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IN HISTORY HAS THERE EVER BEEN A DELEGATE REVOLT?? where the delegates voted for someone other than who they were supposed to??

IF ANYONE KNOW S THIS PLEASE POST!!!We need to find out if this has ever happened before in our republics History!!

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I think I found the answer.....

.found this post on another thread ..think its the answer....
Hello Freedom Lovers

We believe it is possible to win the hearts and minds of enough of the National Delegates and Alternates to the RNC this September, that Ron Paul can still win.

Abraham Lincoln got the nomination starting with only one state behind him in the first round, and in 2004 Missouri, for one, proved that a state's delegates can simply abstain for a round and unbind themselves.

We have started the National DVDs for Delegates Project in order to make this happen this year.

Help us! We still need delegate lists, money for production and postage, and organizers in each state.

Please Donate to or Join with us Now!

In answer to a few of the questions I've seen here:

1. Some people have trouble registering accounts. Check your spam mail box for confirmation emails from our server--for some reason gmail, yahoo, and hotmail don't seem to be relaying our registration response email. You are required to open that email and click a link to confirm that the email listed in your registration really exists.

2. We are improving the donation page. Now we have resumes up for the President and Treasurer, as well as a Project Budget.

3. To see some of who I am and what I've done so far, look at the last link in my signature here--you can actually view the Alaskan DVD for Delegates we sent to all the non-Ron Paul delegates before the Alaskan GOP Convention in March. Note, we only had two weeks to prepare that from when we decided to go for it. We spent 6 weeks writing and refining a script and plan fo rfirst DVD in this project.

4. We need help spreading the word to get the donations we need. Let your meetups know we exist and are working hard to make a difference. If your state had a group that can help with delegate list collection and DVD distribution, let them know.

5. We created a legal framework for two organizations that will allow us to support other federal candidates along the same values, and to work to educate others with ongoing efforts. Part of our budget for this project includes those startup costs of using attorney's and filing papers. But we are built to last and serve this movement in the longer term.

Please reply to me with any questions or problems.

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Evan Cutler,
National DVDs for Delegates Project, Organizer
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http://ronpaul.meetup.com...
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http://ronpaul.meetup.com...
Alaska DVD for Delegates, Organizer
http://www.ronpauldelegat...

spread the above article to those who doubt we can win...

it is COMPLETELY WITHIN THE REALM OF SERIOUS POSSIBLY

Digg it ;)

Shuuu

Jdayh, don't forget there are plants among us. Now, having said that we will make history one way or another. Stand back.......

Turn in a blank ballot...

is my plan. What are they going to do, send me home? Banish me from the party? BRING ON THE BALLOTS!!!!!!!!!!

More links

Here's some more links that have some good insight.
http://www.ronpaulwarroom...
http://ronpaulchat.net/dr...

so it seems that abstaining from a vote is the key word here

if anyone has more time and can research this more please post your results...this can give ALOT OF HOPE AND ENERGY TO THE RON PAUL MOVEMENT AT THIS TIME!!!

Delegate revolt

You need to look at the 1860 Republican Convention (Lincoln's nomination).It wasn't a total revolt,but there were several candidates and many abstained in the first vote,which allowed them to vote however they wanted in the second.And some from (Ohio) switched their vote from who they voted on the second vote, to Lincoln on the third vote which swung the election in his favor.(The Lincoln delegates whispered to the Ohio delegates that Lincoln would give them what they were seeking in the candidate they had been voting for).

Interesting-Thanks!

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

aha!!! they abstained!!!

this is fantastic...can you provide a link to this knowledge!!!
WE NEED IT RIGHT A WAY!!!

Abstaining

I might have spoken too quick about how Lincoln came by his votes,but there are plenty other instances were delegates have abstained from voting to alter the outcome.In Lincoln's case there were several candidates and they didn't have to abstain,they just had to give one candidate the proper amount of votes.But in the case of the 2008 nomination abstaining can come into play very much.If a large number of the other candidates delegates choose to abstain from voting (McCain,Romney,Guiliani,etc.) and Ron Paul's delegates vote it could throw McCain's numbers below the amount needed and there would have to be a second vote.Then if the Ron Paul delegates do a little bit of Lincoln strategy they could garner enough votes to topple McCain. Here's some links to get a better look at things.
http://www.greatamericanh...
http://article.nationalre...
http://www.mrlincolnandne...

Just wait

till McSame has his Howard Dean moment, the Delegates will be freed.

so if he drops out..say for medical reasons...

then all of his delegates are up for grabs? or can he suggest who to have them vote for? Is there a legal precedent or procedure on this??

and we must be ready!!!!

there are so many projects people can still get involved with!! to elect Dr. Paul!!!

Medicated McCain

Yep the day when he forgets to take his meds he'll go off and be his true self.

Or

he over meds and pisses himself like he is prone to do.

How many of us

are nurses looking for a short term gig?

wow new breaking news on this is now available!!!

I will post it as soon as I figure out all the details!!!

this is FANTASTIC NEWS!!!

Well, I still know the news, but someone mentioned above that

there are trolls and watchers out there, and what I know is highly secretive...so lets just say that the reason I have not given up is due to what I know and that most people don't have a clue about....

suffice to say....this campaign IS NOT OVER ...and that is the best I can do without saying what I know about.....

We're waiting...

C'mon, Jdayh. What's up ?

Jdayh?

What is it?! At least give us a clue!

news about what?

news about what?

Well, I still know the news, but someone mentioned above that..

there are trolls and watchers out there, and what I know is highly secretive...so lets just say that the reason I have not given up is due to what I know and that most people don't have a clue about....

suffice to say....this campaign IS NOT OVER ...and that is the best I can do without saying what I know about.....

---if you knew how many committed delegates there actually were...you would campaign as hard as if he were already nominated.....I MEAN HARD CORE...GO AFTER OBAMA..INDEPENDENTS, AND former Huckster/mccains.

Is'nt that

what happened with Lincoln?

WHY

Why can't the delegates simply vote "no confidence" in John McCain and then let a true "brokered convention" begin....then when the hardcore politicking begins...push for Ron Paul? Of course a little info before hand wouldn't hurt...but just getting the Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, etc. supporters to vote "No Confidence" in John McCain ought to be fairly easy and would be an excellent starting point.... If can't get Ron Paul nominated, then anyone is better than McCain.

they shut down the

they shut down the possiblility of a brokered convention because they know the would loose. We have been robbed of our vote-diebold or not!

"The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility, and out of self interest -- for himself, his family, and the future of his country -- to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state."Ron

We can do it!

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We believe it is possible to win the hearts and minds of enough of the National Delegates and Alternates to the RNC this September, that Ron Paul can still win.

Abraham Lincoln got the nomination starting with only one state behind him in the first round, and in 2004 Missouri, for one, proved that a state's delegates can simply absstain for a round and unbind themselves.

We have started the National DVDs for Delegates Project in order to make this happen this year.

Help us! We still need delegate lists, money for production and postage, and organizers in each state.

Please Donate to or Join with us Now!

Evan Cutler,
National DVDs for Delegates Project, Organizer
www.dvds4delegates.com and
http://ronpaul.meetup.com...
Alaska Ron Paul Delegates, Organizer
http://ronpaul.meetup.com...
Alaska DVD for Delegates, Organzier
http://www.ronpauldelegat...

BTW I wholeheartedly agree with you !!!

I have a couple questions though..

1--have you sent any dvds out to national delegates yet?

2-- did you receive feedback from any of those you sent?

3-- if you haven't, sent any to national delegates yet, what type of results did you get from you state...(ie, did you convert 10%-15%, etc)

4-- and , just to make sure I understand, this target is not for state delegates, its for national delegates.. right??

not going to happen

As long as the vast majority of the American people, Republican voters and GOP delegates see Ron Paul as an extremist loon (which is currently the case, if you weren't aware), there is no way there is going to be a delegate revolt in favor of Ron Paul.


"Know what you know, know what you don't know, and understand and appreciate the distinction."

Advocating for minarchical libertarianism since 1984...

Ive been following your posts for some time now

Just what is it about Ron Paul that you like? In what way DO you identify with the Revolution? All you do is poke your face through the screen door and tell everyone to stay off the lawn. Still...Happy Father's Day.

Minarchist's patent response to everything

is "Just become Neocons, so we don't feel embarrassed in front of them, and they'll accept us".
"The mind-numbed media robots will never say good things about us as long as we're different'.

Yeah! That's the ticket!

I don't know but what difference is that going to make

if our guy isn't even IN the race by then??

Ron Paul and Rommney

suspended their campaigns which is like saying "I'll stop spending money but if he kicks the bucket I'm still in". I hope their both right but I'm voting Ron Paul.

What happened in 1960?

If you go here and click on "What happened in 1960?" you see what can happen with good people take action.

It doesn't have to have immediate consequences -- but it CAN have consequences.

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Bill Greene, founder
Delegates for Ron Paul
http://www.DelegatesForRo...

Perhaps this is the wrong thread...

Increasingly, McInsane has been "challenging" Obama to a series of townhall debates starting immediately, before both conventions...

Wouldn't that be grand? Especially if B.O. were to insist on a more open forum? Where his ability to speak on his feet would outshine McInsane's trouble reading a teleprompter...

Imagine McInsane's position in the polls dropping from a 5% underdog to a 25%+ well before the Republican convention... Or worse. What would the GOP do? Have him call an end to it? It was his idea. He would then drop further, as he would be seen as ducking B.O.

What do you do if you are the Party, and coming into mid august your "candidate" is a 30 point underdog, and the media is laughing at him?

What if Al-Sadr gets tired of putting up with the Iraqi governments attacks?

I truly hope B.O. takes McInsane up on his townhall debates...

Great idea

We should push the OB crowd on this, let the RNC debate a dead horse. I think it is time to log into to yahoo and stir the pot.

I believe I heard something about the Barry Goldwater...

campaign somewhere. It was before my time though so I can't say that I know the story. But I think there was some sort of infiltration that tipped the scales in his favor.

If you are a Nevada delegate or know of anyone who is, visit this website!!
http://nevadagopconventio...
Historic moment at Washington State Convention can be seen at minute 4!!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...

well...can we at least fire up the blimp for one last fling

load it up with RP supporters, drop trau and moon the bastards at the RNC?

HAHAHA!!!

I like your idea! I would love to be on that blimp mooning those fools =D

"Live for nothing, or Die for something" ~ Rambo

That would be fantastical! Civil disobedience? :-)

Well, we might just as well go all the way! Let's open the blimp windows and literally $h!t on them!!! Now that would be sensational!

(Ok, enough fantasizing; of course Ron Paul would dissaprove of it D=)

Good laugh; thanks Jinc.

Also, it's very difficult to taser anybody,

when they are in a balloon!

Watch out when you come down, though.
Preferably in a different state.

Moot question--Looks like

Moot question--Looks like it's over now. Depending on the announcement in the next 24.

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We're still fighting for it in Louisiana

Our caucus votes were not even counted but we won fair and square! So many rules were broken even before the caucus began it pretty much voided it. They knew Paul was going to win, so they deliberately broke rules in an attempt to invalidate our delegates and theirs.

i don't know...

but i know one thing for sure...

these people......these creeps......who dare use our good names in vain for the purpose of rewarding themselves - who dare make their lives more convenient at the expense of another's sufferings.....who would dare charge us all for acts of treason the universe knows we have not committed.....

they know what is coming.
they have plans.

and i clearly say to their frightened faces...
it matters not what you do now. you're done.
look at me.
look at me straight in my eye sockets.
and tell me you haven't seen these eyes before.
and you will know perfectly well that your next move, will be your last.
these words are the end of you.....and a new beginning.
one that does not include you, and all the better for it.

the time has come for humans to be awakened.

damn I love this passion ...I wish more people felt the way

you do....Are you a delegate??

1968 Democratic National Convention

The selection of a Presidential nominee was particularly difficult for the Democrats that year because of the split in the party over the Vietnam War, President Lyndon B. Johnson's decision not to seek re-election (announced March 31), and Robert Kennedy's assassination (June 6). On one side, Eugene McCarthy, ran a decidedly anti-war campaign, calling for immediate withdrawal from the region. On the other side, Vice President Hubert Humphrey, from Minnesota, who did not participate in any primaries but controlled enough delegates to secure the nomination, called for a policy more in line with President Johnson's, which focused on making any reduction of force contingent on concessions extracted in the Paris Peace Talks.

The Democrats eventually nominated Humphrey, who went on to lose the election to Richard M. Nixon. The confusion of the convention, and the unhappiness of many liberals with the outcome, led the Democrats to begin reforms of their nominating process, increasing the role of primaries and decreasing the power of party delegates in the selection process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

Latinos for Ron Paul

Help Nevada restart the state convention

You may have heard what happened recently in Nevada where the state Republican convention was recessed because Ron Paul delegates were on the verge of winning most of the delegates to the national convention. If you would like to help restart the convention, see the link below for more information.

http://www.nevadahomeowne...

All this talk about delegates may work in some states, but...

How about this scenario:

At the convention, when they are taking the votes, the leader of the GOP from say, Florida, stands up and says, "Florida gives all 150 votes to John McCain", when in reality the delegates never even got a chance to vote!.

The rationale used by the leader is that "Hey, we're bound to vote for McCain, so there is no need to take an actual vote.".

If this is true, how does this affect the dialog about delegates here, if at all?

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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969

Could they open themselves

Could they open themselves up to a class-action lawsuit? Let's look into our legal options if such a thing happens.