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Let's go to the convention
Posted April 2nd, 2008 by roben
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Question To long time republicans.
What will happen if the delegates get to the September national convention ....and ...... instead of voting for John McCain they vote for Ron Paul??
Would they be punished? How?
Stripped of their title delegate?
There is not a law that they cannot vote for Ron Paul right??
Only a party rule right?
If they break the rule would they be kicked out of the party?
Who would be afraid of that?? WHO?
They cannot be jailed or tortured can they?
Would they be sent to Iraq?
Tell me what is the worst thing that would happen??
If a thousand delegates that are pledged to McCain didn't vote for McCain what would happen to them??
Really!!!!
What is the worst thing that can happen??
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Ron Paul supporters support principle over party.
So in the words of our forefathers...
Lets sit this one out ...
No, in honor of RP, in ROUND 1, do what you were elected to do
If it goes to Round 2, then all bets are off.
And, brother, will the "smoke-filled back rooms" come into play, then:(
If a Dem super-delegate was attempting to sell his vote for $20 *million* dollars, what can Romney's money buy?
How many other candidates have "stealth delegates" as a result of "publicly posted instruction" from RP supporters ?
Romney? Huckabee? Lou Dobbs?
I believe I've even seen Hillary being quoted that it's "about delegates".
Roben, what do you think the *ramifications* will be?
Given the fact that several state GOP orgs have already put into place total blocks for RP delegates to the national RNC, do you really think that the national GOP won't simply *assign* bound votes by state for the appropriate candidate FOR THE FIRST ROUND?
If it were me, I would already know exactly how many delegates were bound to vote by McCain for each state, as well as the grand total of bound votes for McCain before I convened the convention.
In fact, I would publish them, so any disputes could be resolved ahead of time.
There have already been many discussions on DP and RPFs about such a "revolt", as well as numerous articles and Fox interviews about such a "revolt" by *RP supporters*.
Do such discussions/articles help or harm those whose states still have to elect national delegates?
More importantly, let's say that any such revolt becomes visible, whether it succeeds or fails.
Can you imagine the media reports ***against*** the RP supporters?
The headlines would be about the "revolt" with minimal mention of the GOP nominee at all, whoever it might be.
Per public posts, if bound delegates defy their states and vote for RP IN ROUND ONE, they will be escorted out of the convention.
If *you* are the one who is escorted out and shown to the entire country:
1. Will your family be embarrassed and have to deal with interviews about your actions?
2. Will your *employer* fire you for being embarrassed by your unethical action of defying the rules under which you were elected?
3. Will you have eliminated any future political career, because you broke your word/the rules under which you were elected?
I cannot believe that RP would *ever* accept the nomination under such circumstances, because it would be a total violation of his own personal value system and integrity.
So, all of these *publicly posted* discussions and articles about "revolts" have likely already eliminated RP's possibility of speaking at the RNC.
It is highly unlikely that RP would accept any nomination based on such actions.
That means that these proposed actions have nothing to do with RP's expressed wishes of building a power base over time within the GOP, but everything to do with disrupting the convention in such a way that RP, all of his legitimate supporters, and the GOP party will be permanently damaged.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT RP REQUESTED THE GRASS ROOTS TO DO! AND SUCH ACTIONS BETRAY EVERYTHING THAT RP HAS STOOD FOR OVER HIS LONG CAREER!
Frankly, all of you posting in favor of such a publicly visible disruption *IN RP'S NAME* scare the h*** out of me!
Question: At what point do these discussions legitimately meet "terrorist plans of actions" in terms of the Patriot Act, or even the use of tasers due to riots or triggering riots at the RNC?
If the various RP events being planned are dealing with security arrangements, I can only imagine the security arrangements, *training*, and instructions being given for St. Paul.
And it won't matter whether the person who is the trigger is an RP supporter or someone hired to appear to be an RP supporter to disrupt the RNC.
Thank you
For the worse case scenario
Making plans
To make history !!
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The worst thing for this country is to not oppose the CFR control of this election and allow them to continue destroying the freedoms of this country.
What about abstaining for
What about abstaining for the first ballot?
I think an alternate would
I think an alternate would come in. We need to be the guys in the white hats. The "good" Republicans. We can accomplish SO much in the next 4 years..
I avoid listening to Hillary
if I can possibly get out of it. But I am pretty sure I am hearing her ask delegates to switch to her.
Will you
Go to the convention even if you are not a delegate and bring your Ron Paul signs to demonstrate support for him outside the convention center?
What MUST happen first
What MUST happen before you do this is we have the convention process for 2 days, then the presidential nomination day. The KEY thing that HAS TO BE DONE for you to be effective is a call for a "vote of no confidence in John McCain". If that motion is carried, then we immediately move to unbind the delegates. If that motion also carries THEN we can vote in Dr. Paul.
Learn the procedure and system if you plan on attending the conventions as a delegate, alt, or at large. Reads Robert's Rules of Order and watch some conventions on youtube or public meetings on CSPAN to get familiar with how a convention works.
Vote Ron Paul!
No free person is bound to do anything, read the Constitution. We also have Unalienable rights from God to do what we belief is right.
Haha..
.. you sound like you think you are living in an anarchy.
You ARE bound to laws that don't violate the Bill of Rights. The Constitution defines how laws and penalties are legislated, judged and executed and also how those functions are divided between the federal and states.
Civil disobedience is breaking the law in protest, and is cool, like Dr. Paul says, IF you are willing to pay the price.
You have no "right" to do anything and be free of consequences even if it is a Creator given right....
and you sound like a McCain Lover!
By the way, are you a delegate yet?
Good luck,
Latinos for Ron Paul
Umm..
.. which of my assertions do you disagree with? Or are you just content to call me a name?
=)
Yeah, Mart! And I hear you
Yeah, Mart! And I hear you couldn't hold SGP's jock, is that right? Filthy rumors ... *tsk tsk*
Ewww...
=P
What ...
one too many marts to funch? ;-)
Since "martfuncher"..
.. is a spoonerism (swapping the first two letters) it means "anti-fartmuncher" kind of like "anti-onevoiceoftreason".
;)
In most states...
In most states the "delegates bound" rules are actually state statutes or backed up by state statute and you can have a civil case brought against you by both the state and the party.
If you lose a civil case you have to pay BOTH SIDES legal expenses and possibly a fine.
If you are willing to pay the expenses and fines then go for it. If you aren't willing or able to pay then research your states party rules and state statutes before you "revolt".
A state law can't be enforced
in another state.
Revolt
may be the only answer....
In the..
... traditional sense, perhaps.
;)
Previous examples?
Are there any past examples of civil suits being brought against a delegate and how much were the fines?
We have money bombs for other things so we could chip in if someone actually has a suit brought against them!
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson
Google..
.. this ["court case" bound delegates "national convention"] (include the quote marks) and you will find various court cases involving national conventions and delegates.
They don't happen very often, but then again having the delegates of a candidate with 4% of the primary vote trying to take delegates away from the presumptive nominee probably has never even happened before.
The spirit of the statutes and rules regarding "delegates bound" simply try to cause the percentage of delegates who support a candidate at the convention match the percentage of the vote that candidate received in the primaries. Barring vote fraud in the primary, this seems infinitely fair and reasonable to me. If vote fraud is an issue then the vote fraud needs to be addressed separately.
The big issue here is that Dr. Paul's clear message, vision and his recent efforts have been focused on becoming part of the GOP for the future and to have the delegates participate in the future. A delegate "revolt" would only serve to defy Dr. Paul's clear message to his supporters, impede his progress in what he is working to do and in the end only embarrass him.
I understand that people want to have a "Braveheart" headrush and make a big Hollywood-style statement, but that will do nothing to help in building a coalition for future work in a political party. That's just not how political parties work... at all.
Political parties are about building coalitions through persuasion. If someone wants to "revolt" why not just go find or form another party? Revolting certainly won't aid in building any coalition for the future within the GOP which is Dr. Paul's precise vision...
If you're on the verge of bankruptcy anyway
go for it! Vote Ron Paul!
Lawsuits be damned.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Haha..
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Will they roll civil case fines and legal expenses into a bankruptcy?
Possible civil suit by the party???
___________
Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Yup...
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where
where has this been hidding ??
What I read somewhere
I probably read here or somewhere that the chair of the state delegation, if bound, simply submits the total votes for the specified candidate. In other words, there is no need to poll that state's delegation since they are bound.
So, there may not be an opportunity to voice your vote, legalities and penalties, if any, aside, until the round at which they are unbound.
The best option is still to unbind as many as possible. To do this, keep spreading information on the stuff the Democrats will surely use against McCain, and the project to send DVD's about Ron Paul to all delegates, is a very good one.
IMissLiberty
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If most of the delegates want to vote for Ron Paul even tho they are pledged to McCain those delegates could chose a spoksman that wanted Dr. Paul ,and have him cast the votes for Dr. Paul.
What could the party do then?? That is what I want to know??
Good Question
I'm hearing that you can vote for whoever you want after a 1st round, if McCain doesn't get total delegates needed to win nomination.
If this is the case then it would seem we got to do all we can to keep 1st round ending up being for McCain.
I'm praying, telling people McCain is a liberal, Bush "third term" is a good analogy to use.
I donated yesterday to Paul(what little I had).
Some are suggesting Bob Barr ( www.bobbarr.org ) , former Republican congressman from Georgia turned Libertarian might run.
I believe we still got a slim chance to win Presdiential nomination and a good chance to get many RP Repubs in Congress and Senate.
IMO, There is still hope and were building a truly good movement that will last and will be built upon from this day forward. We will gain victory and we will dominate the party one day. Liberty will never die!!!
Davy C Rockett
http://www.thelibertypost...
http://screamfreedom.blog...
http://liberty-central.bl...
Before the first round of voting...
Before the first round of voting there will be a "unity vote" round.
At appropriate times over the next few months, Ron Paul delegates will be instructed by Ron Paul HQ to join the unity vote in support of McCain. These communications have already begun. Ron Paul wants nothing to do with overriding the voting results of the primaries and he does not want anybody to "revolt".
Dr. Paul WOULD like an opportunity to speak at the convention.
Dr. Paul's hope is that as many of us as possible will become delegates and stay delegates into the future and for us to be friendly and genial with GOP members with the hope of convincing the ones that supported Reagan that we are the true conservatives in the spirit of Reagan's message and that the neocons are pretenders who are actually ultra-liberal ex-trotskyite communists that Reagan despised.
Dr. Paul is working towards the future...
Ae you in contact with HQ?
Where did you get the above heads up on delegate instruction for a unity vote?
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson
I am hearing..
.. it from people I trust. Unfortunately, I can't post other peoples e-mails without their consent and I have not even asked them.
If you are suspicious of me, then just keep the info in mind for when you hear it again from a more "official" source(if you are a delegate).
Very suspicious of you...
You are the Anti-Dr. Parent......
You seem to only have only one message on Daily Paul......"Ron Paul delegates will be instructed by Ron Paul HQ to join the unity vote in support of McCain"
Latinos for Ron Paul
Umm..
.. have you perused my gardening posts?
And, of course, ANYONE who is "anti-SGP", as you say, MUST be pro-McCain. And demonic. And a freedom-hater. And a shill. They just must be. A kind of "guilt by un-association".
*rolls eyes*
Except that being against delegates "revolting" does not logically equate to being against Ron Paul supporters becoming delegates and working within the GOP long term as Ron Paul has clearly instructed. Dozens of times on Daily Paul I have praised SGP's delegate process education efforts. However, if a delegate "revolts" it blows the whole "long term" thing. I am sorry that the logical parsing seems too complex and/or inconvenient for you.
But if it gives you a feeling of empowerment or makes you feel good to call me names then I am glad I can brighten your day.
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Could Ron Paul People that
Could Ron Paul People that have to vote for McCAin, just refuse to Show up?
Tracy
Sure..
.. but an alternate would take their place. And if no Ron Paul alternate was available they would fill those slots with McCain people...
who deleted this post?
I would like to know the answer to what would happen if delegates do not vote as instructed by party rules???
Hey...what happened...
...to the earlier post of this topic? I don't know if it was put up by the same poster (seems like the same wording), but the previous post on this already had a number of comments on it...
Republicans
................. They may have liked McCain and changed their minds for some reason.
Regardless of how or why they decided to vote for someone else what would happen??? ...............................If you have been active in the .......... republican party before ......... please tell me what would happen if ..... hundreds or even a thousand delegates voted for Ron Paul???