The Law that says you must pay your income tax:
Posted March 27th, 2008 by GaleRazorwind
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My grandpa worked for West Publishing Company, which had a contract with the US government exclusively for 30 years to create a system to organize codes into an easy to find system. He found the law in about 30 seconds.
Well, it is legal. Now we just need to abolish it so we don't wreck the lives of any more people.
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Where are you Windy City?
Can you answer this Windy City?
On April 3rd, 2008 Freedom says:
You said Quote!
The 16th Amendment gives the Congress the power to impose a tax on income (income tax). "It say incomes not income tax" Congress delegated the authority to collect said Tax to the Treasury Department. The Treasury Department, pursuant to its authority to collect the income tax, has created all the rules and regulations and bullshit that is the tax code. Please believe me when I say that the Courts that have looked at this have repeatedly said that Congress' delegation of its autohrity to collect the tax to the Treasury department is perfectly legal. Regardless of whether they are right or wrong, it is PRECEDENT that other courts will follow.
In one of many Supreme Court ruling but I like this one because its in black & white!
The Sixteen Amendment ...does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects ...
Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247U.S. 165, at 172 (1918)
Also in the Brushaber Case The Sixteen Amendment conferred NO NEW POWER of taxation....
Also Windy City you speak as if the word income is the source of the tax which is not true! Income is the tool to measure the amount of tax that is due from the source or activity that is being taxed.
So Article I Section 9.
No Capitation is still in effect today!
Windy City can you show a Supreme Court ruling that changed Section 9?
By contracting with the
By contracting with the Social Security Administration one falls under their bylaws and the trust that is created everytime one uses their (SSA's) number is responsible to pay a tax.
50.000
thats what hes offering if you show the law that makes us pay an income tax( slave tax)
http://www.anti-irs.com/
Send monopoly money
Wouldn't it be great if everyone sent in monopoly money.
I would love to hear the news headlines the next day.
If they think securing our country is of no importance, then why should we be serious about taxes.
They can't put us all in jail.
Davy C Rockett
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http://screamfreedom.blog...
http://liberty-central.bl...
Codes Are Not Law
Please, check this foundation. They are non-profit organization challenging the legality of income tax.
http://www.wethepeoplefou...
We the People
I will just state briefly that the "we the people foundation" has been barred from several different federal tax courts for presenting so called frivilous tax arguments. In my other comments below I have a link to the decisions and rulings declaring as such.
Its great that they are challenging the laws and I wish them the best of luck, I would just caution everybody to seek advice from a licensed CPA or tax attorney before doing or implementing anything they recommend. I say this NOT because im some pro-tax goverment shill, etc... I say it because I DONT WANT YOU GUYS TO GO TO JAIL and have to spend thousands on lawyers and late fees just to pay a tax the Court will order you to pay anyway!
On the issue of codes being law: You guys have to understand the concept of delegation. The 16th Amendment gives the Congress the power to impose a tax on income (income tax). Congress delegated the authority to collect said Tax to the Treasury Department. The Treasury Department, pursuant to its authority to collect the income tax, has created all the rules and regulations and bullshit that is the tax code. Please believe me when I say that the Courts that have looked at this have repeatedly said that Congress' delegation of its autohrity to collect the tax to the Treasury department is perfectly legal. Regardless of whether they are right or wrong, it is PRECEDENT that other courts will follow.
Think of it this way - the Exectuve branch of the government "enforces the laws." However, nobody expects the President himself to enforce all federal laws, so there is the Dept of Justice and an Attorney General. This is "delegation" of the Executive's duty to see that the laws are enforced. Is it illegal to be prosecuted by the Attorney General because he isn't the "Executive?" Of course not. Same thing with Treasury and IRS and Congress.
Can you answer this Windy City?
You said Quote!
The 16th Amendment gives the Congress the power to impose a tax on income (income tax). "It say incomes not income tax" Congress delegated the authority to collect said Tax to the Treasury Department. The Treasury Department, pursuant to its authority to collect the income tax, has created all the rules and regulations and bullshit that is the tax code. Please believe me when I say that the Courts that have looked at this have repeatedly said that Congress' delegation of its autohrity to collect the tax to the Treasury department is perfectly legal. Regardless of whether they are right or wrong, it is PRECEDENT that other courts will follow.
In one of many Supreme Court ruling but I like this one because its in black & white!
The Sixteen Amendment ...does not extend the taxing power to new or excepted subjects ...
Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247U.S. 165, at 172 (1918)
Also in the Brushaber Case The Sixteen Amendment conferred NO NEW POWER of taxation....
Also Windy City you speak as if the word income is the source of the tax which is not true! Income is the tool to measure the amount of tax that is due from the source or activity that is being taxed.
So Article I Section 9.
No Capitation is still in effect today!
Windy City can you show a Supreme Court ruling that changed Section 9?
Still No Answer from Windy City?
Where are you?
I agree BUT
I think we all agree that the Constitution is the Supreme law of this land. Before you can even look at the Internal Revenue Code you must first look at the Constitution!
Article I. Section 9.
NO CAPITATION, or other direct, Tax shall be laid.
You have to get around this, before you can even look at the IRC.
"So Yes" The income tax is the biggest fraud in the history of the world upon the American people! Its to bad the American people are like jelly fish with no backbone! The only difference between the slaves of the 1860s an the Americans of today is they knew they were slaves!
You mean like this:
I agree with you the constitution is the supreme law of the land. However, the constitution can also be amended. And the amendments are equally the supreme law of the land.
For instance, it could be amended to read: "The Congress shall have the power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states and without regard to any census or enumeration." 16th Amendment, U.S. Constitution.
So what do you do when two provisions of the constitution conflict with each other? What happened when alcohol was prohibited by amendment and then re-legalized with another? The later amendment overrode the earlier constitutional language and become controlling.
Me thinks the same thing may be applicable here.
Stop this pointless argument already!
What a waste of time and (metaphorical) breath! It astounds me how much certain people waste their very LIVES arguing over legalistic minutia and semantics, when the practical matter is clear as a bell: You are required by the government to pay income taxes! I'm not saying it is right, or that I like it, but to try to split hairs with the government and claim to not have to pay income taxes over semantic subtleties and razor-thin definitions is like a child trying to get out of doing his chores by arguing that his mom said that he "should" mow the lawn and did not say he "had" to mow the lawn --- in the end, we all know damned well the kid is going to mow the lawn! Or, be punished if he does not.
This whole tact is so fruitless and pointless, it annoys me to no end to have to listen to it over, and over, and over, for thirty years now. Even if one COULD successfully make this claim in court, and win, the law woudl just be further redefined to close that loophole in, oh, probably about five seconds. Only by changing the political culture is the income tax going to die --- arguing against it legally is just beating your head against an infinitely thick brick wall.
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And how many
of those commenting here did NOT file their taxes? Or pay income tax? This is all wasted breath (or typing). We can all go to court and argue until we're blue in the face...and then either pay fines (and the taxes) or go to jail (and then pay the fines and taxes). No court decision has ever been found in favor of a tax protester due to any argument about the legality of the income tax.
Go read this FAQ
http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html
Here's another interesting like:
http://tpgurus.wikidot.com/
I certainly don't think we should have to pay taxes but I like going to jail less than I like paying taxes.
I honestly applaud the energy and effort of the discussion but I can't help but see it as whispers to the hurricane.
Dr. Paul said that civil disobedience is certainly one way of approaching it but he chose to try to change the law. That statement leads me to think that he must believe that the law is valid, whether its fair or not.
Not filing is not the answer...
Looking at the founders intent is. A wise and prudent government does not take bread from the mouths of labor.--Thomas Jefferson www.losthorizons.com
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
Freedom to Fascism
Freedom to Fascism is probably one of the most poorly made documentaries I've ever seen. If you just look up the name of the movie there are so many websites that show that it has factual error after factual error and that Aaron Russo is a fraud. Every time I see a Ron Paul supporter or Ron Paul himself talk in support of this movie it makes me cringe. It destroys your credibility to support that terrible movie.
I'd also mention that Dr.
I'd also mention that Dr. Paul was featured in Aaron Russo's Freedom to Fascism, whose entire goal was to show that no law exists.
"No court decision has ever
"No court decision has ever been found in favor of a tax protester due to any argument about the legality of the income tax."
Huh? I've seen plenty of information on cases where the decision was made in favor of the defendant on this site and elsewhere. At least one specific case is described in detail by a juror in Freedom to Fascism.
For those
who truly want to have a better understanding regarding this issue, please take the time to go through and read all posts and links. There is a lot of misinformation on here. Remember we need to get to the root and quit chopping at the branches. The IRS doesn't care if we have the answers we need or want, they will never give those to us. They just want to make sure we keep chasing our tails. As long as we are sidetracked doing that, they are happy.
It is because we continue to miss the real issue that they continue to plunder our goods. If people would realize it is about participation, i.e. (membership) and would stop applying, there would be no more citizens or (members) to take from, right? The answer is real simple. But it means they have to do something that they are not willing to do. They want their perks, i.e. SS, Driver's License, Passport, Food Stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, the government to protect them, etc.. So we continue to do the same thing expecting different results. Isn't that what is espoused to be insanity?
For further understanding on the contractual nature of governments, please see the following articles.
http://www.hisholychurch....
http://www.hisholychurch....
http://www.hisholychurch....
HOLBROOK
You talk about the IRS wording, but you seem to have no understanding of it yourself. You said "you are not telling the truth", and "be honorable" both suggest that I am a liar. So, please don't deny what you have said, as it is easy to go back and read the posts to see the truth.
I refer to your post titled "IRS Wording" go back and read it. You made absolutely NO point. Four paragraphs of nothing.
Your SS is a benefit, if the government disburses it, it's a benefit. It's not the same as putting it in the bank and taking it out later. That is a service. The government disburses benefits.
And by the way you keep saying over and over again that Everson refuses to answer the question. He did answer the question, you just don't like the answer. He plainly says that "those of us who expect and demand services from government, be they protection of our country, through the military, education of our children, protection of the environment, that we must pay for those services." OR if you partake of the benefits you must pay for them.
If you don't like the rules, don't play their game. Come out of their system. But don't stay in it and refuse to play by their rules.
You need to study contract law.
Laws are supposed to have an enacting clause attached to it to be a law. Those who study law know about that or should know that.
Regulations may not be law, but are applicable to a class of persons.
Even though the regulations are not enacted into law, they are still considered contracts. Because you voluntarily entered into the contract, all these regulations come up as enforcable to you. Even though you don't know any better.
In theory, all contracts should disclose or state the facts. Most if not all contracts are one sided (not in your favor).
They get you to voluntarily acquiesce into the situation and then they throw all these regulations at you and you never know how they hit you.
Once signed up it is harder to get out. It is very important that you don't sign anything, pettion for, or participate in something that in law will be construed as a contract, and especially where you may be signing away your rights.
So, who is this class of persons that are responsible? U.S. citizens created under the 14 amendment. Please see this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?...
The regulations are internal to the Club i.e. United States and its citizens, just as rules and regulations in any Club or Organization are internal to it and its members.
So, again, are you considered a citizen applying for membership or participating in the club?
With All Respect
You are seriously misinformed.
The law is imposed on taxable income
Taxable income means gross income minus deductions.
See section 861 for the definition of gross income. You will see that you have to be a foreigner living in the US or a US citizen living abroad for your renumeration to constitute gross income.
Check this out. . .
http://video.google.com/v...
I disagree
Section 1 merely IMPOSES the tax. Codes are not law. A STATUTE is required to make one liable for the imposition of the income tax on an American citizen; from everything I have looked at since 1974 any way.
Codes are not law
In God We Trust!
You are correct in that codes are not law, but the code is what they use to decieve so many into believing that they are liable and who is going to question something that they know nothing about? The American people are so very bright and yet so very dumb when it comes to their personal liberties and property. Just plain dumb. They need to hear the truth. It will get through to some, and others will never believe the truth no matter what the subject.
Grandpa
In God We Trust!
Galerazorwind - Did your grandpa ever stir up this much trouble when he was a youngster? lol
I'ts good to get these things out in the open.
Need A Crash Course In The Reality Of The Income Tax?
Read What A Few Of The Experts Have To Say:
"No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken."
United States Constitution, Article 1, Section 9
http://www.losthorizons.c...
Federal Employee?
In God We Trust!
There you go again explaining something that is not true! SHOW US THE LAW THAT PROVES WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE! It simply does not exist!
You are spreading falsehoods!
Your first part is correct about federal employees, until you get to the part where "YOU" say because someone collects SS benefits individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits)." (emphasis added)
By agreeing to accept those measly Social Security payments 40 or 50 years out, you agreed to live your entire life as a "federal personnel."
THIS WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED IS NOTHING MORE THAN YOUR OPINION!
NOW, BE HONORABLE AND SHOW US THE LAW AND STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH AND QUOTE THE STATUTE!
For you to suggest that I am
For you to suggest that I am not being honorable is out of line.
First of all you do not know me or what I am about. My goal is not to deceive you or anyone else on the Daily Paul or any where else for that matter. And while I have many opinions about many things, when it comes to matters of law, I try very hard to be sure that I am not quoting my opinion, but the law itself. As you stated earlier, I know what it is like to be misinformed and make decisions based on that misinformation. In light of that, let me ask the following:
Does anyone posting have an understanding of how contract law works?
Does anyone understand how presumption in law works?
I do see where there are those who seem to have some sort of understanding of it, but It appears that there may be those who either do not understand the nature of contract law, or are trying to stir up trouble as someone in an earlier post stated. Thank you all for your patience, and I apologize for the lengthy posts, but am trying to get the point across so that we can understand what the root cause is so that we can stop nipping at the branches and go to the root and pull it up there, so these things will finally end.
As stated in an earlier post, it matters not what is or has been passed, or what is or is not law. What matters is the contracts we enter into and the presumption attached to those contracts. As long as you are calling yourself a U.S. citizen (under a de-facto system) and are partaking of a privilege or service offered to such, you are presumed liable.
Look at the language. It is not mine, but theirs.
Read the maxims again.
Dolosus versatur generalibus. A deceiver deals in generals.
Section 1.1-1. Income tax on individuals.
• 1.1-1(a) General rule.
(1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States
Are you going to overcome this by saying the law does not exist. It is a general rule.
See above maxim again about generals!
Link to maxims:
http://www.lawfulpath.com...
In regards to the comment made by lupester; “I asked here for a copy of the IRS tax code. She said "The parts that pertain to your business". I asked her if I was responsible for all of it and she replied yes. So I told her I would need a copy of all of it then. Wow, she got off the phone quick!”
I will refer you to another post:
Ejus est non nolle, qui potest velle. He who may consent tacitly, may consent expressly.
Qui tacet consentire videtur. He who is silent appears to consent.
Praesumptio violenta valet in lege. Strong presumption avails in law.
Stabit praesumptio donec probetur in contrarium. A presumption will stand good until the contrary is proved.
Whether that woman sent a copy or not is not the main point. The point that is important is you are presumed to be participating. That woman presumed you were a participant, based on information she had on file. How is one participating you may ask? There are many ways, and I will list just a couple:
1) SSN, 2) Taxpayer ID#
The minute you apply for a SSN, you are applying for a benefit at a future date. It is PRESUMED, (there is that word again), that you will be taking a retirement benefit from the state or federal government.
Not only are you applying for benefits, but you are doing the following. Remember with membership (citizenship), in the (Body Politic) comes a price. Although this is more recent, you have always been presumed to be waiving your rights, once you make application to the government for anything!
The SSA, as well as their agents-in-fact and agents-de- facto, do not inform people of their rights nor do they inform them of those rights that are waived when they file a Social Security Application, nor do they tell people of the grave consequences of waving their rights.
Now what happens when you file a tax form, as Desert Rat pointed out? “When someone files their very first income tax return, a Master File (a billable account) is created at the IRS under their tax I.D. number or SSN. You see, an income tax return is also a sworn statement/oath, basically saying that you are a U.S. taxpayer and that you are volunteering to be responsible for the public debt.”
The 13th Amendment to the U.S. explicitly states:
"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
In Contract law, if you made an agreement the court expects you to fulfill that obligation, as does the government.
You volunteered. Signed up, applied for, or agreed to. It is only involuntary when you don’t sign up, apply for, or agree to.
Keep in mind that any service or benefit or (right) that you agree to, gives the government a right to tax you for it, as well as the Public Debt. Keep in mind the Debt is anything government determines it to be.
The federal government takes its contract with you seriously when it comes to what they perceive as their money. Just examine what the U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 10 has to say about contracts.
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 10 - Powers Prohibited of States
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Did you notice it said, No State shall... pass any... Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.
If the law says strong presumption prevails (your consent or participation in), then it stands to reason that once you enter into a contract (agreement) you are bound by it. You cannot be bound to something you did not sign up for, or participate in. It matters not what is or has been passed, what is or is not constitutional (another issue altogether) what is legitimate or not. What matters is that you have agreed to it, fraud or not! Have you consented? Did you voluntarily participate? Did you voluntarily sign up? Did you voluntarily apply for? Did your parents sign you up? Did they volunteer you?
The biggest problem we face is that we want our rights (to be free from the IRS or other entities) and be able to participate in and receive benefits (i.e. social security etc., etc., etc..) from the same system. Think of the government, federal or state as a private club (Body Politic) with membership available only to those who have applied for it within that club (Body Politic). The rules (Internal Revenue Service and IRC) of the club only apply to those members (and are internal to them, not external to non members). If you are not a member, the rules do not apply to you do they? If you want a service or benefit, as a member you have to pay for it. Correct? So, are you the “person” (citizen, member) (resident) (taxpayer) who is liable? With citizenship (membership) in the club, comes a price.
Honor
I never suggested that you were NOT honorable, I left that to you in your reply. You answered well and honorably but inacurately.
All the words that you quote in the LAW are acurate but you are deceived in what they mean.
Do you understand what they mean when they use the words "Individual, Employer, Employee, Person, Business, Trade " etc
They have disquised a great many words to fool everyone into believing that they are liable when the truth of the matter is that most are not.
That is why Everson could not answer the very basic question which is "What law makes me liable for federal income taxes".
The fraud is so very obvious. Most people are afraid of the thugs and rightfully so. The days of the IRS are numbered I believe.
I work construction and I can assure you that I am able to answer some very basic questions about the trade as can you in your line of work and others in what they do. Why is it that the Commissioner of the IRS could not answer this very basic question? There are many others who cannot either because they would have to tell the truth. Please don't argue the truth about this and quote the Law which only pertains to a certain portiton of Americans and NOT to those which are not FEDERAL EMPLOYEES such as myself.
If you want to continue paying a tax that you believe you are liable for than by all means, you should do so.
I wish you well.
I'm not
explaining anything. That is the code. That is what it says. Go look it up for yourself. It's there in black and white, very plain English. Sorry you don't understand.
Now let's examine 5 USC 552A (a)(13):
"The term "Federal personnel" means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits)." (emphasis added)
IRS Wording!
You are tricked again in the wording! Those members ( individuals ) entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement "BENEFITS" under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits)."
Those individuals are explained in the earlier part of the sentence ( The term "Federal personnel" means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components)
This is how so many people are dubbed into thinking "Oh, that must mean me'
These lying scumbags have permeated the entire code book this way so as to fool mostly everyone into thinking they are who they are talking about. Look up in "Liabilities" and see if you are in there. I certainly am not.
Wording is EVERYTHING!
Why is it do you suppose that they REFUSE to show anyone the law!
Your SS is NOT a "BENEFIT" as they would have you believe. You have been tricked into paying into it out of your pocket. That is NOT a "BENEFIT" no more than if you put that money instead into a bank or a personal retirement fund. Don't be fooled. We must read every word carefully because they wrote it to be acurate, but very difficult to decipher.
Again, any agreement that is written or agreed upon the conditions of fraud is not only nul and void, it is UNLAWFUL!
These damnable people are liars! Do you understand?
Please wake up!
I'm Sorry
but what you and Grandpa found so quick is the booklet put out to all employers to be able to figure the taxes that are applicable through payroll, I receive these at the start of every year at my company.
There is NO law that actually defines an American citizen to pay Federal Income tax of any kind to there government.
I also use the same table on your website for the payroll computer program
"The term "Federal
"The term "Federal personnel" means officers and employees of the Government of the United States, members of the uniformed services (including members of the Reserve Components), individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits)." (emphasis added)
By agreeing to accept those measly Social Security payments 40 or 50 years out, you agreed to live your entire life as a "federal personnel."
You Are Not Telling The Truth!
In God We Trust!
There you go again explaining something that is not true! SHOW US THE LAW THAT PROVES WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS TRUE! It simply does not exist!
You are spreading falsehoods!
Your first part is correct about federal employees, until you get to the part where "YOU" say because someone collects SS benefits individuals entitled to receive immediate or deferred retirement benefits under any retirement program of the Government of the United States (including survivor benefits)." (emphasis added)
By agreeing to accept those measly Social Security payments 40 or 50 years out, you agreed to live your entire life as a "federal personnel."
THIS WHAT YOU HAVE POSTED IS NOTHING MORE THAN YOUR OPINION!
NOW, BE HONORABLE AND SHOW US THE LAW!
CAN YOU?
Gullible?
Please do not take this as an offense. I simply stated that you seem to believe things you have been told and therefore "gullible" I too have in the past been "gullible"....that does not mean you or I are stupid, just too easy to believe at times. This whole matter is much too important to not look into it to see for ourselves. You have answered nothing to my post. Nothing! You talk just like the agents at the IRS in circles never stating law or fact. In regards to you saying you bet I pay income taxes, well, you are wrong again! Why should I pay a tax that I am not liable for?
I DO NOT pay any income taxes and have not since 1998 because the IRS has refused to answer my many requests to show me that law that makes me liable. I have faced them head on and they have hid in the shadows of deceit and will not come out into the light lest they get thrust through the heart with the truth. They are damned liars!
NOW, YOU SHOW US "THE LAW" ( not some silly research) THAT BY HAVING A SS CARD MAKES US FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AS YOU SAY OR SHOW YOURSELF TO BE A LIAR AND A FRAUD ALSO.
Please Show Us That Law Regarding SS
In God We Trust!
To say that when you get a SS card, now makes you a federal employee is an fraudulent agreement to say the least. How gullible can you be?
That very well may have put you on their books, but that does not mean it's legal. Because someone says you sign a SS card now makes you an employee of the federal government? Where in the law does it say that? Please show us that "law"
Are you related to Windycityally by any chance?
Call me gullible if you
want. I bet you pay your taxes though. If you would do as I suggested and READ all of my other posts on this thread you will find the answer you are looking for. Please do not call me gullible, as I am not. The information I have provided has been researched and studied for YEARS and validated. So please lets not be so immature and resort to name calling.
Gullible
Please do not take this as an offense. I simply stated that you seem to believe things you have been told and therefore "gullible" I too have in the past been "gullible"....that does not mean you or I are stupid, just too easy to believe at times. This whole matter is much too important to not look into it to see for ourselves. You have answered nothing to my post. Nothing! You talk just like the agents at the IRS in circles never stating law or fact. In regards to you saying you bet I pay income taxes, well, you are wrong again.
I DO NOT pay any income taxes and have not since 1998 because the IRS has refused to answer my many requests to show me that law that makes me liable. I have faced them head on and they have hid in the shadows of deceit and will not come out into the light lest they get thrust through the heart with the truth. They are damned liars!
Now, YOU SHOW US THE LAW THAT BY HAVING A SS CARD MAKES US FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AS YOU SAY OR SHOW YOURSELF TO BE A LIAR AND A FRAUD ALSO.
There is no
way you took the time to read my other posts.
Again....
read my others posts.
how stupid can you get.
The 16th amendment limits taxation to Federal Employees and officers of a corporation
If you have
a SS card you are a federal employee. Look it up for yourself. Read my other posts on this thread.
How can a baby just born
without any say in the matter be considered an employee of anything? That doesn't make any sense. So you're saying that being born in a hospital in the United States automatically makes you a federal employee? Is that what you're saying?
That's not
what I said!!!! OMG please read the posts!!
Please show me where I said being born in a hospital in the US makes you a federal employee.
BTW please, before you ask questions or make comments take the time to read ALL the posts and links. You will not understand otherwise.
You said
If you have
On April 1st, 2008 imunplugged says:
a SS card you are a federal employee. Look it up for yourself. Read my other posts on this thread.
Every baby born in the US is now required to get a social security card, right? Am I mistaken about that?
So, what am I missing about what you said? Can you give it to me in a nutshell? Because your post said if you have a ss card you are a federal employee. That's what you said. Did you mean something other than that?
That is exactly
what I meant. And no, babies born in the US are NOT required to get a SS card. Read the Social Security Act. This was covered in another post.
SS card makes me a federal employee?
To say that when you get a SS card, that you are now a federal employee is fraudulent agreement to say the least. How stupid can you be. Because someone says you sign a SS card now makes you an employee of the federal government? Where in the law does it say that? Please show us that "law"
Are you related to Windycityally by any chance.
IRS Commissioner Answers Questions!
IRS Commissioner Answers Questions on Income Tax Liability
By Robert R. Raymond
April 20, 2004
In late breaking news, IRS commissioner Mark Everson, in an attempt to quell the growing Income tax resistance, answered claims that the IRS refuses to be candid about what law makes an American man or woman liable for the Income tax. With millions of American’s asking questions regarding who is liable for the Individual Income Tax, Commissioner Everson answered specific questions, to end once and for all, any doubt that the law requires people to pay the income tax. With the skill of a Harvard trained lawyer he answered questions with pinpoint accuracy. With today’s answers there can be no doubt about what laws the IRS is enforcing.
Date: Thursday, April 1, 2004 6:30 PM
Reporter: "Commissioner Everson. There's a group of people outside that assert that no law requires them to pay taxes, and that you will not answer their petition to the government as to whether they're required to pay taxes."
Commissioner Everson: (snicker)."Well, I've been paying my taxes ever since I was, ah, well I...I've been paying my taxes ever since I had my first job, and I think it.it's a.it's a fundamental ..ah..construct of our nation that.that those of us who, um, expect and demand the services from our government..that the government provides, be they the protection of our country through the military, or be they, um, the education of our children, or be they the protection of our environment… That..That..we must pay for those services. So yes, I think there is a fundamental obligation, and.um.that.that it's an understood and well accepted one..um..ummm..
Reporter: "Let me modify my question then..The fundamental assertion being made here is that there is no law that requires us to pay taxes..that people are tricked into paying taxes. So the question they keep asking is "What law requires them to pay taxes?"
Dale Hart steps in: "Let me help here, Dave. As you know there are any number of court cases that ,uh,uh, that have been, uh, that have asserted our right to levy taxes, and I would, uh, hart.um, recommend that anybody who has any questions about whether or not they should be paying taxes go to IRS.GOV, and take a look at the um.uh.the issues we have there that respond to phony tax schemes advising people that they don't have an obligation to.to.pay taxes. So there's a lot of information out there, and a lot of information on our website that should assist anybody that has any questions about the legality of taxes. And there's plenty of court cases that support our right to assert and levy taxes under title 26."
[END OF QUOTE]
So there you have it. Ah, uh, and um. That's their answer. Given the
opportunity to clear up doubts about our income tax system, Commissioner Everson stumbles and bumbles and still can't find the answer. The government wants to put people in jail for not finding the law the IRS Commissioner himself can't find. What's there to hide? Is Commissioner Everson running one of those awful phony tax "schemes." How can the government restore the faith of its citizenry in the tax system without Everson's candor admissions about the tax laws? Aren't citizens entitled to have the IRS be honest with the public who employs them? The IRS has become like the Gulag system in Russia. “The Gulag system is not run by men who have some notion of justice and propriety, however autocratic and misguided, but by gangsters. The state and its apparatus have been taken over by those who have responsibility to no one, and least of all to the system they profess to believe, and which is supposedly leading society on to the “gleaming heights” of Republican government.” Where is that law that makes a citizen liable for a tax on their income? Somewhere behind Everson's snicker perhaps.
"Silence can be equated with fraud where there is a legal or moral duty to speak, or where an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading. . . We cannot condone this shocking behavior by the IRS. Our revenue system is based on the good faith of the taxpayer and the taxpayers should be able to expect the same from the government in its enforcement and collection activities."
U.S. v. Tweel, 550 F.2d 297, 299. See also U.S. v. Prudden, 424 F.2d 1021, 1032; Carmine v. Bowen, 64 A. 932.
Windycityally, We are ALL waiting to hear from you!
I'll just repost this...
Since the courts are where the laws are applied and the courts seem to be upholding the 16th
Get the 16th repealed. Its the only way to beat it. (Well, I suppose one could overthrow the government, but that gets messy)
wiki: Failed Arguments
While We Are Waiting For Windycityatty
While we're all PATIENTLY waiting for Windycityatty to prove to us that we are all liable for federal income taxes, here is a video that is very informative and may open your eyes a bit.
Here is an ex-IRS agent who speaks about the fraud and he is only one of many IRS agents who have come to the truth and want you to know too. Once you know the truth, you can never go back.
http://video.google.com/v...
For Windycityatty
AGAIN, I WANT YOU TO SHOW EVERYONE HERE THE SPECIFIC STATUTE THAT MAKES YOUR AVERAGE AMERICAN LIABLE FOR ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX AND DO IT NOW!
You refer to those who have not filed as "Evaders". Where do you get that from? They were, and are, brave Americans who stood up to the liars and stood for the truth. They never evaded the IRS or their liabilities. They openly asked for the IRS to show them so that they could fulfill their tax obligations if any. Our founding fathers did the same in standing boldly for the truth and many have even given their very lives to live free of tyrants and thugs. I now have your post boxed in with mine so you can't miss it and I am going to haunt you till you tell everyone here that they are liable and explain in detail the given law(s) that make this so. If there are any who are not "Liable" then please be specific in that also. I will have my IR Code book at hand so as to follow along with your "explaination" according to the "law"
Show us all NOW or show yourself to be a liar and a coward!