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SGP and Laurie: Cease and Desist!

Seriously, if neither one of you can pull back from the "He said/She said" petty personal bickering and behave like adults, for the sake of the Daily Paul I will be forced to flag any of your posts attacking each other ---- and I suspect I am far from alone in feeling that way.

Sorry, but you are embarrassing yourselves and distracting and depressing the rest of us with your endless sniping at each other.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!

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Personally...

I am done with the drama.. if you two cannot agree to disagree, you can both kiss my military ass. I am so fed up with the bickering... I must say Laurie.. you are not the cat's ass, and SGP.. you are not the know it all when it comes to delegates. You both need to just refrain from being rude, if not go to some other site like Obama, Hillary, or McCain that needs or wants the drama. If you want to add to this site do so by adding some substance. I must say SGP has added more to this site as far as the delegate process than anyone on here, so I must say I would rather see him post information over Laurie, especially since all she complains about is her "Personal Responsibility Crap". Be real Laurie, and start sharing important information to the campaign, and stop worrying about feelings okay. This is not about feelings, it's about our Country, and our Freedom. Direct your energy towards Ron Paul, the message, and what it will take to make his message, and his candidacy positive.

I'm out the door for the night, but have to say...

read Laurie's posts. Yes, SGP had posted delegate info on here, as others have done on other sites. So a one trick pony with an attitude... yay.

Laurie has posted hundreds of very good threads on matters from labor laws to the economy. Without alluding to or acting like she brought either into being in the first place and wanting her ass kissed for it.

So I'd rather read Laurie's posts than yet another ~I am working on Ron Paul delegate information that you can get anywhere, but here on DP I did it the loudest so bow to me~ crap.

The difference is arrogance. My pet peeve is unearned arrogance.

Buy into the cult if you want to.... I don't need yet another leader.

I agree with you...

I do not need another leader either. I come here for information, and to share, not for bickering. If bickering is what this site is offering, I guess I am at the wrong site, and will be best suited to share, and spread Ron Paul's message, and candidacy elsewhere, is that what you want Laurie, and SGP?

Where is the legitimate discussion?

www.dailypaul.com/node/45...

Many, many people have posted "two-party news bites", but where is the legitimate discussion?

And it was way more than 2 people that kept the many threads active for hours, just like this thread.

THIS IS THE DAILY PAUL, NOT THE DAILY BS

Besides that fact, How does this flagrant waste of time help Dr. paul win the election? Exactly - it doesn't help at ALL. What it has done is divide people on the same team by matters of indifference. Human nature is always the same - always on the path to destruction or conflict. Now if you two mature individuals would just realize that and control that urge, we could have been light years ahead of the game and harnessed this waste of time into something productive.

Dude...

you are on it. I wished I had said your exact words....

Are these two

married? Sheesh

Why can't we just get along?

We're here to help a person so that he may help us in return. We can't get entrenched in this petty, out-of-context battles between two individuals who may or may not have the same opinions. We have more important work to do and this is beginning to disrupt things here.

."He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

I wish that

Laurie and SGP would get together and email each other privately and let this site alone. It really is getting very annnoying and I would hate for Dr. Paul and his family to see how these people are carrying on. It is very childish and they should let it go or do it on their own time and not here.

DO RUN RON!!!!!

What "behavior rules" do you think are appropriate?

www.dailypaul.com/node/45...
What is "Taking Personal Responsibility"?

I ask some very legitimate questions in my "summary" of yesterday's DP "activity".

Freedom of association, statements based on facts...

There appear to be major differences in the interpretation of what "personal responsibility" means.

If so, that goes to the entire foundation of a "movement" that will last or simply disappear.

Wow I'm glad I've "missed" all of that!

______________________
*** God bless Ron Paul ***
* Ron Paul For President *

I wish I had..

but I missed most of it, thankfully.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

Dayenu!

for all who don't know any Hebrew- Enough! SGP -- I have greatly appreciated your info on how to become a delegate, but you are now acting too much like me on a bad day.(or my children, both of you) Please have some self-respect and take this to the private messaging service. Laurie- I would like to know what have you done to help RP get elected- if something- get at it, if nothing , there is still time.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

What are we going on now, 3 days of this B.S.??

How many threads are we going to devote to this STUPIDITY??

SGP - If she hasn't answered whatever your questions are by now, just drop it and move on. Duh. Seems as though somebody of your education and business acumen could figure out as much.

Laurie - He's going to keep on with this. Don't feed him anymore.

My goodness, do we have nothing better to do than get involved in a p*ssing contest over "She won't answer my questions" or "he keeps posting" .... you know what?? WAHHHHHHH!!!! B.F.D.

just go home and stay there...

laurie,
what the hell is YOUR problem? you're nothing but a pain in the butt and it appears no one wants you here - so why not just get the hell out?
i understand that there is an ignore feature coming very soon. so if you're not banned soon at least i can just ignore you.
i request that you be banned.
that's all folks

That's lame, sunny. For

That's lame, sunny. For instance, onevoiceofreason was a poster who needed to be banned. Laurie isn't, no matter how much you may think she goes against the omnipotent SGP. This board has turned so factitious it's ridiculous.

Does anybody have a problem with slugs?

Hard to grow a garden around here.Between the slugs,deer and rabbits,they eat everything.
(Ok,so we are trying to change the subject)

Saw dust or wood ashes kill

Saw dust or wood ashes kill off slugs.

try salt -

It dries them right up.

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

I heard if you put beer in a

I heard if you put beer in a pan and lay it in your garden it will attract the slugs and they will drown in it.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Oh

I thought you were speaking metaphorically; meaning there are slugs all over this website eating everything (all the threads).

Indeed --- I think Alaska is

Indeed --- I think Alaska is their Garden of Eden! They are not so huge here, but boy do they thrive! You can use a number of commericial antislug product, most of which are thick, gooey stuff that you dab around on the ground and they blunder into and poison themselves later on. Or, more naturally, you can use diatomaceous earth, a natural product (the fossil shells of ancient diatoms, silica-shelled plants) which looks a lot like dust or fine ashes, and which you just spread around on the ground in your garden --- they run over it, and it acts like millions of tiny bits of broken glass, shredding their skin and causing them to essentially tear themselves up. I much prefer this method!

My sister lives in Alaska

She told me about those little
slugs.Her husband is a RP
delegate going to the national convention.

Down South..

.. our slugs rarely get the size of a tootsie roll and are mostly found in cat food bowls(cat food bowls apparently being their natural habitat). A quick shake of salt on them and they are history..

(=

Our slugs are huge here

in Washington and there are
tons of them.I put out a bowl of beer and they crawl in and drown,but it doesn't help much.

Well..

.. at least they were happy for a little while before passing out.

=)

That is funny

:)

You are

funny!

Tomorrow..

.. i'm going to start making bamboo teepee cages for my tomato plants. I have a bamboo forest in the back of my property down by the creek.

=)

Fresh tomatoes and bamboo

Fresh tomatoes and bamboo shoots all in one, huh?

Don't EVER..

.. plant bamboo! I've been engaged in battle with it for like 3 years now. I didn't plant it but the previous owners of my property did. The best I can do is push it back like 10ft per year.

Forms a network of roots called "bamboo concrete" of which the only recourse is a bulldozer and losing the top two feet of your topsoil.

=|

On a positive note the baby bamboo shoots are edible, nutritious and tasty.

=)

Sounds like peppermint, or

Sounds like peppermint, or as I used to call it, "how the hell hasn't this plant overrun the entire earth by now?" I planted some back when I lived in Michigan in a little patch, bounded on all four sides by railroad ties sunk two deep, and damn if those diabolical runners from the peppermint plants didn't form an evil minty brain --- they all converged on the one hole in the ties, by the dozens, just as if they knew exactly where to go to escape, which they proceeded to do, spreading out into my lawn and my neighbor's faster than you can say "WTF?" It took me three years and lots of cursing to finally get rid of it!

If you ever plan on growing peppermint, I suggest finding a nice, isolated Pacific atoll, planting it, then running like hell and never looking back. Visit once a year to harvest and marvel at its fiendish will to live.

It would be a contest

between bamboo, mint and blackberry or raspberry bushs for the most tenacous plants on the planet. Now if we can learn how to harness their all pervading will to overcome everything in their path--we can turn it on our adversaries in positions of power.

OMG i dont think ive ever

OMG i dont think ive ever laughed harder at a DP post!

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Man, I can't believe this is continuing in the comments below! - no more personal attacks!

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my 2 cents....

This is a perfect example of why the country is in the shape it is....
is it so important to be right that you will continue to bicker back and forth.

Let it go...continue to be involved in what YOU believe in and stop worrying about those that think differently. Everyone here has a mind of their own (or else we wouldn't be here)

Does anyone really believe that what one person says about "Trevor" or "whether delegates are bound or not" or "whatever point your making" will sway every thinking person here to agree or disagree?

I gave Trevor money....do I care what he did with it...yeah, but I really can't change anything now either way. If he did a great thing with it or if he pissed it away....it's my responsibility to educate MYSELF on him before giving money.
I tried to become a delegate....do I care if delegates are bound or not...yeah, but it's up to me to decide if I want to support voting my conscience or breaking the rules.

I'm all for everyone stating their opinion...(obviously, since I'm doing it now) and all for wanting to put information up there in hopes of guiding someone else on the path I'm on.....but after that....let it go.....
Be the change you want to see...but don't expect everyone else to change with you.

Hear hear!

Too bad the mudflinging just won't stop.

There is a troll. Isn't

There is a troll. Isn't there.

WE ARE sick the FLAGGING and

WE ARE sick the FLAGGING and deleting of our posts because you are in a dispute with 1 person. THAT IS CENSORSHIP OF US!!! To me that is bordering on trolldom.

Many different people have felt the SGP threads were gossip

It's not just me in a "dispute with 1 person".

How would you feel if I starting posting all sorts of gossip and innuendoes about you *and your startup business* that could do you financial harm?

Do you think that is ethical? Moral?

I certainly don't.

And that is exactly why I have taken "personal responsibility" for holding SGP accountable for making such "opinions" that harm others with ZERO FACTS to support those "opinions".

And SGP has posted 100% erroneous statements about me several times tonight, as well. I'm beginning to think he has ADD with no impulse control-

One of the major problems with the DP software application is that you can't have a private message (PM) with someone "offline" without them getting your e-mail address. On RonPaulForums.com, there is a true PM capability, where any exchange of e-mail addresses is by mutual agreement.

So what is our choice? Censorship or personal responsibility to not *GOSSIP* with no basis in fact? And with that choice, the losers are DP and RP.

Wow, I am surprised. But you

Wow, I am surprised. But you do have a motive now. And I would be very cautious with saying that people are not allowed to speak of their opinions, OPINIONS. Because you are worried about your venture capitol..The world does not revolve around YOU and your business interests.

I don't know if you are Trevor but please be careful. There are people here who want to hear Steve Parent and the opinions about both of your postings.

Fine line. But since Trevor is not speaking up and calling it libel or slander you really don't have a leg to stand on.

Its been real but I am going to bed.

Nighty night Paul...and nighty night Laurie and SGP...

Sleep tight and don't let the annoying post bugs bite!!!

They just want to slow the fight down to victory!!!

-Liberty Girl

SGP or me?

I've contributed 400 posts of *unique* information with supporting links.

SGP simply posts the same threads over and over and over again.

Shake Hands or Take It Outside

At the risk of stepping into this fray (where I definitely don't want to be) --

SGP: I deeply respect your efforts here on DP and in general with the delegate push.

Laurie: I don't really know you, as the only posts of yours I've noticed so far are the ones addressing SGP's actions. Perhaps you've written thoughtful posts, but I missed seeing them.

Whatever issues you have with each other, would you kindly remove it to another locale, such that your own squabbles cease to distract from the main efforts of liberty we are trying to address here?

It could be argued that your discussions contain information relevant to the cause; however, due to the level of contention your disagreements have created, I fear any possible relevance is outweighed by the distracting interference of your tea-party posts. Perhaps you both feed on this offensive / defensive drama; for the rest of us, it serves merely as a divisive poison.

Hopefully, you both hear and understand the polite tone of my request. I do wish to be respectful, and I suspect both of you would like to be respected yourselves. Sadly, any respect either of you have built up is quickly eroding due to less than mature interactions. Many (most) here do not care who is "right" or who is "wrong" in your debate...we simply don't want to be placed into the position of forced voyeurs to your play (even if we don't click on your posts, their headlines appear in the sidebar, often taking up lots of room there).

So please do us (and yourselves) a favor, and take it outside. Use personal email, set up your own website where you two can hash it out with each other without an audience, or whatever other solution that removes your debates from the DP.

Clearly, you both have intelligent minds and strong wills -- these are valuable traits for the cause of liberty! Don't waste such gifts on childish squabbling.

At the very least...please, not here.

/steps back out of fray, hopeful not to be involved in this any further

I have over 400 posts of content with links

On a wide variety of topics. I'm surprised you aren't aware of them.

I was ready to sign off earlier, only to find that SGP had totally reposted all of his threads "expressing his opinions" against Trevor Lyman, particularly when he has posted he HAS NO FACTS to support his statements.

Almost everyone else on DP includes links to support their statements. The only link SGP used to support his "opinions" about Trevor actually pointed much more towards a totally different person.

I can't respect a gossip like that.

I also think it is extremely harmful for one well-known supporter to be posting such destructive "opinions" against another well-known supporter.

What happens to the "movement" when the delegate issue is over, if the "movement" is splintered into different "camps"?

My links are from an article

My links are from an article wriiten about how Trevor and the rest of the officers took $7000 each right off the top in profit plus salaries?

I didn;t write the article it from what the article says it is facts from one of the owners so Laurie i will take a former owenr and former employees over yours any day.

Tell us again why you did'nt become a delegate and why you didn't join a meetup group but you defend Trevor like you are his attorney?

Dr. Steve Parent

SGP, you're so funny!

Anyone want to count all the spelling/punctuation errors again?

You seem to be forgetting what you stated in your words in your post: "Could it be there was actually fraud and money being used for other things or even personal gain as the people in this article claim?"

You can't even keep your own story straight!

And you think my posts have been like an *attorney*? You're kidding, aren't you? You are sooo funny, SGP!

Laurie, whatever value this

Laurie, whatever value this argument you have had with Steve has been lost --- all we now hear is personal sniping and attacks. You may be utterly in the right, but after a certain point it becomes irrelevant. Please be the bigger person, and stop beating this dead horse.

SGP agreed to stop earlier tonight.

SGP then totally reposted all of his gossip threads.

Please ask *SGP* to stop beating this dead horse (let alone Trevor), when he admits he has no FACTS.

I could care less what a group of anonymous people thinks of me.

However, if SGP intends to remain a highly visible person in *relation to RP*, he should be worried about what people think of *him*.

What would RP think of SGP's recent actions and "opinions" (gossip) about Trevor Lyman?

And if SGP is going to "wig out" this badly, isn't it better for all to realize it sooner, rather than later?

FanofWalt, well said! Thank

FanofWalt, well said! Thank you for saying it all so much better than I did, or could have. Now let's just hope your wise words are heeded.

JUST STOP IT!!!!!

GOD DAMN IT, JUST STOP IT!!!!