From a McCain meetup - FEC

This is funny in a way. The McCain supporter actually thinks this is an ethics issue. It is not. Rather, this is a legal issue. McCain broke the law, plain and simple. It would be nearly impossible to say "he did not know" or was unaware or some other nonsense as McCain not only wrote and sponsored the Bill, he also voted to make it Law.

Maybe we should contact this Senator John Cornyn to ask him if it would be "ethical" for the ethics committee to make some sort of ruling in a situation where the Senator in question has violated an actual Law.

Look, if the FEC is not going to get a full quorum anytime soon (which seems to be the determined course), then I should think there would be some higher authority to which The People can appeal for addressing this issue.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but -- didn't the presidential election decision go to the Supreme Court (rather than the FEC) when the "hanging chad" incident hit the fan back in 2000?

...and does that mean we can put this before the Supremes, if the FEC is unavailable?

(Great; now I'm picturing stodgy old judges in long black gowns, swaying their hips and singing to McCain: "STOP! In the naaaame of loooove...")

Now he can skirt around the very law he helped create.
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Ron Paul people are trying to get McCain in trouble with the FEC. We are not. He has done it all himself. We had nothing to do with it. Just another example of "they are doing it to me or us." Doesn't anyone in this world take responsibility for themselves. If they think that we will not hold him responsible for his own actions, just wait until the democrats get a hold of him. They should be thanking Republicans for wanting to keep "our nominee" honest and above board. We are sick and tired of politicians who want to do anything they please and act as if it is perfectly ok because THEY did it. I'm tired of them going against the constitution, going to war without permission, funding communist countries and saving their victims both with our tax dollars, letting monetary decisions be handled by a group that does not have our interests in mind at all and I could go on and on. Get real. McCain cannot even stay within his own campaign finance rules. He has broken the societal, moral rules his whole life and gotten by with it. Enough is enough. Done.

They don't want to play by the rules.

If McCain is let off the hook for breaking his own campaign finance laws, the Democrats will rip him a new a-hole for being more of a hypocrite than they are.
If McCain actually complies with public financing restrictions, the Democrats will rip him a new a-hole when he's forbidden from spending money -- he won't be able to defend himself.
McCain may as well pack it in now. He's running a dead campaign.

See this comment: http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Could this be what has the McCain supporters in a panic?

It's sort of an update on what McCain is doing right now re the FEC.

Posted April 4th, 2008 by eaglewings
From FiredogLake (the guys who pulled together the petition we all signed about McCain and the FEC), and they include a Boston Globe article. http://firedoglake.com/20...

John McCain: Changing His Mind On Public Financing — Again?
by Jane Hamsher

"Having accepted public financing last fall for the primary, then deciding to thumb his nose at it when it didn't suit his purposes, John McCain is now laying the groundwork for accepting public financing in the general. Aided by reform groups like Democracy 21 who have hammered Obama for not accepting it but have uttered nary a peep about the fact that McCain is breaking the law, he's obviously looking to play the "holier than thou" card in the fall -- confident that a compliant press and the wouldbe watchdogs will all take a nap while he does it.

From today's Boston Globe:

In another sign that John McCain is moving toward accepting public financing this fall, the Republican's campaign is returning about $3 million in checks to contributors who have given money for his general election campaign, funds he could not use if he opts into the public system.

McCain's campaign, in letters to contributors, is asking supporters to write new checks to a special fund created to help the Arizona senator pay legal and accounting expenses related to compliance with the public funding system.

The move is largely procedural, and McCain's campaign said yesterday that it has not yet decided whether to accept public funding or to raise money on its own for the November presidential election. But the decision to return checks - which was made as the Democratic candidates announced raising $60 million combined in March, nearly as much as McCain had raised for the entire campaign through February - indicates that McCain is laying the groundwork for doing so.

"Senator McCain has made it clear that he expects to participate in the general election public financing system, and he hopes the Democratic nominee will do so as well," Brian Rogers, McCain spokesman, said in a statement. "The campaign reserves the right to change course, but these developments reflect our current plans."

Really? Well, file it under "another McCain flip-flop," because this was McCain in 2003 (sorry, no link):

McCain Said Candidates Must Opt In Or Opt Out Of Public Financing For Both the Primary and General. Second, our legislation requires a candidate to opt in or out of the public financing system for the entire presidential election, including both the primary and general election. [Congressional Record, 11/21/2003]

John McCain makes laws for other people, he doesn't actually intend to follow them himself when it becomes convenient. His moral compass is pointed straight at "what's good for me." He opted into the public financing system, then he opted out, now he wants in again.

Just another stop on the BS Express."

Actually that resolution had more support then you think.Yeah this was Romney supporters. Has you see most of the eading alot like what he was saying when running.
I want make a point of referance that John McCain not the nominee though thats a misunderstanding and part of their stratagy hoping that McCain supporters will belive its over and not vote or attend Conventions or Cacuses. Because the vote does not decided the Nominee.
Another Point of reference is there are still Romney,McCain, Paul and Keyes. Able to be nominee. Because others withdrew Romney just suspended not with drew. Even though he gone endorsed McCain. I think he was hoping for the VP slot if not he will use his delegates to stop him.
Rember is delegates that count for the nomination. Thats why this is happening. And the Delegates Media showing is incorrect has we are losing delegates to Ron Paul and Romney supporters...I just stressing importance to hold those delegates.
Not all the delegates they alocate to McCain are pledged seats but if the other candidates move get their supporters in these seats. And with passage of resolutions like one mentioned I cause for alarm. So my deep rooted point is be a delegate draft resolutions make sure you know facts. A debate in my convention was a gentle man keep telling Ron Paul supporter get over him self because John Mccain was Nominee and the Ron Paul person came back no he not and that person was able get Huckabee supporters to vote him in has delegate. Basically please understand it not in the bank there people still out their fighting and history yes a person can be presumed Nominee and still lose nomination.

Anything on the "Federal" level is severely corrupt , Bought and payed for by the bush administration to keep the "people" from having any rights. The only way to be heard is to find a way to eliminate the entire federal branch. In other words we don't have a chance, The election is rigged, the economy is rigged, The United States is now in complete control of all of us. We live in a dictatorship now.You have no rights.

It's odd that four memebers of the FEC must vote in accordance to McCain's wishes to withdraw from financing and four of the six members are missing. The same four memebers that Bush is trying to push in for an all or nothing bid to the FEC. And people say we are crazy conspiracy theroy junkies. IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE DAMNIT.

Let's keep these links handy -

Letter from McCain to FEC asking to withdraw from Campaign Financing -
http://www.fec.gov/press/...

Response from FEC to McCain -
http://www.fec.gov/press/...

Just incase mister I can't raise my arms paste my waste decides to say, "Hey, I was never going to withdraw from financing."

This issue is gaining traction.

This nimwit is breaking the stupid law that HE PASSED (McCain-Feingold). What an idiot. McCain and his supporters are blind. McCain is a tool of the big state. It is a sad state of affairs when someone like that is a legit candidate for the American presidency. His "war hero" status is all a con job as well.

My liberty-minded home base of thought:

www.ponderthis.net

I didn't realize that McCain really had any supporters. :)
other than that, I am for a FEC hearing to get this matter settled so Ron Paul can take his rightful place as last Republican Running....

Woah! I just noticed something stunning in the OP from the McCain Meetup group (how did I miss this on my first read-through?!?):

"The Ron Paul people saying McCain breaking Election laws with fund raising. The FEC side [sic] with those supporters."

Have the McCain supporters heard news that we haven't heard?? Has the FEC indeed sided with the petition complaint???

I'm very concerned that McCain supporters are getting tired of McCain's attitude, arrogance, lack of respect for the FEC, and lack of respect to the American voters. His "straight talk" is failing. His "my friends" speil is failing. His own high school sent him packing the other day. McCain supporters need our help, they need to understand McCain is not a good choice. They need to be educated on McCains flip-flopping on enforcing the laws, after he bailed out his friends bank in Arizona. He cost tax payers more then $2.3 billion dollars. If he's elected President, he'll cost us tax payers a whole lot more ! They need to support Ron Paul, they need to believe and stop McCain before it's too late.
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Yes! Definitely! Let's INDEED bring this to a hearing!!!!!

McCain supporters...are you sure ya wanna do that? ;) It's fine by us! As long as it is a just hearing!!

You guys remember onevoiceforreason? Why don't we infiltrate their blogs VERY covertly to see what other concerns we might be able to use in capitalizing? Anyone know of some blog sites for McCain?

by liberal blogs than by RP forums, although I've seen it come up here, too, and oftentimes I've brought it to this forum.

So if they think it's only the RPers, they are sadly mistaken.

It's good for them to be afraid. And isn't using force to coerce anyone to do something illegal a crime?

those in the Republican Party instead of answering to Howard Dean and Democrats that have made this public?

"What is going on here?"

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson