When you are talking about relationships, such as Obama's relationship to Bush, that are connected through people that died in the 1600's it doesn't mean a whole lot, if anything. In my old town (founded by the Pilgrims, many families stayed in the area for a long time, I moved in but had family nearby in the 1640s) it was strange to NOT have family connections like this. If you have ancestors that trace back a long way in America, particularly to the early settlers, then you will almost certainly have a number of notable people in your family tree. If they did fairly well for themselves, you will probably have a little English "royal" blood.
That's nothing amazing. You and I are also distant cousins. All humans are related in this fashion. The problem with journalists is that they don't understand science. At all.
I cite this image (SFW) as proof of my assertion: http://jsparx.net/images/...
And that, boys and girls, is why you should always ignore science from a media outlet (unless they have dedicated themselves to that domain).
If they were first or second degree cousins, that might be unlikely. But the article doesn't specify. We can only therefore assume that its content is tautological.
It's just as silly as saying:
"New study shows that all water is made of atoms!"
Radio interview of some good points : Look for Monday KNARR March 17th : http://mp3.rprradio.com/1...
KEEP THIS BUMPED EVERY DAY PLEASE!
IMPORTANT : YOU PEOPLE NEED TO IGNORE THE POSTS FROM JHL - SLAPSHOT AND WRELLIM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
You must become a delegate now call your county chairman and if they say your timeline is passed become an alternate delegate they are just as important.
I was an administrator for the Democratic party for over 6 years and i am well educated in the nomination process, I left the party to support Dr. Paul so i know what i am talking about.
Our founding fathers set the system up like this to assure that we would not have false or fruadulent support for a candidate thus forcing THE PEOPLE to become involved in the election process and to show actual support for thier candidate.
They wanted to make sure they would protect us from VOTE FRAUD and to make sure that a candidate did not win a beauty contest but instead win an election.
Any candidate and thier supporters can do exactly what we are doing if they chose to do so and i am sure from the reports we have received that Mccain does not have real support or he would have the delegates he needs registered as delegates to vote for him in the up coming convention.
If you doubt my post go and research it yourself PLEASE here : http://www.gop.com/images...
PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.
If you can be a delegate because it is too late to register you can still help us at the convention.
Use these 2 links and help us win.
Link : http://www.gopconvention....
Link # 2 : http://msp2008.com/volunt...
I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.
I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind thier delegates that are bound by state rules?
Did you know that delegates can actually overturn and previous vote?
Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?
The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.
I know many of you are bummed about Dr. Paul not getting more votes in the states popular vote BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain now has 906 delegates now but he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 906 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.
What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
View the hard count of actaul pledged delegates here : http://www.thegreenpapers...
And we have lots of delegates.
Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here : http://www.gop.com/Images...
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?
This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Learn the language of the convention A must read for all : www.robertsrules.org
Info on how to become a delegate here : http://www3.webng.com/ron...
Dr. Steve Parent
How can individuals who are not registered Republicans help the Ron Paul campaign from this point forward? Is it too late to register and become a delegate in certain states?
In the last several presidential elections a good SONG and a smile have seemed worth more than 1000 votes, at least in terms of effecting positive change in the world. And while I will certainly vote for Ron Paul if he's on the presidential ballot, I have grown extremely cynical about this country's vote tally process. Are there plans for Ron Paul supporters to get involved into the electoral college as well?
Please see my above post. "Blood-tie" is something of a misleading phrase. It would be more real to say "blood half-life" or "genetic half-life".
Identical twins are 100% related. Fraternal twins are 50%.
You are 50% related to your mother.
You are 50% related to any siblings you have.
25% related to your grandmother (either side)
25% related to your niece.
12.5% related to your great-great grandmother (any of them)
12.5% to any first-degree cousins.
6.25% to the progeny of any of your first-degree cousins.
I hope that is enough for everyone to pick out the pattern.
Every generation dilutes the previous "blood tie" unless a family inbreeds extensively (which was practiced in the past by wealthy and/or powerful families). Everyone is related to everyone else, ultimately. It only makes sense to talk about blood ties at the level of immediate and near-immediate family.
Obama is also related to...
As far as I know, Obama is also related to George Bush and Dick Cheney as well...
When you are talking about
When you are talking about relationships, such as Obama's relationship to Bush, that are connected through people that died in the 1600's it doesn't mean a whole lot, if anything. In my old town (founded by the Pilgrims, many families stayed in the area for a long time, I moved in but had family nearby in the 1640s) it was strange to NOT have family connections like this. If you have ancestors that trace back a long way in America, particularly to the early settlers, then you will almost certainly have a number of notable people in your family tree. If they did fairly well for themselves, you will probably have a little English "royal" blood.
So what?
That's nothing amazing. You and I are also distant cousins. All humans are related in this fashion. The problem with journalists is that they don't understand science. At all.
I cite this image (SFW) as proof of my assertion:
http://jsparx.net/images/...
And that, boys and girls, is why you should always ignore science from a media outlet (unless they have dedicated themselves to that domain).
If they were first or second degree cousins, that might be unlikely. But the article doesn't specify. We can only therefore assume that its content is tautological.
It's just as silly as saying:
"New study shows that all water is made of atoms!"
My Shelfari page
In stealth mode getting this information out ;)
Radio interview of some good points : Look for Monday KNARR March 17th : http://mp3.rprradio.com/1...
KEEP THIS BUMPED EVERY DAY PLEASE!
IMPORTANT : YOU PEOPLE NEED TO IGNORE THE POSTS FROM JHL - SLAPSHOT AND WRELLIM BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
You must become a delegate now call your county chairman and if they say your timeline is passed become an alternate delegate they are just as important.
I was an administrator for the Democratic party for over 6 years and i am well educated in the nomination process, I left the party to support Dr. Paul so i know what i am talking about.
Our founding fathers set the system up like this to assure that we would not have false or fruadulent support for a candidate thus forcing THE PEOPLE to become involved in the election process and to show actual support for thier candidate.
They wanted to make sure they would protect us from VOTE FRAUD and to make sure that a candidate did not win a beauty contest but instead win an election.
Any candidate and thier supporters can do exactly what we are doing if they chose to do so and i am sure from the reports we have received that Mccain does not have real support or he would have the delegates he needs registered as delegates to vote for him in the up coming convention.
If you doubt my post go and research it yourself PLEASE here : http://www.gop.com/images...
PLEASE EVERYONE COPY AND SEND THIS TO THIER EMAIL LIST AND MEETUP HEADS AND ANY OTHER RON PAUL FORUM THERE IS.
If you can be a delegate because it is too late to register you can still help us at the convention.
Use these 2 links and help us win.
Link : http://www.gopconvention....
Link # 2 : http://msp2008.com/volunt...
I know many of you are new to the election process but don't worry.
I am going to go into some depth of how this all works so read and then read again if you need to.
Did you know that the delegates can actually vote to unbind thier delegates that are bound by state rules?
Did you know that delegates can actually overturn and previous vote?
Did you know the delegates have control of the entire process?
The MSM is not reporting how to become the nominee in a situation like this so i will tell you to stop getting your info from the MSM.
I know many of you are bummed about Dr. Paul not getting more votes in the states popular vote BUT THAT IS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW THE ELECTION SYSTEM WORKS : Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.
First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1191 delegates that are bound by state rules to be commited to that candidate. So if a candiate like Mccain now has 906 delegates now but he doesn't reach 1191 WHICH HE WILL NOT most of the delegates the state awarded him mean nothing and keep in mind in most of the states most of the people that represent the 906 for Mccain are actually Ron Paul supporters. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.
Normally Convention Delegates do not matter because the convention is not brokered and we have a clear winner because someone has 1191 delegates. BUT THIS YEAR IS DIFFERENT. This will be a brokered convention there is no way around it. Do you see how the ronpaul campaign strategy will work.
When a candidate wins delegates by winning a primary that does not mean there are actual people that won acting as delegates- these are virtual delegates.
What do I mean by virtual delegates: A virtual delegate is just a number - there are no actual people YET that will go and vote for the candidate who won the particular state at the national convention. We call these people convention delegates
The actual delegates are voted on (in most states) at a statewide delegate caucus after the Primary (which is just a giant preference poll) Who can be delegates? Anyone. In closed Primary states they must be registered Republicans, in Open Primary states they can be Republicans, Democrats, Independents.
View the hard count of actaul pledged delegates here : http://www.thegreenpapers...
And we have lots of delegates.
Out of the 2,380 delegates sent to Minneapolis St. Paul in September-
-463 delegates are bound all the way through the convention some of those 463 are Ron Pauls people.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot. That is, they have to follow the results of the state election on the first ballot. After that, if no candidate has a majority of delegates, they are free to vote as they please and Mccain will not receive over 50% on the first ballot.
- 383 will be bound through two ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
- 318 will be bound through three ballots then they are free to vote for whom they wish.
I am not going to list every state and what the break downs are, just do the math from these numbers or look for yourself here :
http://www.gop.com/Images...
Bottom line is less than 1/2 of the delegates are bound by state party rules. Now do you see how we can win this thing?
So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommited to the other candidates and will support him. these delegates are not decided by the popular vote ie: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates NOT VOTES but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommited to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.
This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomintaion untill the convention.
The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation's primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul The first week in September 2008
SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN?
This means that all of the people that registered to become a deligate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast thier vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what i just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a deligate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.
Now i assure you that even though we didn't win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which is delegates.
Doesn't Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?
NO THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works.
We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and i assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.
Do any of you remember seeing posts by myself and many others that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.
So please STOP! you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn't you? I assure you we have not!
The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.
I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.
NOW LET'S KEEP WORKING FILE TODAY AND BECOME A DELEGATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
Learn the language of the convention A must read for all : www.robertsrules.org
Info on how to become a delegate here :
http://www3.webng.com/ron...
Dr. Steve Parent
If not registered Republican...
How can individuals who are not registered Republicans help the Ron Paul campaign from this point forward? Is it too late to register and become a delegate in certain states?
In the last several presidential elections a good SONG and a smile have seemed worth more than 1000 votes, at least in terms of effecting positive change in the world. And while I will certainly vote for Ron Paul if he's on the presidential ballot, I have grown extremely cynical about this country's vote tally process. Are there plans for Ron Paul supporters to get involved into the electoral college as well?
More Songs & More Smiles
what does
once removed and twice removed mean? Does it take away the blood tie?
Please see my above post
Please see my above post. "Blood-tie" is something of a misleading phrase. It would be more real to say "blood half-life" or "genetic half-life".
Identical twins are 100% related. Fraternal twins are 50%.
You are 50% related to your mother.
You are 50% related to any siblings you have.
25% related to your grandmother (either side)
25% related to your niece.
12.5% related to your great-great grandmother (any of them)
12.5% to any first-degree cousins.
6.25% to the progeny of any of your first-degree cousins.
I hope that is enough for everyone to pick out the pattern.
Every generation dilutes the previous "blood tie" unless a family inbreeds extensively (which was practiced in the past by wealthy and/or powerful families). Everyone is related to everyone else, ultimately. It only makes sense to talk about blood ties at the level of immediate and near-immediate family.
My Shelfari page
Jolie is a CFR member.
I find it interesting that so many of them are related and CFR members!Nothing like "keeping it in the family"!