Dr Steve Parent Radio interview is up on you tube?
Submitted by SGP on Sun, 04/06/2008 - 02:40
Some one put a radio interview of mine on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ4Q8z4dRc0
Did anyone here do that?
Dr. Steve Parent
I don't get why Ron Paul supporters don't want to fight
Especially people who rant and rave about a New World Order and all the horrible plans the elitists have for our families.
We have this system with delegates who are fighting to get their country and their ideals back and they are in the process to change something fundamentally wrong with our country. Right now the delegates are dragging the pessimists, the uninformed, the Ron Paul campaign staff, the diehard Libertarians and all the rest of the quitters to the convention so that Ron Paul can speak at the convention, so that new Republicans and Republican Planks can be put in place.
It is as if these quitters have never fought for anything in their life. Winning the nomination is secondary to overtaking the Republican Party. Put your heart and soul into the delegate process and get everyone you know involved because now, when the Republican Party is at its weakest, is when we should be attacking.
"I need you to get mad, I need you to get up and say "I'm Mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
http://killfiat.blogspot.com/
Bear with us, we are brainwashed and slowly waking up.
Everyone, including myself, who is not a delegate is brainwashed.
We support Ron Paul and we thought we were not brainwashed. WRONG.
We thought we had to wake others up. WRONG.
We are still brainwashed unless you are a delegate or making real efforts to become a delegate.
We spend so much time on related subjects, but still do not engage in the real deal. We are slightly more awake than others, but this brainwash thing has been going on ever since I was born, and I just can't get myself to make the delegate thing my first priority. I spend so much time on peripheral issues, which is still better than guys supporting Obama, but in reality, I'm not much different from idiots who support Obama because I'm not a delegate. I woke up a bit more after I listened to Dr. Parent, but still have some kind of mental block and have a hard time making myself to spend more time studying and becoming a delegate.
Dr. Parent and those who are already delegates are definitely heros.
The rest of us are still struggling to wake ourselves up.
But, we are trying. For those who are already a delegate, you may not understand why we can't do it, but to us, it's like trying to learn to walk or trying to learn to ride a bicycle. I know it's easy once you can do it, but we are still struggling, and we tend to spend more time doing something easy like talking about NWO, Gold, the dollar, the Fed, etc. This makes us only a little bit more awake than Obama supporters, but still just as ineffective as Obama supporters.
We are trying. Please, don't give up on us. But, at the same time, DON'T WASTE ANYTIME and don't make yourselves tired or frustrated by trying to convince "useful idiots". See this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916&q
The collectivists spent our life time to condition us. We've never tried to learn to walk on our own two feet until now. All we did was to think we were better than others because we know this or that (like NWO, the Fed, Gold or the coming economic crisis), but we've never done and still don't do anything DIRECTLY to take back the country (become delegate). We aren't awake, yet, but we are trying.
"first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property" -Thomas Jefferson
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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Dr. Parent, You cannot educate everyone in a short period of
time. Here is why.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916&q
THE DESIRE TO ENFORCE GOOD IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
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That is why the founding fathers did not create a Democracy.
They created a REPUBLIC! It is different from a Democracy. Democracy is intended merely to be a tool used in making decisions within the Republic. The founding fathers were aware of the problems that could be created by a nation ruled by a Democracy of idiot lemmings so they implemented a system designed to put more of the decision making power in the hands of those more informed and passionate citizens. The delegate process requires one to be informed and passionate enough to bother getting involved thus creating a form of protection against mass media tyranny through brainwashing a majority of sheep. I think those guys really knew what they were doing when they set it up this way.
Excuse me..
.. but have you peeked at the democratic processes outlined in the CONSTITUTION? Our government is a "DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC".
A republic follows a constitution and the law applies equally to all men including the leaders. The Founders chose "democracy" as the method to select our representatives to the government.
It seems you are trying to build some logical construct for justifying a small group of people overriding the majority public will. Unfortunately for your argument, the democratic mechanism for choosing our representatives is defined in the CONSTITUTION.
Republics by definition follow a common law that applies equally to all men. We call our common law the CONSTITUTION. You are suggesting a small group of people be given special powers to OVERRIDE THE CONSTITUTION. Which is both ANTI-REPUBLICAN and ANTI-DEMOCRATIC. Do you feel special yet?
Nice try but no cigar!
Also, you seem to imply that the Founding Fathers had something to do with the delegate process. Most of the Founding Fathers didn't even want political parties. And the Constitution says absolutely NOTHING about parties or the delegate system.
Matter of fact, there is no force of law in party rules. None. Parties are just private clubs that can do whatever they want. They don't have to use delegates. They can use a pair of dice or draw straws to select the nominee.
;)
Actually, Mart, I did not
Actually, Mart, I did not take TTB's post that way at all. I think he (or she) is essentially correct ---- the Founders, implicitly or explicitly, did not want all citizens to equally exercise power, as elitist as that sounds, and I think they were correct in thinking so. I believe I can summarize the thought at that time as desiring that the more power a person exercises, the more (voluntarily) involved in the process they be. To me, this seems only logical, for the same reason that I hate any talk to forcing all citizens to vote --- I mean, if somebody is too apathetic or too ignorant to vote (especially when they thenselves acknowledge the fact), do you really want THEIR uninformed opinion to influence the process equally to your own?
I know this argument might sound elitist or even outrageous to some here, but if one reads the Federalist Papers and other materials written by the Founding Fathers themselves, you will see that it is the basis for us inhereting a republic and not an Athenian-style direct democracy.
I understand..
.. but the main point of my contention is not really about democracy vs republic and the debate has become side-tracked. My contentions are mainly:
1) The idea that a very few people should "revolt" at the conventions and not vote for the candidates they are bound to effectively overturning a 20-to-1 McCain vs Paul mandate from the People. If no candidate would have gotten 50% and the convention became brokered then it would be a totally different story. The American people have spoken overwhelmingly and loudly. I don't like their choice but I think now the task at hand is to convince them civilly and not break the rules of the party and have Ron Paul people banned from the process in the future. We really don't need the animosity at a time when Dr. Paul and his son Robert are telling people to be civil and friendly and become permanent fixtures in the party.
and
2) That SGP is AGAIN attacking globally prominent Ron Paul supporters with half-truths and innuendo. The first being Trevor Lyman and now Alex Jones. I think SGP's delegate process education efforts have been truly beneficial and energizing to the movement but he's in self-destruct mode. And, unfortunately and with regret, at this point in time I just wish he would go ahead and completely implode if he is going to continue the divisive personal attacks on prominent movement personalities when there has ZERO hard facts to back up his claims and smears.
One More Point about Popular Vote
One parallel to GOP convention is the Electoral College to elect President, although it is in name only today.
Founding fathers put in place Electoral College to elect President and avoided a direct popular vote for a good reason. They did not choose a direct election of President in this country, because they were afraid that misguided and misinformed people lead by corrupt lying politicians could elect a corrupt tyrannical President. They assumed that delegates, who are elected, but who need to spend a lot of time in the process, would be more engaged and informed than average population about who can be trusted and who cannot be trusted.
Founding fathers were trying to prevent the same thing Dr. Parent is stating. Some powerful (GOP and DEM with military industrial complex) using massive power and influence (MSM) lying to population and electing a corrupt tyrannical leader (the anointed three).
Remember that Hitler was elected by overwhelming direct popular vote.
If the will of misinformed people is to elect a political leader, for instance Hitler, who would commit genocide, for instance of Jews, would it make sense to go along and colaborate with the will of misinformed people?
Here is..
.. a decent video explaining more about how the Electoral College works and its deficiencies:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4
The government should
The government should represent the people's will. Simple as that
Agreed!
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Martfuncher this comment is
Martfuncher this comment is addressing your comments against me and i would love to hear how you respond.
I will not even respond to Sven Son because as all can say they are new here and serve no purpose and has nade made one valid point yet that i have seen in my opinion at this point and can't be trusted.
1: I object...
On April 6th, 2008 martfuncher says:
.. to a tiny handful of people using technical trickery to overturn the POPULAR NATIONAL WILL in a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y. That's what rogue governments and goons do.
You mean exactly what our Government does now to the American people? The difference is that the delegates are the deciding factor for the party not the STRAW POLL. The delegate system is in place to show actual support for your candidate and yes it is a CHECK AND BALANCE SYSTEM to protect the people from Vote fraud and FALSE support.
If Mccain had real support he would have the delegates registered to support him at the national convention and there would be no issue BUT THE FACT IS from what we have seen all over the country he does not have real support and you claim it is the will of the people WHERE ARE THE MCCAIN PEOPLE? They sure aren't at the conevntions as delegates that is a FACT!
If the STATE delegates break the rules at the STATE conventions they will NEVER make it to the national convention because they will disqualified and most likely never allowed to participate again. If that's what you want then more power to you!
What type of babling nonsense are you talking about? What rules do you speak of that are being broken? Perhaps you should read the rules of the RNC and you will clearly see everyone EXCEPT THE CURRENT Republican party hacks have followed and played by the rules and that is exactly what i am teaching people to do.
you can't seem to comprehend that OVERTURNING THE POPULAR NATIONAL VOTE with a HANDFUL OF DELEGATES is IMMORAL, UNETHICAL and UNDEMOCRATIC?
Oh really? Again you have never read how the system works then for this is exactly what the BUSH people did to AL GORE in 2000 and i am not even going to tell you what i mean i am going to make you work for this one and you are going to have to look it up for yourself if you don't know what i mean but i assure you the groups i have addressed are well aware of what i am talking about.
On April 6th, 2008 martfuncher says:
The dude TOTALLY twisted what Alex said. TOTALLY...
What did i twist? I twisted nothing Alex said and Alex is wrong and i will tell him that personally if i have the chance and would love to debate the issue with him anytime.
If you actually listen to alex he twists his own statements on that clip you put up for all to listen too. Now if you believe him when he say YES THEY STOLE THE ELECTION FROM RON PAUL WITH VOTE FRAUD as he has said many times and that your votes REALLY DON'T GET COUNTED. Why then would he say well they cheated you and the MSM lied about Ron Paul to the people and tell people DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING THE MSM SAYS and then turn around in the next breath and say well yea they did all this but you need to just do what they say and vote for Mccain anyway.
Anything elese you want to throw at me?
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
Thanks for making my point.
"I will not even respond to Sven Son because as all can say they are new here and serve no purpose and has nade made one valid point yet that i have seen in my opinion at this point and can't be trusted."
I could come back with just as smug and arrogant a statement as that, but then I would be just like you.
Master Electrician Steve Svensson.
Can I get a second opinion.
Tags Sven...
.. for a tag-team swap...
I have eggs to eat...
Okay..
.. so you are justifying corrupt election practices because Bush did it. Swell. I'm sure Dr. Paul would be just fine with that.
If you can't understand that the American people chose McCain over Ron Paul by a factor of 20-to-1 and that trying to use a tiny minority of delegates to overturn that OVERWHELMING democratic expression of choice by American people is ETHICALLY BANKRUPT then you are a lost cause.
Brokered conventions are for when no candidate gets 50%. There will be NO BROKERED CONVENTION. The American people have spoken. Get over it and quit making the Ron Paul movement look bad.
You've dug your hole and now you've jumped in it and are shoveling dirt on top of yourself. The game is over bud. Maybe if you bury yourself up to your neck a weed with a pretty flower will sprout from your head...
Have a nice day!
=)
BTW, here's what Alex Jones said (of which you twisted and omitted to suit your needs -- EXACTLY like you did with the NolanChart article about the blimp):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-oryL1l_PE
Check this one out too:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4
I have not jusitfied
I have not jusitfied anything corrupt and you are the one twisting things and the delegated process is very clear if you bothered to take the time to read the rules of the party.
Since when is following the rules of the RNC acting as crrupt rogue people? Stop wasting our time with that nonsense please.
The people are also the delegates and this is how the system works and you clearly do not understand that.
You are the one that has dug a hole and can't get out of it which is why you continue to try and tear down what everyone here is building.
If it is over why the hell are you here? What purpose do you serve here telling people it is over? Why are you wasting your time if it is over?
The fact is most of you until lately had no idea how the system even works and instead of helping to educate the people on things actually work you would rather complain and tear down the facts i have brought forward for all to see.
You are a waste of time as is Laurie who you seem to continue to agree with so you will not be ignored as she is by me and many others.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
One More Point
One parallel to GOP convention is the Electoral College to elect President, although it is in name only today.
Founding fathers put in place Electoral College to elect President and avoided a direct popular vote for a good reason. They did not choose a direct election of President in this country, because they were afraid that misguided and misinformed people lead by corrupt lying politicians could elect a corrupt tyrannical President. They assumed that delegates, who are elected, but who need to spend a lot of time in the process, would be more engaged and informed than average population about who can be trusted and who cannot be trusted.
Founding fathers were trying to prevent the same thing Dr. Parent is stating. Some powerful (GOP and DEM) using massive power and influence (MSM) lying to population and electing a corrupt tyrannical leader (the anointed three).
Remember that Hitler was elected by overwhelming direct popular vote.
If the will of misinformed people is to elect a political leader, for instance Hitler, who would commit genocide, for instance of Jews, would it make sense to go along and colaborate with the will of misinformed people?
Ron want´s you as a
Ron want´s you as a delegate so you can have an influence at the convention.
The whole reason you have delegates is to show real support. That is to combat fraud, like we have seen over and over again with the popular vote.
weather or not you think Ron can be the nominee or not do not matter, he wants you as a delegate to have as much influence as possible.
To not using your constitutional right and giving away your vote, would be very fraudulent, so is brainwashing of the people by the msm.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
There is no..
.. constitutional right to be a delegate. There is no constitutional basis for a party to have delegates or even hold primaries. The Constitution says NOTHING about political parties at all. There is very little if any force of law in party nomination processes.
You can start your own political party and use a magic 8-ball to choose the nominee.
The FIRST priority and purpose of a delegate in the GOP and DNC is to represent the popular vote by the American people in the primaries or -- in the case of "superdelegates" -- to represent the established leaders in the parties...
;)
But it is still your right,
But it is still your right, is it not ?
being part of the political system is also your responsibility, in my opinion at least. If you aren´t you can hardly complain about anything.
Now why did your founders make a republic and not a democracy ?
obviously they did not wan´t mob rule, but to ensure informed citizens to take responsibility and action.
If u wan´t to change to a democracy with a popular vote, you should change it first, not ignore the rules.
Bottom line is: Ron has asked for his supporters to become delegates to let his message to have as much influence as possible at the convention.
This forum is for supporting Ron Paul in this quest, so lets help him in that goal.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Absolutely not!
There is no "right" to be a delegate. Political parties are private clubs. They can do whatever they want. Including not having any delegates. And they can make any arbitrary rule they like as to how delegates and even nominees are chosen. You can start a Red Beard Party where only people with red beards are allowed to be chosen. Or they can say that only people with blue beards can be delegates and only green bearded people can be nominees.
You asked:
"Now why did your founders make a republic and not a democracy?"
Well, the Founders chose a DEMOCRATIC republic. Notice the democratic mechanisms outlined in the Constitution. The democratically expressed public will was an important concept to the Founders.
You said:
"Bottom line is: Ron has asked for his supporters to become delegates to let his message to have as much influence as possible at the convention."
Yes, he has asked us become involved in the GOP delegate system and to participate in influencing the party platform. He has NOT asked us to override the will of the American people expressed in the primaries. Dr. Paul is specifically asking us not to!
Things would have been different if the convention would have become brokered. Brokered conventions happen when no candidate gets 50%. McCain was chosen by 20 TIMES more people than Dr. Paul. The American people have spoken. Trying to overturn the overwhelming expressed will of the People is UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, UNETHICAL, UN-REPUBLICAN and UNDEMOCRATIC.
What super delegates? The
What super delegates? The republican party does not have super delegates. Why are you here ? You serve no purpose to Ron Paul when you say things that are completely false because you have no understanding of how the republican party works.
The parties do not elect the presidents they elect the nominee to run for president and it is up to the people involved in the party at their state level to elect who they wish to represent the party.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
Well...
The FIRST priority and purpose of a delegate in the GOP and DNC is to represent the popular vote by the American people in the primaries or -- in the case of "superdelegates" -- to represent the established leaders in the parties...
He included both parties.. slow down and read before replying. He is here because despite what you think, he is ALLOWED to have an opinion that is not yours.
I think you've done a bang-up job on bringing delegate information to the DP, Steve. I just wish you weren't such an arrogant ass... it takes away from your messaage.
Look i am tired and i have
Look i am tired and i have worked my ass off trying to educate the masses on something most people knew nothing about.
I am attacked on a daily basis and i am fed up call it what you want i really do not care any more.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
You are NOT..
.. being "attacked" for your delegate process education efforts. EVERYBODY praises for you that. Quit playing that stupid card.
You are "attacked" for .. *drumroll*... ATTACKING OTHER PEOPLE with half-truths and innuendo. First Trevor Lyman and now Alex Jones.
Don't you get it by now?? Do you SERIOUSLY not notice that ALL the criticism of you is when you attack other people and whine about people not listening to you or who disagree with you on some minor point?
Are you dyslexic or something?
Then take some time off...
Because you are really walking the thin line between dedicated and zealot at this point. You are hurting yourself and the message that you've worked so hard for. Everyone needs a breather bro... just some friendly advice from someone who has watched you going from informed and passionate to cruel and demeaning in the course of a few weeks.
Go get a beer.. walk in the sunshine.. recharge!
Then get your ass back on here and go go GO!
I wish i could take some
I wish i could take some time off but who is going to educate people on rules of order and Parliamentary procedure.
If i had help i could take time off and recharge but i do not thin k some of know how hard i have been working on this with people and at my own expense even when i am out of the country i still call 3 and 4 meetup groups daily on my dime to get everyone prepared.
When people keep coming here and sayong ITS OVER MCCAIN IS THE NOMINEE all i have fought to educate on the truth sets me 2 steps back and i have to start all over again.
Do you think i enjoy doing this damn radio programs and sitting here typing on these message boards? I could be at the beach or out on my boat but instead i stay here and work.
This is a battle every day and i seem to be one of few that are fighting it as far as keeping the message out there and for thos of you that have become delegates or tried to become delegates i am proud of each and everyone of you and i know that Dr. Paul would be proud as well.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
I agree..
.. Steve has done some very valuable work and has helped energize the movement. But those days are QUICKLY fading in a spasm of self-destruction...
Look closely...
I didn't say a single word about Republicans having superdelegates. I was talking about both the GOP and DNC in general.
Also, parties don't have to ELECT nominees. They can draw straws if they like. Or pick the first person they see come by on the sidewalk.
*rolls eyes*
That is exactly right which
That is exactly right which you just proved my point that electing the nominee is up to the party rules not the popular vote.
The people active in the party make the rules not the people not active in the party.
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
*sigh*
You're just not getting the "20 times more people chose McCain than Ron Paul and trying to overturn that expression of choice in a democratic republic is not ethical" thing.
Brokered conventions only happen when no candidate has 50%. McCain has WAY more than that. There will be no brokered convention. Majorities ARE critical to the whole silly "democracy" concept. This debate is stupid...
I'm gonna go scramble some eggs...
=)
50% plus 1 and if he has
50% plus 1 and if he has actual people that were elected as delegates by the party in September that vote for him he will win the nomination however if he does not obtain 50% plus 1 in September he will not win the nomination it is that simple.
Do you trust the vote?
If you do can you tell me why that in states where there were caucus events where everything is done out in the open and not by voting machine Ron Paul has done extremely well but in states where things are done in private and can not be autided he did extremely poor?
Dr. Steve Parent
www.buckforchuck.com
www.whokilledtheconstitution.com
www.revolutionbroadcasting.com
Dr. Steve Parent
No..
.. I believe there was election fraud. All one has to do is look at California.
Having said that, the first response should be to legally challenge the voting systems and the fraud. Not to lower ourselves to using trickery just like them.
Until we can prove vote fraud in a court of law there is nothing left for us to do... ethically that is.
good to have you on board, Steve. . .
I don't think he understands that the delegates are not solid until the upcoming State convention. I just don't think he understands how this works, and he is getting all upset that we are trying to sponsor a REVOLT. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. We are just wanting the system to work for US, the system that has been working AGAINST us for a long time.
yeah, it can never be wrong
yeah, it can never be wrong to exercise your constitutional right.
Becoming a delegate and affecting politics is that right and your founders made it that way for a reason.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
The Constitution gives us the right
to bear arms.
That doesn't mean we should go around shoving our guns
in peoples faces, saying "see, see, I'm exercising my constitutional
rights"
Hey guys, I still have no idea why you two are so upset, but
just for your information, watch this film from 55min and learn about "useful idiots". JFYI. I think this is a very important film for everyone to watch.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307456730142665916&q
THE DESIRE TO ENFORCE GOOD IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
---
that was an interesting
that was an interesting interview.
He prescribed a doctor to cure the apathy and educate the American people, so they go back to a free society and American values from the socialistic big brother government.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Brokered conventions are for
Brokered conventions are for when no candidate has a MAJORITY. See, the MAJORITY thing is important in DEMOCRATIC processes.
When one candidate has TWENTY times the popular vote over the other candidate it is not ETHICAL to try and use technicalities wielded by a tiny group to overturn the OVERWHELMING will of the people.
Still don't get it?
I know you mentioned that you have trouble with complex things but this isn't THAT complex. In DEMOCRATIC processes the MAJORITY is the victor.
=P
I "stole" this from DaddyWarBucks post, but it says it so well!!
I hope he doesn't mind!
The mainstream media say that McCain already has a majority of delegates.
--- Complete rubbish. Including the territories, there are over 50 sets of rules for electing delegates to the national convention. In many states, delegates "won" were for county conventions at which delegates are elected to attend state conventions at which delegates are elected to attend the national convention. In some states, a majority of delegates can vote to unbind themselves from the winner of the popular vote. McCain is unlikely to have a majority of bound delegates at the convention until at least after the first round of voting. That will be his moment of either glory or crisis because those delegates will with each round of voting become “unbound” by their states’ rules whereupon they will then be free to vote for whomever they want. Don’t count on Romney and Huckabee delegates automatically voting for McCain. We’re not trying to give you a pie-in-the-sky picture that Ron is going to swoop in and clean up, but it’s not over until the last round of convention votes are counted.
Martfuncher - THIS is what I am talking about. The bound vs the unbound delegates, and when those delegates are unbound, we can come out and vote for Ron Paul! Not revolt and mess with the rules! But beat them at their own game!
It's OK. I don't take credit for it. I got it in an email.
The writer is Bill Faust, Pennsylvania Field Director, Ron Paul 2008
http://www.cpalpac.com/electinfo/generalinfo.htm
"PunJab! Bring me my checkbook!"
"GINO" = Government In Name Only
As for the Majority issue. . .
the way I understand it, McCain's 1200+ delegates are ASSUMED delegates, they are not secure until AFTER the votes at the state level are taken. So he doesn't actually HAVE a MAJORITY YET.
I appreciate your concerns about being considered wackos. . .I do not want a revolt, I do not want to see delegates not following the rules. . .
I want to see delegates voting for Ron Paul when it is LEGAL to do so. If we don't have the numbers to do that, then McCain will go on to be the guy. He won't be MY guy, but he will be the Republican guy.
I believe that you are the one who doesn't get it.
Just watch the film. It's interesting.
THE DESIRE TO ENFORCE GOOD IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." Benjamin Franklin
---
Excuse me?
The Founders didn't even want political parties. How do you claim they had anything to do with the Republican and/or Democratic party delegate process?
Please show me some references for this idea. There is certainly NOTHING in the Constitution about party conventions and party delegates...
Alex says. . .
that when it comes time to vote, that if delegates are bound - both he and Ron Paul agree that delegates who are bound need to vote for the "popular candidate" aka McCain. But what we are all talking about here is getting more delegates. . .and when they become UNBOUND, then they can vote for Ron Paul.
Alex makes it out like it is a lost cause, and maybe it is, maybe Alex is right. . .but you know, I just don't want to give up until all the primaries are over. And of course you can't just revolt and vote for whoever you want to, anytime you want to. . .that wouldn't be following the system. We need to beat them at their own system, not have a delegate revolt.
All Steve is saying is that people need to get involved. He didn't say to revolt, he said get involved. I just think that Alex is so sure everything is going to go badly for the "good guys" that he automatically assumes that it will be a disaster.
What if we vote in a bunch of delegates, and after the first round of bound voting, enough become unbound on the second ballot that we vote Ron Paul in as the candidate? Would that be the wrong thing to do? Would Alex hate that? No I don't think he would. But Steve is just trying to get more people involved.
I am not interested in arguing with you guys, I just would like to see more people involved in the process, and I would like more people to make more sense - like Ron Paul does. Is it wrong to be optomistic and to try?
No!
Steve is saying that Dr. Paul can win the nomination. How did you somehow miss that?
What was Steve's objection to Alex saying delegates bound to McCain should vote for McCain if his whole goal isn't the nomination for Ron Paul? We wouldn't even be having this discussion if that wasn't the case.
What about this?: (notice the date)
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On April 5th, 2008 SGP says:
Was i wrong to assume that everyone on this site wants to see Dr. Paul be the nominee for the Republican party this year?
Dr. Steve Parent
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Also, explain this title of one of Steve's post:
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PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WIN THE NOMINATION AND STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM FOR YOUR INFO!
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I have ZERO problems with getting as many delegates involved in the GOP process as possible. Dr. Paul and his son are asking us to do just that. They are NOT asking us to overturn the POPULAR NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC WILL through some technical trickery at the conventions.
McCain won the popular vote of the American people. Unfortunately this is not what we wanted. It's time to get over it and move on.
It's time to look for new HONEST ways to support Ron Paul and Ron Paul Republicans.
But why can't he win. . .if. . .
there are enough delegates who vote for Romney and Huckeberry to keep McCain from getting a majority on vote number one. . .then when they are unbound, they can all vote for whomever they want? Why not hope that the majority at THAT point wouldn't be for Ron Paul?
I agree with you that there are many things besides this to be doing, but this is not trickery, it is using the system.
Ahem...
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Okay, let's start from the beginning...
Do you understand what a democracy is?
Sadly, the majority of Americans chose McCain in the primaries.
OVERTURNING THE POPULAR NATIONAL WILL with a HANDFUL OF DELEGATES is IMMORAL, UNETHICAL and UNDEMOCRATIC. That's what ROGUE governments and GOONS do!
In a DEMOCRACY you don't cancel out the majorities choice using technicalities wielded by a tiny group of people! It's just WRONG and Dr. Paul is a HONEST MORAL man and he will have NONE of it.
Get it yet?
Majority of Americans chose McCain?
Maybe I still don't understand the American nomination system. But as far as I have understood, McCain got until now the most votes of those people who bothered to go to the Republican primaries and caucuses. The whole American electorate wasn't allowed to take part anyway since in most states you have to be registered as republican.
Democracy is not only about one big election but even more of getting involved in the process, and that' s here the delegate process.
Perhabs the majority of Americans will be happy if you get rid of McCain in St.Paul
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This is an interesting
This is an interesting argument.
I just listened to Parent and I think he makes some good points. There is one thing about Jones that disturbs me--he's a defeatist. He keeps alluding to us stopping the New World Order, but he's fatalistic at the same time. What's his plan, if we don't fight back politically?
On the other hand, I can see some of his points about how the media will treat a delegate takeover, and martfuncher makes some good points.
No clear winner here, IMHO.
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