Longtime Ron Paul favorite enters Libertarian race for president
Submitted by antboy on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 07:13
UPDATE: Since it would confuse people to remove the first sentence of this post and try to understand the vitriol, I'll leave it, but in retrospect, I agree I should have left it out. The remainder of the message is, I believe, useful information, and contains links to two sets of writings that are almost entirely in agreement with Ron Paul's views, and offer both arguments and evidence that will be useful in promoting Dr. Paul's candidacy, and that contain nothing promoting the candidacy of any other person.
I should also have noted that Dr. Ruwart and her husband have been active supporters in this year's Ron Paul for President campaign, and that she only declared after Dr. Paul's announcement that he was suspending his presidential campaign (or after what looked to most people like such).
Okay: my original message, with the offending first sentence follows:
I think I know who Dr. Paul is going to be voting for in November, and it isn't John McCain. ;)
Dr. Mary Ruwart, who was nominated in 2002 by Dr. Ron Paul to be FDA Commissioner, has entered the race for the Libertarian nomination. Ruwart, a former Assistant Professor of Surgery at St. Louis University Medical School and research scientist in the pharmaceutical industry, is the author of Healing Our World in an Age of Aggression, a primer on libertarianism which Dr. Paul says "bridges the gap between conservatives and liberals, Christians and New Agers, special interests and the common good, with practical solutions to our economic and societal woes." Although the current 2003 version of the book is well worth the price, an older version of the book is available online for free at http://www.ruwart.com/Healing/
In her turn, Dr. Ruwart supported Ron Paul in his Libertarian presidential bid in 1988, and has indicated that her campaign intends to promote Dr. Paul's Health Freedom Act proposal now in Congress. She has announced that her three campaign themes will be Foreign Policy, The Economy, and Health Care, all issues in which she and Paul are in virtually total agreement. Her popular Internet column for the non-political educational group Advocates for Self Government, "Ask Dr. Ruwart", provides short answers to the tough libertarian questions, and archives of her answers can be found at http://www.askdrruwart.com.
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I don't understand the narrow mindedness of some RP supporters. "I'm only voting for RP and no one else", "Gimme RP or gimme death" I admire the passion. But even RP said himself that his revolution isn't about him, ITS ABOUT IDEAS. So we need to continue to get RP delegates in the GOP. And continue to elect RP Republicans for public office.
But we also need to give a steroid injection to the Libertarian Party with money bombs. They were ineffective in the past due to lack of funding. But the RP grassroots has the organizational power to help that. Bob Barr has to same web designer as RP. www.bobbarr2008.com
Read my post here: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/46148
give me paul or give me death
!!!
Ignore 'em
When they give you a hard time for an interesting opinion and information about Dr. Paul's history and beliefs that few have known (well, I certainly didn't...). There's a group of fundamentalists who cruise the posts looking for blasphemers and swarm as the first hint of conjecture, realistic or not. They probably wear rough wool and beat themselves with tattered copies of The Revolution whilst humming Aimee Allens tune.
For myself, at this point I wouldn't bet a large amount of money that Dr. Paul will make the ticket in November. As he himself pointed out, however, that's not the point. The point is the movement and its ideas. It sounds as though Dr. Ruwart is in very close agreement with Dr. Paul (and by extension...supposedly all of Dr. Paul's supporters) on most of the issues so I don't see what all the yelling is about. If you want to get excited over something go find people who aren't familiar with the platform and get excited informing them. Bashing your shield at members of your own army isn't a smart way to fight a battle.
No one is yelling
nor wearing rough wool, at least not me, as it is 75f where I am at. Do love th Aimee Allen tune, however, she did a great job. Now back to the subject at hand here. Ron Paul said he will stay in the race as long as he has supporters. Talking about the virtues of another Presidential candidate and how Ron Paul would vote for her does not support him in any way. The owner of this site has stated the purpose of it was for the campaign for Ron Paul, not someone he has endorsed a book for. You may not think he will make it, but the rest of us are working very hard to make it happen, and believe it will.
While I applaud
your enthusiasm I have reservations about this notion of hijacking the convention. I don't like the fact the delegates decide who the nomination is and not the voting public, even if I don't agree with them.
And yes, this site is decided to Dr. Paul. And since Dr. Paul is dedicated to Freedom, Liberty and the Constitution it follows that anyone that Dr. Paul supports must likewise be so dedicated. Therefore it doesn't detract from Dr. Paul's run nor does it distract any but the most flighty from the mission that Dr. Paul himself has set, which is getting the message of Freedom and Liberty to as many people as possible. Additionally, its good to be aware of ANY prominent person who agrees with Dr. Paul on so many things.
As for Dr. Paul making the nomination, well...he himself certainly doesn't seem to expect it so it seems fair to theorize possible outcomes, even here, in this most sacred sanctuary.
rokdevil
I do understand where you are coming from. The odds are stacked against Ron Paul getting the nomination, but we are not living in normal times, so many things are in flux that anything can happen! Look at the quality (or lack of) of the others running, what if people start waking up to the mess our country is and start demanding changes, the ones Ron Paul is committed to. Yes, I am enthusiastic because I believe he still has a chance, there have been other historic surprises. The problem I have with this post is the insinuation that it is a given that Ron Paul will not make it, and the candidate mentioned, who may be a fine person, I do
not know has a better chance at it then him. Do you really think that people here that are working there butts off as delegates, and everything else is going to receive that attitude well? I think it is inappropriate to be pushing another presidential candidate ( I guess she in not even one yet)here untill that is the only choice we have. From most post, I have read no one here is going to pick one of the puppets running, and would just write Ron Pauls name in if they had to.
Write in Ron Paul
It is what I have said I will do, it is what I will do, and I hope it is what Ron Paul will do. I spent most of my life voting for third parties, due to this type of post I will be far less supportive in the future. I am in a state where we have not even had our primary, posts like this irritate the piss outta me.
Will you support a LP nominee that Ron Paul
endorses? The gop turns their back on rp, then the rp diehards (not true supporters) turn their backs on the LP. It doen't make sense. Be aligned with the party that has been fighting for you and the constitution for over 35 years, new kids on the block.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
no
personally ill vote my conscience. I dont beleive a 3rd party could win this election-with or without RPs endorsement. Ill write him in and no matter what happens Ill be able to sleep at night.
So its better
to take the high ground and sleep easy at night...while the country is possibly dragged into a war with Iran...then to make the hard decisions and hope that your vote made a difference. I'll vote for Dr. Paul if he's on the ticket. Otherwise I just want to ensure that McCain doesn't get elected. Its kind of like cutting off your arm that's pinned under a rock to save your life...you don't want to do it but its do or die. Sometimes there aren't any good choices.
I agree - this post really sucks
Really need to drop this talk-up of any other candidates running for president except Ron Paul. He is the man until he officially drops out, which he has not done and will not do! We are still working hard for him because we believe there is still a chance.
I Will Write In His Name for President!
So take your campaigning for anybody else elsewhere please!
RON PAUL or BUST
RON PAUL or BUST
I find it hard to believe that Dr. Paul would
not be elected to congress as a LP candidate in his Texas district. His constituents are voting for the man not the party. Besides he already beat his only gop competition.
God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell
"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner
It's Not About Ron Paul
All of you guys talking about how this post doesn't support Ron Paul are missing the point, I think. Dr. Paul himself has said that the freedom movement isn't about him. This revolution is about promoting liberty. Whether you're getting active in your local Republican Party, or joining the Libertarians or Constitutionalists, or signing up for the Free State Project, the point is that you promote freedom and liberty.
Sure, we can disagree on the best way to do that, but nobody should be disparaged as along as they are doing something to oppose tyranny.
Not missing any point
This IS about Ron Paul untill he tells us himself, he is no longer running. Why do you think people are working their tails off, scraping up donations, and putting all of the energy and time in for him to get the nomination. The focus should be on that, not other candidates and what they think, that can come later if they want to be a part of what he will put into place.
I would think that Dr. Paul
I would think that Dr. Paul will do I I will do: WRITE IN THE NAME OF RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT!
http://www.1776solution.blogspot.com
“MEN DO NOT WILLINGLY READ UNPALATABLE TRUTHS OF THEMSELVES. THE PEOPLE LIKE THOSE BEST WHO FOOL THEM MOST BY PANDERING TO THEIR VICES AND FLATTERING THEIR FOIBLES”—ADMIRAL RAPHAEL SEMMES.
I keep thinking that Ron
I keep thinking that Ron Paul will cast his ballot for Ron Paul!
nothing says "screw being a delegate for Ron Paul"
like posting the virtues of another candidate on this site. I am floored by the amount of support that this is receiving. Ron Paul says that he is in it till the end....that through the delegate process we can effect significant changes- not least among them his nomination. We are making major strides in the area of delegates. This woman has no chance of doing anything but being a spoiler this time.This whole revolution is about getting our country back- slicing Ron Paul's voting block in half will circumvent all of our effort thus far and Ms Ruwart stands only to gain an asterisk in the 2008 election. GOP delegates are where the progress will be made.
Yes, and the convention is September, not November.
If Paul gets the Republican nomination or reverses the decision he EXPRESSLY communicated to the LP that he doesn't want the LP nomination, no other Libertarian candidate is going to be a spoiler.
Does anyone here think it was a betrayal by Paul to run for reelection in Congress, given that this is an acknowledgment he may not be elected President in 2008? I didn't think so.
Ron Paul is planning for the future. He knows that he is fighting for the IDEAS of liberty, and what is why he has my undying gratitude, and why I worked hard for his campaign. I'm not an outsider who joined this forum just yesterday to post this message.
It's one topic on this forum. It didn't kill you to read it, and if you go to those links, you'll find information that will make you a better advocate for Ron Paul, and find nothing about Ruwart's campaign.
Ok ...i read this twice
are you honestly suggesting on the Daily Paul that we should vote for someone other than Ron Paul in November? Im writing him in if I have to!
Actually I suggested no such thing
I merely indicated who Ron Paul is probably going to vote for in November, and then described the reasons I believed this was true. Absolutely NOWHERE in my post did I tell people here to do ANYTHING.
I worked hard for Dr. Paul and gave $1,000 of my own money to the campaign. I assume that those people still posting to the Daily Paul are going to keep working on his election until Paul tells them to stop, and some will ignore Paul's wishes and continue even then.
Heck, I didn't even post a link to her campaign web site, only to a couple of her writings that will be helpful to people defending libertarian views in order to assist the campaign of Dr. Paul.
I believe a few people here are happy that the leading LP candidate is someone Ron Paul respects so much. I'm one of them.
Please read it a third time.
We could read it a hundred times
We are here to get Ron Paul elected, that is why we are called his supporters, so if you are suggesting that he will be voting for your lady, you are saying he will have dropped out. Pretty clear what you are saying. Her views will not give us insight on Ron Pauls views, his views will give us insight on his views. Congratulations on your chosen candidate, but this site is for ours.
Chill out.
DOCTOR Ruwart is a professional contemporary and friend of Dr. Paul. Their views are similar, and their party labels different.
No one disputes that DailyPaul is about electing Dr. Paul.
But in that process we are also made aware of competition and complementary candidates. Dr. Ruwart, although not yet the LP nominee, is both.
I agree, as does antboy, that the beginnings of the post were ill-advised. But that's no reason to pillory him for it.
All antboy did is mention another candidate was running. Leave it at that.
On second thought, you're right about the opening sentence.
I should have left it out. I think the remainder of my post was appropriate and useful.
He endorsed the bloody book!
Don't tell me a book that has his endorsement on the back cover says nothing about what Ron Paul believes. What's funny is that I provided a link to Ruwart's writings on this site last year, specifically to help us support Paul, when Ruwart was not a candidate and had expressed no interest in becoming a candidate. The only links I proceeded in THIS topic were to her writings on issues, not to her campaign site, and while there are a couple of differences, 95% of their views are identical.
Anyway, your point is made, my point is made, and this is the only topic I intend to start on the subject.
"I think I know who Dr. Paul is going to be voting for in Nov.."
The clear implication is that he will not be on the ballot. The suggestion is obvious. I respect that you are already on to "the next big thing" but you need to respect that many of us beleive in this campaign and see that we need to work as hard as we can to gain the nomination- this sort of post can wait until RP drops out of he does and then Im sure that he would make the suggestion himself- until then this thread is demoralising to anyone who has fought like hell and made sacrifices to this campaign.
You're right.
The opening sentence was totally inappropriate on this site, and I apologize.
You read it correctly
and so did I, pretty unbelievable.
Anyone know...
if she's pro-life?
Every question you might think of asking ...
... has probably been addressed by her in the "Ask Dr. Ruwart" column she has been writing for the non-political Advocates for Self Government for several years (http://www.askdrruwart.com). As a pro-choice man married to a pro-life woman who both see things the same way politically, I'd like to note that:
(1) The rate of abortion in countries where abortion is illegal is at least as high as where it is legal. The goal is to actually have abortions not take place, and not just to change their legal status. Neither alcohol nor abortion prohibition worked in this country, and the latter it isn't working now around the world.
(2) Abortion rates have dropped in this country for 20 straight years, even under Roe. Abortions are not available in 87% of the counties in the US, because there are no abortion providers in those counties. Compassionate persuasion and social pressure work.
(3) Abortions have dropped because of effective persuasion by pro-life groups, increased social acceptance of single mothers, increasing prosperity, some loosening of restrictions on adoptions, and greater awareness about birth control.
(4) The best answer in the private sector is to continue to persuade people and accept single mothers in the community.
(5) The government can best help by deregulating the economy to increase prosperity faster, eliminate restrictions on adoption, including the power of government social workers to prevent interracial adoptions and adoptions by same sex couple, and abolish the FDA so that effective birth control can be both developed and advertised freely (Dr. Paul's nomination of Dr. Ruwart to be FDA Commissioner was not an accident). Also, nobody should ever be forced to pay for an abortion against their will, and that means ending taxpayer funding for Medicaid abortions and Planned Parenthood.
(6) If abortion should be treated as murder, then the pregnant woman should face life in prison or execution, according to one's position on capital punishment. The fact that virtually nobody advocates this demonstrates that people rightfully believe there are solutions other than legal responses that are more appropriate.
(7) If the goal is to bring abortions down to the level where medical necessity is the only reason anyone will ever consider it, WE'RE WINNING, and we're winning by using the private sector. We would be progressing faster if government got completely out of the way.
THANK YOU!!
I just have the feeling that something GREAT will shake out of this election. Paul will be associated with the next administration in some form.
I don't know HOW, but I really FEEL it!!
naaa
he will be the guy choosing the next administration! :)
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny."
-Thomas Jefferson
I am more concerned about the return of my money than the return on my money. --Mark Twain
What is her take on Internet Regulation?
I haven't posted here in more than a month, mainly because, after posting for 3+ months, I finally determined a distinct lack of interest in the government attempts to regulate the Internet and marriage/relationships and too much interest in the anti-war angle.
Regarding this candidate:
Does she think the feds should regulate the Internet?
Does she think Eliot Spitzer was guilty of any crime other than hypocrisy and possible misuse of taxpayer funds?
Does she think domestic violence is a federal issue?
These are issues that interest a lot of people but which are not being discussed.
I am already working on people within the McCain campaign to see if we can get a sea-change going on there.
The Libertarian candidate had better be someone who can inspire like Ron Paul and, this time, concentrate on issues like the above that will cause Republican males to abandon McCain rather than adhere more to him (too much anti-war talk pushes most Republican males into McCain's arms).
She's a True Libertarian
You'll like all her positions, her book is a best-seller and she will make your cases for you with actual examples and well-thought-out and convincing arguments.
I heard her speak in February at the California LP Convention, and she gave a talk which discussed goverment and marriage, government and other human relationships, such as contracts between adults (e.g., employer/employee), where she gave examples of how government achieved very poor results. That's certainly applicable to those between Internet providers and users.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
I missed that lunch talk
I was out at Kinkos prepping the Bylaws addendum for later...and that should give you a clue as to my secret identity. :)
Ruwart's positions
We'll have to wait for her to fill out her campaign site, but here's a good source for her take on many issues: http://www.theadvocates.org/ruwart/categories_list.php
My guesses on her answers to your questions:
-Does she think the feds should regulate the Internet? NO
-Does she think Eliot Spitzer was guilty of any crime other than hypocrisy and possible misuse of taxpayer funds? NO
-Does she think domestic violence is a federal issue? NO, state & local
Doc Ruwart
I loved Dr. Ruwart's book and I've seen her speak a few times - she's wonderful and a unique thinker. Healing Our World is very powerful.
We have to wait until the LP convention to see who will be the P & VP nominees. There are now some excellent choices. I've been voting for LP candidates since the '80s. It seems that Dr. Paul's sincerity about continuing the revolution rings like the efforts of the LP since their inception. He's been here before.
We'll just have to see what happens this year with Dr. Paul and the LP convention! Lots of new energy. How exciting.
My current view is I will write in Dr. Paul's name
While I have voted Libeterian for all but one election since 1980, my current thought is the old media will find it hard to ignore if Dr. Paul get's a large number of votes, even if he is not on the ballot...
However, with Dr. Ruwart on the LP ticket... I may change my mind on this.
This is hard for me, as I have followed Dr. Paul since 1984. Yet at this moment (having just learned of Dr. Ruwart as the LP candidate) I am reminded of Dr. Paul's words... This is not about a given candidate, it is about a movement.
It is about supporting ANY candidate, REGARDLESS of party affiliation, who supports the principles behind our movement.
Of all the parties, Dr. Paul is a member of the "Party of Lincoln"... Is there anyone here who actually cares? It can be the GOP or the SOB party, as long as the principles are true, I really don't care.
I will not let labels or my ego get between me and the truth... Not this time.
Sorry for the stream of consciousness rant...
I'll do
What Dr. Paul tells me to do. I don't know Ruwart, but I am going to find out.
She's Not the Nominee, Yet
She has joined a dozen prospective candidates. The Convention is at the end of May.
The Executive Committee invited Ron Paul to enter his name for the nomination months ago, of course.
Now that it is clear that he stands a better chance of being nominated by the GOP than of winning as a Libertarian, we're left to consider the rest of our options.
Regarding write-ins: be careful it does not invalidate your ballot and that the vote will be counted. Most states probably don't count write-ins unless the candidate files as one, and Ron Paul probably won't do that.
As Dr. Paul says, he's not the perfect candidate; it is the message that is perfect. The LP will do its very best to make sure that there will be a freedom candidate on the ballot one way or the other. I'm pulling for Ron Paul (as are many Libertarians), but if I voted for Dr. Ruwart I'd be proud to say so.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
My letter:
Dr. Ruwart,
I am a fan of yours and I am pleased that you are throwing your hat in the ring for the bid of Presidency. However, I have one question.
If Dr. Ron Paul managed to win the Republican nomination (yes, a long shot I know but stranger things have happened), how would you proceed. I know the Libertarian party has asked Dr. Paul to run, but he stated that he believes changing the Republican party from within would be the way to go?
Please know if Dr. Paul (and us, his supporters) did not manage to pull the nomination off, I will be looking for the Libertarian party to replace the death of Republican party and feel that it could very well happen in the 2008 election.
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
Thank you Lynnopoly-
I have a queasy feeling about this :/
Hope you get a reply
And we want to hear it.---Please. :)
A bit off topic
A bit off topic, but has anyone else gotten e-mail from any of the Lib. party hopefuls? I got mine a few days ago from George Phillies.....
Greeting to Ron Paul supporters... "What Now?"
Do you want to end the war?
Do you want to restore fiscal sanity?
In short, Do you want to continue the R3volution?
To say the least I wasn't very happy with this pending the R3volution (as far as I am concerned) is Ron Paul and no other!!
OK, I'll put on my LP hat again for a moment heree.
As far as the LP race goes there are three or four frontrunners:
Dr. Ruwart, who was once nominated by Dr. Paul for an FDA commisioner post, had the preface to Healing writen by Dr. Paul, and until recently was the county campaign cooridnator for Dr. Paul in Burnett County TX.
Steve Kubby, CA MMJ activist.
Wayne Allen Root, Las Vegas oddsmaker and bookie, allegedly reformed neocon.
Bob Barr, LNC, former GA GOP Congressman, if he runs.
The rest are just wannabes and are unimpressive.
As for Dr. Paul vs. Dr. Ruwart, I wouldn't worry about it. They know each other well. Republicans here should focus on the GOP issues. We in the LP will worry about LP issues, even as we support Dr. Paul, who is also one of us as well as one of yours.
Dr. Ruwart running is much more about the LP than it is the White House. It helps to keep that in perspective.
That is not off topic
it is right on it. If they have so much support for Ron Paul, why the insinuation that our anything is over, I question the intent, and the questions asked seem very vague. What about the restoration of our Constitution and other very important issues that Ron Paul stands for? What now?? Our Revolution has just begun, and we will stand behind our candidate the whole way!
I got one from the Constitution Party
and the said Chuck Baldwin may run.
If you wont fight for the right when you can easily win...you may...have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival [or] when there is no chance of victory...it's better to perish than to live as slaves.
W.Churchill
Excellent choice for the LBTs
I've read and listened to Dr. Ruwart for many years. She's an excellent choice, second only to Ron Paul.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
She's got my vote
Assuming Ron Paul doesn't make it. I've read her stuff in the past. She's a good candidate. At least I will be voting somewhat for a party I trust more than the others.
I agree
If the Libertarian Party and the Constitutional party asked their members to switch ranks and swell the Republican party and become active in it as well as Join the Republican Liberty Caucas. The result would be HUGH! Unfortunately their egos get in the way. Hopefully they realize what a great opportunity Ron Paul presented and that by taking advantage of the GOP's current state of weakness THE NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE and get involved in the Republican Party to restore its originial platform.
Let's take our country back by securing the blessings of Liberty and Freedom for Our Posterity
They asked and he said no
The LP National Office explicitly asked Dr. Paul to seek the LP nomination, and if he had said yes, exactly what you suggested would have occurred: 70% of polled LP members expressed their support for Dr. Paul.
Even with his absolute and unequivocal refusal to seek the LP's endorsement, I was at the LP of California convention last month, and Ron Paul finished in a tie for second in the balloting.
I personally gave $1,000 to Ron Paul's campaign. I don't mind you trying to get Paul to change his mind about a 3rd party run, but that comment about us letting our egos get in the way is really unfair.
The LP is the only party that has ever been smart enough to nominate Ron Paul for President. It was prepared to do so again, but not against his express wishes. It is not about our ego but our respect for the integrity of his word.