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Absolute Must Listen: Our Confusing Economy, Explained

This is a 40 minute interview with Michael Greenberger on NPR that explains exactly what is going on with the economy in language that anyone can understand. Please find the time sometime this weekend to take a listen and add your comments below.

Thank you Stephen for sending this along.

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very good

response to meambobbo

You are absolutley right. There is inherently nothing wrong with speculating or "betting" on interest rates. This is the essence of capitalism and free markets. DO NOT give any credibility to this interview. The guy is all wet.

Download Link?

ANYONE got an MP3 of this. I have ZERO interest in sitting in front of my computer listening to a 40 minute audio file thats what the 80 minute drive to work is for

OH COME ON!

This is the best we can find to casually explain this crisis?!?!?!?

This logic is the exact same logic that gave us 4 terms of FDR denouncing Hoover and expanding his fascism in the good favor of hitler and mussolini.

Speculation = betting
Speculation = bad

Whatever - that's what entrepreneurs are paid to do. Without some degree of speculation/betting, there would be no capital investment, and there would have been no industrial revolution...or even the wheel!

Oh, and don't bets have winners and losers? Shouldn't this pass responsibility for betting onto those who bet?

"BUT THEY ARE BETTING WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S FUTURES!!!!!"

That's how fascism works; you're all on the hook for the bad decisions of the "experts," whether they be private or public, although they are most definitely put their by privilege. Actually its better to alternate blunders, so that the private/public FED can sort out the mess for the American people, and explain to them why we need more state power...and somehow a larger disparity of wealth.

REGULATION IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. It hinders markets and can be used as a new form of privilege, creating negative impacts upon the economy. Rather, let bad business fail and be replaced by good business. Reduce moral hazard by removing privileges like subsidies and tax-payer bail-outs. Allowing these simple principles to operate is all the regulation businesses need: put their ass on the line for the risk they assume.

But essentially what NPR is saying is that BIG BUSINESS FORCED POOR IDIOTS TO ASSUME THEIR RISKY MORTGAGES.

What NPR is saying is that THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE MORONS AND NEED TO BE REGULATED LESS THEY FALL INTO PYRAMID SCHEMES AND SIMPLY BAD DEALS.

It's amazing that we have a clear case of a business cycle (created by the state through its actions with the FED), where both lenders and creditors are seeing huge losses, and NPR is blaming one side - those greedy big businessmen.

so NPR is saying let's regulate contracts in general, as the American people are too dumb to read fine print. HAS NPR SEEN A PIECE OF LEGISLATION PASSED BY CONGRESS? Maybe we should regulate Congress? Oh wait, we already did - it was called the Constitution - which doesn't seem to fit into NPR's "progressive" agenda.

Talk about a simple contract that has become defaulted!!!!

I'm in your camp...

..further; albeit there is good information in this interview, it is largely a "see the tree not the forest" approach to explaining what is going on.

but what I really hear between the lines (and do please review this gentleman's credentials) is: more regulation, more price fixing, less risk taking, etc. he doesn't mention the Federal Reserve's role...hell, its KEY ROLE in this. If we applied the Constitution to what is going on in the economy then what we would have now would be much resolved. The market, given its full reign will balance. The nay sayers of the free market either a. lie about their true understanding of free market because they benefit by it (because they abuse it), b. don't know what it means, c. practice it.

nobody suffers by it!!!. What?? nobody suffers from it. I say that, because we do NOT HAVE a free market. If we had a free market, three important things would be in place today:

1. We would not have foreign debt.
2. We would have a savings-based society.
3. We would have sound money.

These would enable a monetized budget and drive our policies.

This is NPR socialist bunk to the nth degree, designed perfectly to bring attention away from something, instead of towards something.

Referencing FDR???? For f@##'s sake.

What we have been experiencing is the full benefits of a free market at the upside, run amok and outside constitutional government, but the exact opposite in economic philosophy applied to when things go badly.

more debt? kool, lets bring on more debt to pay off old debt!!!

free market? crap, let's hunker down and pay it off and not award those who messed it up.

in other words, we're unregulated for investment but regulated to hell and back for debt (bailouts, enron, etc). we do NOT punish the lame, immoral, illegal and violent enough. but i am not suggesting enforcement is the issue. nipping it in the bud by not allowing it in the first place - because the people participate - is what we need. a free market, at both entrance and exit.

i can't imagine it is just me that this interview bored me to tears

To all those people who are not bootoil

CPAforRP

stop replying. If you are not talking specifically about the original subject of this string then go somewhere else.

bump

bump

OK

so what is one to do? this is a great interview- do listen.
the only thing is, now i feel like it's hopeless. since we the taxpayers bailed bear sterns out, shoudnt WE own it now? lol let me regulate!!
i have never made more than 20,0000 per year- my choice as i have 3 children whom i support. i have no credit debt, no car loan, no other outstanding debt except my mortgaage which is paid on time in full every single f@$&%$*ing month. my kids are clothed, fed and housed and unfortunly public schooled which is when i work. i'm sorry, but I am PISSED!!!!!!!! i'm gonna go play football in the backyard now...

NPR?

Not a really reliable, unbiased source of news-They love the UN and all the socialistic stuff that George Orwell wrote about.

I used to listen to NPR, but found them to HATE Ron Paul-I called up a few times extolling Dr. Paul's virtues and they hung up on me. Followed by a rant by the commentators about why Ron Paul will not be president.

Agreed

NPR folks believe in pretty much everything the opposite of Ron Paul. When one of these government-caused catastrophes occur, they always want more government! Problem with Socialism? Solution: More Socialism. The game never changes.

crying wolf

I guess all you need to do is say something and at least 50% or more of the drones will believe it. I keep forgetting that the meek truly shall inherit the earth.

Dude, go back on your meds!

Dude, go back on your meds! Trying to reason with a delusional psychotic is SO much work, and I just don't have the energy today!

dude

you must enjoy giving me attention bec. you continually respond to my comments. It's pathetic and all, but I guess I'm flattered all the same.

Flagged as troll

Flagged as troll

and you

are flagged as a dude

del.

del.

First off, this post is out

First off, this post is out of place and I'm not sure how exactly it addresses the topic of "Our Confusing Economy", but putting that aside, you did unequivocably lash out at Devon yesterday in an extremely rude, hateful, and rascist manner that I feel safe to say virtually everyone here found repugnant. Maybe THAT it what you should be trying to explain, not how "wise" you are and how utterly ignorant everybody else here is.

Bootoil,

I just wanted to thank you for your intelligent postings on this topic. It was such a pleasure to log on and read your profanity-laden tirade! I've gotten so used to intelligent debate and exchange of ideas on this website, it's absolutely REFRESHING to see somebody so void of ideas that he has to revert back to school-yard insults (extend your hand, raise your finger and sit - ohhh, the hilarity!!) and foul language that has become so rare on Daily Paul!

As an aside, being that the likelihood exists that your small little mind is unable to detect sarcasm, I should inform you that you have been flagged and reported. Buh-bye.

apparently

your own sarcasm meter needs some re-tuning as almost all of the latter comments I've left are saturated in it. You show you are unable to discern the truth of the origin of the downward spiral of this dialogue and my reaction thereto. Again if you don't like my style, I do not care- but when I see blatant stubborn stupidity it gets on my nerves and I react accordingly. If you read these comments in order you will discover that I was more than willing to leave it as a unbridgeable disagreement , and move on. If the sheep want to flag me, go ahead; but you are the fool for doing so.

oh no it's the daily paul thought police, whatever will I do, alas woe is me

boo-f-ing-hoo.

Oh, I have read the thread

Oh, I have read the thread in its entirety, my dear ... and I didn't see anything that would require such an asinine response on your behalf. But then again, maybe I'm not as sensitive as you :-)

By the way ... where was the response of yours when asked to name a fiat currency that has actually worked? Hmmm ... don't think you answered that one.

so you

don't like my style. o.k. fair enough (oh, and I am not your dear, unless that is you would like to be considered to be my bitch, btw).

the colonial script worked for awhile before it was inflated out of existence (they used gold concurrently). to name one exp.

seashells worked great in some Polynesian and Asian Pacifac cultures.

It is a long list, why don't you research it on your own and not report back to me about your findings.

If you are suicidally diehard committed to gold and only gold as the saving grace that will make America right as rain again in your head then we do not need to chat.

I am trying to leave this post altogether but keep getting dragged through the proverbial mud so feel a sense of obligation in responding to some of this other non-related garbagio.

Pacific

Pacific (see Java)

Excuse me

Please point to any specific post of mine on this thread where I took a position either for or against gold. You don't know me, you don't know my opinions on this matter. So please, don't even try to make any assumptions in that regard.

Also, if we are so beneath you, as you seem to believe, nobody's forcing you to stay here - you can leave of your own volition at any time. In fact, I encourage you to do so!

BTW, thank you for the offer to be your "bitch", but unfortunately I have to decline. Too busy flagging your chauvanistic ass. *Muah!*

and I do not

care to be your "dear" either (na-nah-na-nah-na-na)

Where did I propose to divine your thoughts? Please point that out to me.

If you think you are beneath me thats up to you- but don't attack me and expect anything less than a vigorous defense.

You want me to shut up, easy to do. Stop composing original "thought patterns" designed for my consumption; however if you continue I will respond if I'm able to.

I am not, never was, and never will be liked by the PC community. I am surprised by the strength of it on a Ron Paul republican web site.

Wow, bootoil, you are quite

Wow, bootoil, you are quite delusional. Let me try and help.

You asked: "Where did I propose to divine your thoughts? Please point that out to me."

My answer: Quoting from you: "If you are suicidally diehard committed to gold and only gold as the saving grace that will make America right as rain again in your head then we do not need to chat."

You wrote: "don't attack me and expect anything less than a vigorous defense."

My answer: Where did I attack you? Hmmmm. I responded to one of your filthy posts ... and take note that there was not one personal attack in there. You "raised the bar" by running off at the mouth and insulting me.

"I do not care to be your "dear" either (na-nah-na-nah-na-na)". Aww, now that is a shame. I'll try not to cry myself to sleep tonight.

and you are quite self

obsessed. you is the plural in that case. a competent reader would be able to tell the difference (directed to anyone reading it-not just YOU). You and your cadre of 'buddies' have done nothing but impune, attack, and insult my character consistently. and why? bec. you jump to conclusions w/o understanding what you read. so when you're ready to stop plying me with this bullshit feel free anytime. why don't you just chill out and go smoke some weed and chew on some peyote (wouldn't recommend those anti-depressants though). - ya thin skinned lilly livered reactionary gnat. buzz off

Okayyyy ...

Please show me where I have impuned your character "consistently"? This is the first time I've come across you on this board (and hopefully the last) - unless this isn't your original ID. So touchy.

Also, thanks for the recommendation, but I don't smoke weed, nor do I chew on peyote. The anti-depressants? Yeah, I'll get right on that.

Buzzzzzzz!!

JustJen, he is just a

JustJen, he is just a disturbed individual with nothing meaningful to say or add, clearly trying to be disruptive and hostile. We should just flag his BS and encourage him to go back to McInsane's campaign, where spreading lies and establishment BS is par for the course.

akak mg'ak

the wonder imp

Akak, you are SO right! I

Akak, you are SO right! I wipe my hands of this garbage ....

I'd tell YOU

where to wipe YOUR hands, but this, I think you already know.

GNAT

Don't forget to use some

Don't forget to use some solvent and then disinfectant --- that bootoil is persistent and nasty stuff!

Bootoil works great

for cleaning up the puke from akak mc'gak the wonder imp, except the damned thing keeps puking... all the reason to aquire more Bootoil.

part of YOUR 1st reply/comment

...
"As an aside, being that the likelihood exists that your small little mind is unable to detect sarcasm, I should inform you that you have been flagged and reported."

buzz is right,

gnat

and who could forget

"BTW, thank you for the offer to be your "bitch", but unfortunately I have to decline. Too busy flagging your chauvanistic ass. *Muah!*"

Pretty much you were blindly hostile from the get go from my perspective, which is what has earned YOU (referring specifically to YOU this time) my derision.

gnat.

HAHA!!

Ahh yes, thank you for reminding me!

Buzzzzzz ........

figures

YOU relish in your self (obsessive) contradiction. what are you the queen bitch gnat in the gnat hive?

any time you want to stop, it'd be a good idea to do so.

gnat

Why yes, I am Queen

Bitch! How nice of you to point that out!

Buzzzzz

Go back under your bridge, troll,

Go back under your bridge, troll, the three billygoats are coming for you!

is it just that you

want the last word here? o.k., you got it

imp.

what a waste of time you fools are....

Bye bye troll!

Bye bye troll! You can now go back to playing with your boogers.

akak

the wonder imp strikes again !!

imp

Have fun pulling the wings

Have fun pulling the wings off butterflies and sniffing your own farts after being banned from the Daily Paul! Isn't that how trolls have fun?

this is what

imps do? fascinating, though indeed a waste of time.

imp

You would know best. And I

You would know best. And I predict you will not be able to resist spreading your poison here, as that is clearly why you come here.

Flagged as disruptive troll

Flagged as disruptive troll

flagged as a

dastardly dude

And you'll be the only one

And you'll be the only one to do so, rascist, unlike all those who flagged you yesterday for your hateful, rascist rants against Devon. But you won't address that damning evidence, will you?

akak mg'ak

likes to yak-yak-yakkitty-yakkin puke

imp.

It's no use, JustJen, I

It's no use, JustJen, I think we are just dealing with "OneViceofTreason" all over again --- only in this incarnation, he has taken off the gloves and decided to give his latent hostility full reign. He has now completely given himself over to the Dark Side of the (Statist) Farce.