Zeitgeist-The Movie
Posted April 3rd, 2008 by imunplugged
output
Just wondering who on here has seen this movie.
I'm not interested in debating with others about the validity of it.
I watched it and in my opinion it answered a lot of questions that I had never been able to answer.
Interested in what others think.
Bookmark/Search this post with:
there is more..
If you liked Zeitgeist go here http://www.talismanicidol... and watch "Esoteric Agenda"
"Great men do not seek power, they have great power thrust upon them" - Klingon proverb
www.myspace.com/chapel_of...
www.ronpaul2008.com
Interesting, thanks for the link.
Seemed to leave more questions unanswered than answered, though. Zeitgiest has a more logical, linear trajectory, yet this vid seemed to 'bounce around'. It seemed to contradict itself by saying there are no emotions, then later talking about the strength of emotions, and then how there are only two emotions: fear and love.
A little scattered, but still interesting.
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
Ask the Gnostics maybe they know.
Ask the Gnostics maybe they know.
On April 3rd, 2008 iehuvihs says:
Gnostics tend to believe that Jesus is the Devil coming in the flesh and God in spirit entered the flesh, black and white, evil and good, ying and yang, or whatever you may suppose. The spirit overcomes the flesh or in other words the Creator holds dominion over the Creature. But this is just what I heard as I am happy to wait until I speak directly with God as to listen to words from men.
If viewed as entertainment alone
it scares the hell out you. If someone had marketed the film as alternative history, it would have sold.
Alternate history you say.
Then the film must be talking about an alternate reality because on 9/11
a couple of laws of physics were broken. I would get into them with you but you would meerly pass them off as alternate science.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
Probably the most talked about movie of the year
In My opinion people who deny the realities of this film have their heads firmly stuck in the sand. In "real" life you can't base a logical judgement using a fable to qualify a point. I'm talking about a belief in something that cannot be proven. A belief in god can not be proven and never could. It is purely based on blind faith.
We know that the 911 fiasco was inpossible the way the government and Media portrayed it.
We know that the NWO is being implemented.
We know that the north american Union is being implemented.
What more reality do you need before you pull your head out and take a look at what's really happening in this world.
Bible is Accurate
The bible is quite accurate in it's predictions about what is happening in the world around us TODAY...check out Revelation...Daniel...and the gospels. It's right on the money...including Israel's part in the scenario. We are headed for a one world order....that's predicted with a one world leader, one world "religion" (UN is working hard on this one), and an eventual Armageddon. If one doesn't believe the Bible's description of the past...perhaps the description of the future would be a bit more convincing. It's amazing how it fits right into the topics of today. Particulary all the God "scoffers"...they are doing their predicted part. It is wise to get "ready" physically...but one would be wise to get their spiritual house in order as well....
Unless the people in power
Unless the people in power are carrying out their plans in accordance with the stories in Revelation, Daniel and the gospel to make all the believers think God is the one controlling everything.
New Theory?
Oh, now there's a new Conspiracy Theory...that one has been done through the Lucis foundation which was first called the Lucifer foundation in England (tied in with the UN )....they actually believe that Lucifer is going to win in the end...interesting to read about.
Since there are fewer and fewer believers as we become a more secular dominant society...wonder how they are convincing all the other sheeple...the majority not going to church and reading their Bibles ???
I don't think I'd depend on the masses knowledge of the Bible to promote any great universal plan.
I'm just playing devil's
I'm just playing devil's advocate!
Good job.
Good job. : )
Sorry man. I couldn't
Sorry man. I couldn't resist. Thanks for having a great sense of humor!
Quite accurate, like it has
Quite accurate, like it has all happened before. Or maybe its that mankind will live up to these 'predictions'. Or maybe we're all living a predetermined fate. Its all like...BOO!
I have noticed that many believe they will get to leave their troubles behind after rapture. That 'give up' attitude hiding behind a pronouncement of faith really is annoying....NOT implying you (bdunn) are doing this, just sayin'...
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
Makes us wonder
Well, there's the Bible...Nostradamas, the Mayans...etc. it does make one wonder....and it's all rather erie when you read it in conjunction with today's headlines. I don't have a 'give up; attitude...I believe in standing your ground and fighting for what you believe...even if you know you may lose or even die fighting for it....however, it is kinda nice to think about a reward for the good fight....I'd sure like to get back to that garden...either here or in the hereafter.
thank you
you spoke the words i lacked
you are correct about somethings dont assume things though!
you cant prove anything but you can disprove somethings evolution is bull so how else could this be?i know do you have the sack to have your foundation rocked?if so please watch 10 minutes!
http://video.google.com/v...
So how does evolution being
So how does evolution being bull constitute creation being legit?
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
Please Read a book.
The Demon Haunted World Science as a Candle in the dark.
By Carl Sagan.
Stop being so arrogant. We were once monkeys and sadly some of us still are. Get over it and Evolve
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
I will give you my house in ALASKA if you show me 1 shred of
evidence linking me to an ape" lucy" was hoax and cavemen did not ever exist stop believing everything you hear it could be misinfo or do you know everything?If you dont is it possible G D exists in the part of which you know nothing about or is it easier to look in the mirror knowing you are a filthy sinner i mean you crawled down from a tree? and have no accountabily for your dirty little habit?It is easy to dismiss G D but can you dismiss the proof of inteligent design
ps google the age of the earth by kent hovind it may help you put the real big picture together ! I will continue to pray you intillects will see there is only 1 G D everything else is a gimmick! I have seen and done alot more research then you with an open mind and the funny part is there are none so blind as those who will not see!
Oh I see, I see you haven't read this book.
or any other science reasoning for that matter.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
-- Albert Einstein
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
Oh I see, I see you haven't read this book.
or any other science reasoning for that matter.
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
-- Albert Einstein
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
Not that hard if you believe in facts
If you ever picked up a science book you would know this Kent Hovind guy is pretty much clueless. Almost everything he says is false and not scientific whatsoever, if you like debunking so much I suggest you watch the "Why do people laugh at creationists?" parts where Kent Hovind is topic of discussion a lot of the time. I'm sure you will be equally eager to watch these as we are watching what you suggest.
Part 1 on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Kent Hovind's first appearance is in part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Kent Hovind might come across as scientific and he may fulfill your 'search' for proving what you believe, but believing nonsense doesn't get you anywhere, especially if you try to spread it like you are almost annoyingly determined in doing here. Nothing personal, just that truth should actually be truth. And the fact that Ron Paul has Christian beliefs doesn't change much for our goals.
Never stop looking at sources, peace.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2279384352422173428&q=bi
http://video.google.com/v...
do you have the sack?
Thought it was
a very interesting movie and I enjoyed it. I think more people should watch it as well.
G D dont believe in athiests
But Ron Paul gets his morals and guidance from OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST!!! OR SO HE SAYS AND I FOR 1 BELIEVE HIM,BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE SAME THING! THIS STUFF ALL HAS BEEN SPOKEN BY G D AND YOU GENIUSES WILL WATCH GOOGLE BUT NOT THE BIBLE?WTF??? STUPID MOVIES ARE APLENTY BUT THERE HAS BE A BETTER STORY OOO YEA THERE IS ITS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER A THOUSAND YEARS! YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE BEST EDUCATION THAT LOVE CAN BUY STOP BELIEVING IN NEW AGE CONSPIRACY CRAP AND SEE THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS "THEY WHO HATE ME LOVE DEATH!"PROVERBS KJV
The Bible
Was written by man.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
I may disagree with my fellow
Christians on some of their conclusions on what the Bible says, but the Bible was NOT written by man.......http://www.wordworx.co.nz/panin.html
This man and his research is REAL.
hey buddy watch zeitgeist debunked
i assume you did not. please i beg you to see this new age thing is funded by the illuminatti the only thing they all have in common is they wont accept JESUS CHRIST why is everyone now out to get him (JC)? and why do they feel the need to attack 1 man that still LIVES for eternity
why not attack the devil worshippers why attack and renounce a MAN that was only trying to help while everyone seems to protect paganism ?
go pound sand if you fit into this catagory but if not why does this movement aim for something that you say is no even true and answers alot of your questions if you want answers like that join theosophical society(devils religion)but if you want the real scoop read the KJV i am very into knowing how my enemy works and do very much believe zeitgeist has SOME good info but not the important stuff of coarse the people back in the day followed the sun and stars for the crops equonox,solstice ect. but to bring a totally peacefull man up to try an assasinate him for what reason would be the second time this has been done dont talk slick of things you know nothing about just because you seen a movie if you need some land or a bridge i got for sale!
Well put
Your thoughts are spot-on. I hate to harp on this because my English is certainly not perfect, but it would be great if you used a spell checker. I would hate to see your messages lose their impact because too many mis-spelled words and grammar errors distract from the good content of your posts.
sorry not trying to lose the battle
i dont know how to use spell check ! this new age stuff is really pissing me off and i need to cool down these guys seem to be thirsty for the truth and who better to explain it then a fellow RPer?the only problem is i am a construction worker with very little time to try and show others the way that was shown to me .I have so much info on this stuff and cant type or spell and so much to do and time is not on the confused peoples side!
we need to show these people the truth about Dr Kent Hovind and some people who have dedicated their lives for the LORD are mentally superior to those who refuse" to see with there eyes or hear with their ears" I am a father a brother a husband a friend a RP supporter but most of all a son of G D!
So you are mentally superior
So you are mentally superior to me because I don't believe? I take serious offense to that.
I cant even spell dude !
I am a feeble minded construction worker all i am saying is dont cut your nose off despite your face! You obviously are looking for answers ! I would not want to offend you i just want you to know there is so much info to believe 1 movie is obsurd i know this because when zeitgeist came out i was telling every one what a great movie till i seen Dr Kent Hovind,zeitgeist debunked and learned of a guy named RON PAUL all in the same year! THANK YOU LORD FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY!!!!!
we are all brother and it is with love that i tell you to learn both side before jumping to rash decisions that WILL effect you FOREVER and if we are wrong you will not know it anyway ,so for me there is no choices only facts
i am a person that will only believe in reason of deduction and faith is much harder to have but the facts are urefutable!
if i found the way then anyone can find the way!dont be a prisoner of lies please we need truth justice and accountabilty not this new age movement!
Frampton...
"showed Me the way". woo - hooo ...Frampton is god ...ummm or was that Clapton .... wtvr.
__ _____ _____ _____ ______ ______ _____ ___
"The time is near at hand which we must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves."
George Washington
First President of the USA.
http://digitaldiesel.net/...
Thank you for your thoughts ...
I have to respectfully disagree, however. I grew up Catholic -- not a devout Catholic, but Catholic nonetheless. In the years since I have left the church, I feel that I am seeing things clearly for the first time. You absolutely have the right to believe what you wish (I have several friends who are devout and we are very close), but so do I. :-)
yes but are all here to help each other
i also grew up catholic and till this year didnt have a clue about the truth
I am a truther and a kook for 7 years now and till recent did not believe the bible as literally first the right bible is not the catholic version the kjv is proven buy the majority text and matched against dead sea scrolls in 1850s and word for word exact the alexandrian texts (catholics bible is not the real story look and see the difference
http://video.google.com/v...
if you like facts not religion watch this
if you like that this is the real deal here also
http://video.google.com/v...
the government thew him and his wife in jail for over 200 years this is the real deal bro! the guy is a science teacher and has more info than i can shake a stick at i dare you to watch!
What?
What?
If you liked Zeitgeist,
you will love Illuminati Bloodlines
of Power!Part 1-31 on Youtube.
It goes into even more detail
about a lot of things.A must see!
Excellant Movie
Amazing film!
All Parts are excellant!
Parts 1 and Parts 3 are really unique, and a true educational revelation and breakthrough.
____
The only thing that I did not like so much was the very lengthy montage of War images and jarring music at the very, very beginning. They seemed to overdo that idea way too much to the point of being unnecessarily long, and the film could have been edited down a little there.
The more you research
The more you research the more you realize you have been lied to. For those caught in the matrix of religon Im sorry. Many mention I like parts 2 and 3 but disregard part one because it goes against their make believe god that has been preached to them since they were children. If one could use the brain in a more open way and start from scratch part one also would make a lot of sense. How better to control a society than to give them an all seeing god that will punish them with forever burning in hell if they do not follow. Following is the most destructive thing we do in todays world. Many do not need facts if it is spoken with intensity over and over they succumb and believe. As was the case on 911 too many took the words of the lying media and put their brains on idle,feverishly wanting some revenge and as the elite in their ivory towers sit back and laugh at the stupid sheeple ready to follow them to the gates of hell or Iraq or any one of the coming countries this administration has in store. The window of freedom is indeed closing and this revolution is to stop the government from this blatant stealing of the peoples rights and furthermore try to stop the upcoming attack we will surely have if we do not come out and protest in masses. Millions need to stand or all will fall and many in a FEMA camp. This revolution will not succeed with out a strong will and readiness to shed blood. If that is too much then we have lost this liberty we should be willing to fight to the death to preserve. Get your guns and organize the plans to take the country back. Following the rules and doing it peacefully will only yield more of the same corruption nothing will change. After Ron Pauls silenced campaign with hundreds of thousands of supporters promoting him is brushed under the rug we all should be pissed to no end.
I have got children and a grandbaby that I will gladly lay my life down to see to it they have a future of freedom. Our young men and women with a live yet to begin are dying in the false name of freedom and yet many of us in our 30's through the 50's cant muster up the bravery to fight this government that is sad!! Cmon you so called Americans are you ready to fight yet where is your line in the sand? Mine has already been crossed 5 years ago, when is yours going to be crossed when you are visited by Homeland security? that will be too late. Think , life is precious but our childrens future is more precious.
Regardless of if one
Regardless of if one believes in God or not, one cannot refute the fact that all western law is based on the Torah, the first five books of the Bible. The law of the U.S. stems from the Torah, the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence and finally the Constitution of the United States.
97th Congress
CONGRESS DECLARES THE BIBLE
“THE WORD OF GOD”
[S.J.Res. 165] 96 Stat. 1211
October 4, 1982
Joint Resolution authorizing and requesting the President to proclaim 1983 as the “Year of the Bible.”
Whereas the Bible, the Word of God, has made a unique contribution in shaping the United States as a distinctive and blessed nation and people;
Whereas deeply held religious convictions springing from the Holy Scriptures led to the early settlement of our Nation;
Whereas Biblical teachings inspired concepts of civil government that are contained in our Declaration of Independence and the constitution of the United States;
Whereas many of our great national leaders—among them Presidents Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, and Wilson—paid tribute to the surpassing influence of the Bible in our country's development, as the words of President Jackson that the Bible is “the rock on which our Republic rests”;
Whereas the history of our Nation clearly illustrates the value of voluntarily applying the teachings of the Scriptures in the lives of individuals, families, and societies;
Whereas this Nation now faces great challenges that will test this Nation as it has never been tested before; and
Whereas that renewing our knowledge of and faith in God through Holy Scripture can strengthen us as a nation and a people: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled , That the President is authorized and requested to designate 1983 as a national “Year of the Bible” in recognition of both the formative influence the Bible has been for our Nation, and our national need to study and apply the teachings of the Holy Scriptures.
Approved October 4, 1982. Passed by the President
1 U.S. Cong. & Adm. News '82-29 96 Stat. 1211
If one doesn't learn and understand the law, one cannot abide by the law. http://teamlaw.org/ can help with this.
Extremely Powerful indeed.
Though I can not for fact confirm the people mentioned in the beginning of the movie, the concept put fourth is truely believable. Its what I've felt for quite sometime now. It totally reflects human reaction, from a common sense standpoint. That is what I think, as I speak for myself only and take responsibility for same. Thank you
2 & 3 are good
Part 1 doesn't even seem like it was done by the same people. They make too many assumptions and draw on material that can't be verified (like Egyptian myths stating that Horus was born on Dec. 25, and a lot of things like that).
Yeah
I would honestly like for someone to come out and explain why no historian of the age actually wrote about the supposed christ. There were over 50 well know historians and not one wrote about Jesus. Also why it was 70 years before the first gospel was written after christ had died. Hearsay dosen't hold up well in court.
I also know the facts on evolution and the actual age of the planet which is much older than10,000 years. Biology alone discredits Adam & Eve. Why is it so hard to accept that there is a higher spirituality in the universe other than Christianity. I guess you would first have to know the true meaning of Spirituality to understand this question.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here lead by example today?
I'm no historian myself, but
I'm no historian myself, but I do know that the well-known Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, a contemporary of Jesus and chronicler of the Jewish Revolt and fall of Masada, did mention Jesus and his followers.
Oh, and Adam was not the first man
Adam lived 6-7000 years ago but there were humans on the earth before Adam. There are two creation stories. The earth is much older than 10,000 years. Go read Genesis.
I think that there were other texts that refer to Jesus
But the early Catholic church did an excellent job destroying just about everything that went against them grabbing power, besides the original Josephus quotes. Check out the Gospel of Thomes, which was lost for centuries and contains mostly sayings that can be found in the Synoptics, but there are a few lines in it which would threaten the grip of organized religion. Check out Origen, Polycarp, and Ignatius.
Pehaps the life of Jesus did not go exactly as we're told it did (for instance, there are 18 years of his life missing). But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The Elite/Illuminati are definitely evil, so there must be some good force out there to counteract it. I will never give up on that belief. Also, check out the Book of Enoch, which is an old Hebrew text with strikingly Christian content (such as the concept of a pre-existing Messiah), but was puzzlingly booted out of the Bible around the 3rd century.
By the way, the Talmud is an old text that does refer to Jesus. The Talmud claims Jesus was a sorceror, was "hung", is boiling in excrement in hell, and his mother was a whore (not to mention what it says about how to treat Christians). Notice the parallels(and twisting) of some commonly held beliefs about Jesus. Now, why would they go to such lengths to portray someone in this way if they never existed?
All kinds of weird occultic practices are acceptable these days, but if you say you believe in the Second Coming of Christ, they look at you like you're crazy. It's even weirder when it's a Baptist minister looking at you like you're crazy.
It's amazing - the Masons welcome people of all religions into their club, but why is the name "Jesus Christ" forbidden in their temples?
I do believe in ultimate Good and Evil and there has been a spiritual battle going on here for a loooong time. Just wait till the New-Age religion (Kabbalah) of the NWO gets shoved down our throats. You'll see an even more out-right assault on Christianity and the exposure of homos/Masons purposely put in high places in the church (think Ted Haggard) just to take the fall at the right time will do much to discredit Christianity.
Now go read Ron Paul's essay called "The War on Religion" to find out his view on the subject:
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
the religion piece
the whole history of religions and origins and the connection to astrology blew my mind. That movie changed me in a profound way. I watch it from time to time just to reboot my system from the propaganda that streams in our every day lives.
Me too
Did you get your hands on more, reliable info that could back any of the claims?
The last two parts...
Were awesome, and right on the money, but the first part.....well,... I don't think it had anything to do with the rest of the movie. Overall it was well worth the watch, but I am a Christian, and always will be, so the first part was a bit offensive. This is just my opinion though.
Which part was the most troubling though?
For me, it was part 1. The scope of the propaganda film was too broad, but it doesn't mean that it didn't touch on some truths. Part 1 for me wasn't as offensive (although it took some shots at conventional Christianity) as it was shocking. Just the thought that Jesus birthday could be based upon a pagan belief that the sun is born on December 25th is worth researching. If it doesn't want to make you take that next step to research the astrological findings (...died and on the 3rd day, rose again...), than you are as closed minded as say a Huckabee supporter who is against abortion but doesn't want to hear about the death of soldiers being somewhat equivalent. Don't close off with a finality of being "offended". Research to an end and draw an educated conclusion for yourself.
The winter solstice (lowest point in the sky) is December 22nd btw....