Beware: Eric Dondero supports Bob Barr

I have no interest in voting for Mr. Barr. I would just as soon vote for Roseanne Barr.

Mike Gravel...no way in hell.

I see a lot of also rans are pitching in to try to ride our wave this year. Eight years ago I would have voted for Alan Keyes if he'd run Third Party, but not now.

There are two I would consider voting for...Jesse Ventura if he ran Libertarian, and Chuck Baldwin, if he runs Constitution.

This is on the assumption that they get nominated and Ron Paul is not running Republican, Third Party or Independent.

I'm guessing I'll probably be voting for Chuck Baldwin. Bob Barr has nothing to offer me, since he voted for the Patriot Act. Why should I trust someone who tramples the Bill of Rights?

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1)What would you do if Dondero endorsed Ron Paul?
2)What would you do if Paul endorsed Barr?

I'll just point out that Ron Paul does not support judging the candidate by a single individual who follows or endorses them.

In about 3 weeks you may get a chance to see Bob Barr debate on C-SPAN at the LP convention.

IMissLiberty

integrity of Ron Paul it would be hard to vote for anyone else. Do they know the background on these candidates any CFR connections or skull and bones in the closet. We need to really scrutinize these candidates anymore because they have inside plants in every party it seems. Peace

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Dr. Paul is still our no. 1 A and we will know for sure in September after the RNC. Of all the LP candidates, Barr has the best chance IMHO, if/when he officially run and can get the support of the purist libertarians and some anarchists. It it is a good strategy. If the LP polls at say 7% plus by August, the GOP will know they cannot win the election with McCain and may produce more incentive to nominate Dr. Paul, and Barr, Ruwart and some others will support Paul.

Dondero is a complete A**. His support can only hurt Barr.

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A long time ago, Eric Dondero said positive things about Ron Paul, too. I don't know much about Bob Barr yet, but I won't write him off immediately because of Eric Dondero. I'll have to decide what I think for myself.

Then we can probably write off Bob Barr. Eric has, over the last year, jumped on the bandwagons of Rudy Giuliani and Chris Peden, too.

-jcr

I love RP's platform, and the Constitution, of course, but I cannot deny that I am a right-wing anarchist (anarcho-capitalist). I will fight to defend the Constitution, because I believe it is the most important document ever conceived to date, however I would gladly trade it in for no government at all, and a society organized completely along the lines of free market principles, pure private property, and completely voluntary association.

The whole thing is a scam to siphon votes/money/attention away from the Revolution. Just look at all the progress being made within the Republican Party nationwide. The Libertarian Party has not, is not and will not make much of a difference in the political landscape of America. The 2 party system is too biased to even let them get a foothold. Change one of the two major parties from within and toss the statists out on their arses. All we have to do is show up at the meetings and we win. Plain and simple.

I love Dr. Mary Ruwart's book and I'm glad she's in the running. As an long-standing LP person, it will be interesting, as always, to catch the LP debate(s) and the convention on CSPAN (I hope). Who would have thought that Badnarik would beat Nolan and Russo in '04?

The LP just never gets the numbers and even if Barr gets a nod from the Doc, I just don't think that the LP will get more than 2% of the national vote. I have been absolutely thrilled about Ron Paul and the thousands that he 'woke up', but I just don't think that things are bad enough and enough people understand enough for things to really change yet. It's all part of the evolution of liberty and I'm happy to be a part of it.

She has the intelligence, the kindness, and fully understands the issues.

She has great presence and I am sure once on the podium, her Gravitas will super seed former congressman Bob Barr and all the other contenders.

The key to the Libertarian choice, strategically, may be how the Obama Hillary race turns out.

Scenario #1)
If Obama looses via super delegates to Hillary, then Anti-war Democrats will be furious. Millions of Obama supporters will look for someone as well spoken and kind and as understanding as Obama. When they take a look at who the Libertarians have running and see Mary Ruwart they will hear and see a kindred spirit. Disgruntled Obama supporters, given the choice between the thieving Hillary and the war monger McCain, will race to support Mary. Mary is excellent speaker. Consider this speech on why you should not support the FDA. Death By Regulation http://www.isil.org/resou...

If on the other hand, Libertarians have up Barr, who looks, talks, and smells like an old dusty conservative (read me-me-& only me racist), they will quickly turn their heads away and look to Nader or the Green Party.

So, if the LP puts Mary up, could Mary take democratic votes away from the Hillary? Yes absolutely. Like Ron Paul her record is a long trail of consistent commitment to human liberty. The MSM media & political analysts would get the point if Hillary then looses to McCain.

Scenario #2)
If Obama WINS the democratic race, the best thing the Libertarians could do is put up someone like Barr who would hopefully take away any conservative votes for McCain, or at least enough to make a difference and through the race to Hillary. Hillary is on record of stating she will get us out of Iraq. (yea, I know she is a liar & no better than McCain). Yet the MSM pundits and pollsters reading the political tea leaves will say it was a vote against Bush, Against the Iraq War. The MSM media & political analysts would get the point if Obama then beats McCain.

The name of the game for the LP, to be relevant at all, is to TAKE VOTES away AT THE MARGIN from one of the two top parties, thus making them heed the Libertarian position. Thats influence. To maximize it, lets recap.

Recap:
Scenario #1) A Hillary vs McCain ticket, LP gains the most influence by taking Obama protest voters over to vote for Mary Ruwart

Scenario #2) An Obama vs McCain ticket, LP gains the most influence by taking disgruntled Conservative voters over to vote for Bob Barr.

Of course others have other reasons for liking Barr... Read Justin over at antiwar.com http://antiwar.com/justin...

Find out all about Mary Ruwart here:
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And this woman, Karen Kwiatkowski, would make a good VP.
A two woman ticket, Mary & Karen would be just the Obama supporters answer to Hillary/Bill Clinton. It would cut at their woman voter base.
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The name of the game is influence. Libertarians can influence who wins. Thus to influence the win in one direction or the other, is the goal or should be the goal. Libertarians have a whole recipe of issues, and each libertarian from Barr to Mary Ruwart offer the voting public a feeling and perspective and most of all, a protest vote.

Treg

great Dondero is potentially ruining another great candidate.

I see nothing wrong with Bob Barr.... I think Ron Paul is better, and that's why Bob Barr is my plan B. Should Ron not be an available option in November, and he endorses Bob Barr then I will give my support to him.

What could be better than two candidates with the same philosophies? He'd certainly be better than Obama, Hillary, or McCain.

As for me, I'm still holding out for a miracle....

The Dondero endorsement definitely makes me even more skeptical about Barr. In addition to all of the (true) comments posted above about Dondero -- didn't he also endorse the Ghoul during the primaries? If memory serves, he believed Rudy was the most "libertarian" candidate in the race, or something along those lines.

Dondero is a truly pathetic, small, sad, ignorant, little person.

People are understanding this is not about splitting factions. Libertarians only have one choice-Ron Paul. Register Republican and vote if you want to change this country.

Dondero writes: "If Barr takes the Ron Paul non-interventionist/pacifist line and claims that the War is a "failure" he'll end up looking foolish and run off a great many potential libertarian Republican supporters."

Newsflash! The "war" was a failure even if were to end tommorow. For what, something north of a trillion dollars, we will have spent more than 5 years killing others and ourselves in order to replace one corrupt regime with another, only the replacement dictator will need our constant vigilance and financial support to maintain an iron grip over resistance. Thats what I call failure. And the end of this "war"is no closer in sight than it was on day one.
What an idiot that guy is.

Green zone is motared, and rocketed at will. The Mahdi army still controlls the south, as the iraqi army needed the U.S. and British Air and artillery to fight them to a draw. At the same time, The turks are raiding the northern part of the country after Kurds, WTF ? It doesn't seem like it was worth the surge of casualties from last year.

If that's victory, I wonder what he would call defeat.

with Dr. Paul, and none with Mr. Barr; that's one point. The other is that, while Barr is just as anti-war as Paul, he puts it more diplomatically. That last is the only real difference between them: Ron Paul is a maverick, who likes giving politicians the middle finger, while Barr prefers to find ways to work with them. I admit I enjoy Paul's strategy, but that doesn't make Barr's unacceptable.

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Ron Paul is the man I admire. As long he campaigns, hes got my support.

Maybe this leopard has changed his spots but I think denying Barr the LP top spot is the price he should pay for his anti-libertarian efforts while in Congress. I simply don't buy his change of heart. If Ron doesn't take the nomination from McCrazy the alternatives are: 1. Write in Ron. 2. Vote third party. 3. Abstain from voting.

Regarding the write in, I'd want to see what Ron says about it. If he pushes it, fine. Otherwise, I think making a voting statement will be more effective than abstaining. So if it comes to third party and, say the Libertarians, want a "name" candidate they'd do better with Jesse Ventura than Barr. He's much better known, more popular, just as libertarian and has a genuine presence that people like. If Ron Paul voters want libertarian purity and an able communicator they couldn't do better than Mary Ruwart. Fom what little I've read George Phillies passes the purity test, and likely several others, who sadly, are nearly unknown and likely to stay that way. No comment about the Constitution Party's candidates because I can't relate to itsovert religiosity.

marlow

I am willing to keep an open mind toward Bob Barr, but as for Dondero, suspicion and contempt should greet his every move and statement, and any association he has with Barr makes me more inclined to question Mr. Barr more closely.