be to silence anyone that does not go along with the ..... CFR, .. (who always choose good candidates for the public to vote for on their two political party's) or support the CIA, IRS, FBI, ATF, etc, etc.
If you want to know the truth it is available.
The First National Bank of Montgomery v. Jerome Daly
"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." USA Banker's Magazine, August 25 1924
“Allow me to control the issue and the nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws!” — Amshell Rothschild
Banks that hold the controlling stock in the Federal Reserve Corporation:
Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin, Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris, Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam, Lehman Brothers Bank of New York, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.
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Now for the information you need to understand the Federal Reserve Bank. http://www.silverbearcafe...
This Web site will clear up anything you did not know about the Federal Reserve Bank. ............................ You will want to book mark this and perhaps be inspired to .......................... download it while it is available. If you study this you will be prepared to sound intelligent next time you have a chance to talk to Dr. Ron Paul. And you will have gained a wealth of knowledge and understanding.
I am just trying to clarify how it works, but your right, the effect is the same The post is called "debunking" we need to get our facts straight, or people will dismiss our arguments. That said, this whole subject is confusing, and purposefully set up in a manner that makes obfuscation and denial of the reality easy. They want to make it so that people can believe there is nothing bad going on. It's like "Oh, they don't actually own it, so i guess there's no problem."
The first article didn't have much credibility with free hosting on Geocities and a *published* spelling error (publically-appointed) by a Ph.D.(or not)!
Even young teenagers have their own domains and paid hosting-
Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury.
if the fed holds a bond, it doesn't charge interest. But there is obviously interest on the bonds they sell. When they have to buy back the bonds, they are paying out more then they sold them for.
When congress needs to borrow some money it sells a government bond, note or a treasury certificate. To sell the bond or note they notify the Bureau of Engraving that they need to sell some notes (or what ever they want to sell today) lets say it is 1 billion dollars in treasury notes. Then they tell the Federal Reserve that they are going to sell 1 billion dollars in notes and the Federal Reserve is then going to buy the notes. So they call up the bureau of engraving and say we need to buy some notes so print us 1 billion dollars in cash.
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So now the Bureau of Engraving prints 1 billion in notes and hands them to the congress and they print up 1 billion in dollars in cash and hands them to the Federal Reserve.
Now congress and the Federal Reserve each pay for the ink and paper and manpower which is nothing compared to 1 billion dollars they just created out of thin air (as Ron Paul calls it).. Then congress hands the notes to the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve hand congress the cash and
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Now congress pays interest on the bonds, notes, or treasury certificates to the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve puts them into circulation thru the investment houses on Wall Street.
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There is a lot more to it than this, but this is the easiest way for me to make it simple to explain so (I hope everyone even the spy's here can understand it) and give a clear picture as to why we have a 9 Trillion dollar debt.
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We also borrow money to pay the interest on the debt which means that the economy must collapse unless Ron Paul can implement his duel monetary policy. He will need to explain that as soon as we elect him. ""Trust him"" he does know the problem and the solution.
The solution is not to be deceived by agents of the Federal Reserve or the government agency's. The truth is that those trolls working for the CFR and agency's do not understand what is going on in politics as well as most of the people on this web site. But they do need to do their job if they want to get paid.
Since the direct buyers are often the main banks (like Chase Manhttan or JP Morgan Stanley) or sovereign wealth funds they have stakes in through complex international banking arrangements, the interest actually IS being payed to them directly.
i mean the bank owners, not the fed owners (since there are none), but the bank owners basically decide the board policies, so the FED itself is government, but it is completely managed by the bank leaders, and actually paying interest to the FED would be a good thing, but the fed pays interest to the bankers, which ultimately has to be attained through taxation or inflation.
The Creature from Jekyll Island By G E Griffon
Should be required reading for everyone backing Ron Paul. I'm half way through the book and I'm scared. You can try to debunk the conspiracy that the CFR is trying to bring about a NWO but you can't debunk the fact that the Federal Reserve just dosn't work for anyone except the banks who are making the profits.
something smells very fishy.
something smells very fishy.
?
Take a shower?
Who Cares?
If people want to believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, UFOs, or anything else -why not?
They only become a problem when they shit on other people's lawn and shout, "Durr... You don't believe that [insert favorite conspiracy here] is true? You be ignant!"
There's plenty of room for everybody's bad ideas.
Trust Sythetic Posting Above by Who ??
Sythetic posting above by who??? Which agency of the CFR or The government is posting on this site again??
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I believe the information from those two web sites mentioned above like I believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and a huge navy and a huge massive air force when we bombed them.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
It is too bad a lot of misinformation is put on this site.
I believe if Ron Paul read it, or became aware of it that he would choke on the misinformation that the CIA. FBI, the IRS, and other ""professional misinformation agents"" write and put on the dailypaul. I am sure his campaign staff know that we have spy's and moles trying to keep us apart. The method is called divide and conquer.
We all know MSM did not blackout (or did they?) Ron Paul speeches.
They say he just never gave any speeches to groups large enough to put in the news.
And that no one in this country knew who he is so why report on him, or the public were not interested in what he had to say, or he would have raised some money, Right?!?
They used to give the silent treatment to those that did not raises a lot of money, but now the rule must be to silence anyone that does not go along with the ..... CFR, .. (who always choose good candidates for the public to vote for on their two political party's) or support the CIA, IRS, FBI, ATF, etc, etc.
Federal Reserve Bank
If you want to know the truth it is available.
The First National Bank of Montgomery v. Jerome Daly
"Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." USA Banker's Magazine, August 25 1924
“Allow me to control the issue and the nation’s money and I care not who makes its laws!” — Amshell Rothschild
Banks that hold the controlling stock in the Federal Reserve Corporation:
Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin, Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris, Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam, Lehman Brothers Bank of New York, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York, Goldman Sachs Bank of New York.
.........................................................................................................
Now for the information you need to understand the Federal Reserve Bank. http://www.silverbearcafe...
This Web site will clear up anything you did not know about the Federal Reserve Bank. ............................ You will want to book mark this and perhaps be inspired to .......................... download it while it is available. If you study this you will be prepared to sound intelligent next time you have a chance to talk to Dr. Ron Paul. And you will have gained a wealth of knowledge and understanding.
i don't believe they technically own controlling stock
Fortune Favors the Bold
rather they have intimate relationships with the fed banks membership boards
say huh
Just because they own all the stock does not mean they don't own the controlling stock. Duh??
....so your splitting a
....so your splitting a pubic hairs worth of difference I take it? lol
I agree
Fortune Favors the Bold
I am just trying to clarify how it works, but your right, the effect is the same The post is called "debunking" we need to get our facts straight, or people will dismiss our arguments. That said, this whole subject is confusing, and purposefully set up in a manner that makes obfuscation and denial of the reality easy. They want to make it so that people can believe there is nothing bad going on. It's like "Oh, they don't actually own it, so i guess there's no problem."
Geocities?
The first article didn't have much credibility with free hosting on Geocities and a *published* spelling error (publically-appointed) by a Ph.D.(or not)!
Even young teenagers have their own domains and paid hosting-
I missed the debunking here
Fortune Favors the Bold
these are all facts.
and they are consistent with everything Paul has been saying. I miss the "debunking" part.
Interest Returned to Treasury
I'm missing something here.
Facts: The Federal Reserve rebates its net earnings to the Treasury every year. Consequently, the interest the Treasury pays to the Fed is returned, so the money borrowed from the Fed has no net interest obligation for the Treasury.
here
Fortune Favors the Bold
if the fed holds a bond, it doesn't charge interest. But there is obviously interest on the bonds they sell. When they have to buy back the bonds, they are paying out more then they sold them for.
Bond Money Treasury Notes
When congress needs to borrow some money it sells a government bond, note or a treasury certificate. To sell the bond or note they notify the Bureau of Engraving that they need to sell some notes (or what ever they want to sell today) lets say it is 1 billion dollars in treasury notes. Then they tell the Federal Reserve that they are going to sell 1 billion dollars in notes and the Federal Reserve is then going to buy the notes. So they call up the bureau of engraving and say we need to buy some notes so print us 1 billion dollars in cash.
............................................................................................................
So now the Bureau of Engraving prints 1 billion in notes and hands them to the congress and they print up 1 billion in dollars in cash and hands them to the Federal Reserve.
Now congress and the Federal Reserve each pay for the ink and paper and manpower which is nothing compared to 1 billion dollars they just created out of thin air (as Ron Paul calls it).. Then congress hands the notes to the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve hand congress the cash and
.............................................................................................................
Now congress pays interest on the bonds, notes, or treasury certificates to the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve puts them into circulation thru the investment houses on Wall Street.
.........................................................................................................
There is a lot more to it than this, but this is the easiest way for me to make it simple to explain so (I hope everyone even the spy's here can understand it) and give a clear picture as to why we have a 9 Trillion dollar debt.
.........................................................................................................
We also borrow money to pay the interest on the debt which means that the economy must collapse unless Ron Paul can implement his duel monetary policy. He will need to explain that as soon as we elect him. ""Trust him"" he does know the problem and the solution.
The solution is not to be deceived by agents of the Federal Reserve or the government agency's. The truth is that those trolls working for the CFR and agency's do not understand what is going on in politics as well as most of the people on this web site. But they do need to do their job if they want to get paid.
furthermore
Fortune Favors the Bold
Since the direct buyers are often the main banks (like Chase Manhttan or JP Morgan Stanley) or sovereign wealth funds they have stakes in through complex international banking arrangements, the interest actually IS being payed to them directly.
when i say them
Fortune Favors the Bold
i mean the bank owners, not the fed owners (since there are none), but the bank owners basically decide the board policies, so the FED itself is government, but it is completely managed by the bank leaders, and actually paying interest to the FED would be a good thing, but the fed pays interest to the bankers, which ultimately has to be attained through taxation or inflation.
for example
Fortune Favors the Bold
David Rockefeller is both the Class A Director of the Fed Bank of New York, and the President (essentially) of Chase Manhattan.
So he makes decisions about bond sales to his OWN bank.
Fed issue is *not* the interest
It's the "creation" of fiat money (how many *billions* in past weeks?)
Laurie's Answer
...is soooo right!