We have already had two constitutions, "The Articles of Confederation" and "The Constitution", why not write a new constitution?
Posted April 9th, 2008 by iehuvihs
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What would prevent us from drawing up a new constitution to make a new start. A constitution that would guarentee our freedoms from and limit the government. All we would have to do is copy and paste all the good parts of the old constitutions to make a new constitution. There are even a few items we could add; Personally I would like to add that the government has no right to raise taxes and cannot take on debt. How would the government pay off the current debt? Just sell all government properties back to the States and the people. I thought we could name the new constitution the "Liberty papers". Anyone have any other suggestions?
Here is a website comparing the past two constitutions of "The United States of America".
http://www.usconstitution...
http://www.yale.edu/lawwe...
grant
It would even make the Masons happy since it would be the "third" constitution.
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Sorry, but in the current
Sorry, but in the current political and social atmosphere in this country such an attempt would prove disastrous. There would be so many forces vying for power, place and voice that you would end with just a bastardized document that would be ineffective and totally deficient in both construction and execution.
The ideal will be to totally RESTORE the CURRENT CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC WHICH IT FORMED.
How so?
Do these contracts include other nations?
I would much rather have our
I would much rather have our current Constitution improved upon rather than have a brand new one written from scratch. Fact is, I don't believe we can trust most of our current political representatives to do what is right for the people.
It is very interesting.
Educate us!
Probably good to let this thread die now, thanks! iehuvihs.
Thanks for the discussion, it was very educational, sorry if my question affended anyone, just wanted to get some think through an idea with others. Very good ideas and convictions.
grant
the constitution
is good. we need to replace our elected representatives.
Let's just keep the one we have-
eliminate bad amendments (such as the Income Tax amendment) and pass the balanced budget amendment and Abolish the Federal Reserve amendments--while we're at it , get judges nominated who would declare the Patriot Act totally unconstitutional, eliminate unConstitutional Federal agencies, and actually look at the founding Fathers beliefs BEFORE making a ruling...But to do that would require a Ron Paul presidency and enough RP-endorsed congressmen and Senators to uphold his principles.
Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips
Writing a new constitution
Writing a new constitution would be problematic. The idea of big government is too popular now. Rather than limiting government, a new constitution would probably expand it.
Exactly
Exactly what I was going to say. Right now they are trying to overthrow the one we have, and you really want to allow then to draft a new one? If so, say bye bye to the bill of rights and every other protection the people have from the government.
The One We Have is Pretty Good
I'm very hopeful that we can "overthrow" the government and put in a new one without having to shed blood or start over.
The Constitution describes a very flexible governmental system that allows for revolutions to happen peacefully from within through simply enforcing it and electing better representation.
Critical mass is what's needed, and on that front, I think Ron Paul is right to be encouraged. These cycles are organic to society, but I hope the technology (especially the Internet) will allow the dip into slavery to be short and shallow compared to centuries past.
IMissLiberty
That sounds like
a lot of work without much return. I think working toward making the government follow the current one is more productive.
Wake up!
We don't have a Constitution other than a document that is worshipped by some but followed by one. Have you ever read the Constitution? If you have you know that very little of the original document currently applies. I will be in St. Paul to support and vote for Ron Paul. And by some miracle we may even get him elected, but then what? Unless we are willing to bring down the central government, and they aren't going to just hand us the keys, then they will just do what they did to Andrew Johnson, make Ron Paul an impeached president in office. Do you think they will even broadcast his inauguration speech? Washington is a country of it's own, they control all the power. Some of you just don't want to admit it.
No thanks, I like the one we have just fine.
The problem with our current Constitution is YOU. And in all fairness, me too.
WE need to get involved in running our government. That is the only way that our government will ever represent us.
A new constitution would be better than "none".
Sorry if I offended anyone, I forgot for a moment that the Bill of Rights are no longer valid.
Some times there is no option.
Unfortunately force may have to be taken, but what option do we have, either we die fighting for our rights or remain slaves and die fighting to protect their interests. Either way we die!
iehuvihs is not a Ron Paul or contitution or freedom supporter
Hi Agent of the Federal Reserve Bank or the federal government.
How much do you get paid to pretend to be dumb??
Your not a supporter of Ron Paul and the freedom movement, and you should know that your posts only make Ron Paul supporters become more creative and dedicated to take down you banking tower.
Here is a song for you federal reserve bank.
We know about you. http://www.youtube.com/wa...
Aimee Allen sing us the Ron Paul revolution song http://www.youtube.com/wa...
iehuvihs posts shoul be flagged and deleted.
Personal attacks...
.. make you look shallow and vapid.
Why not just reseat the
Why not just reseat the original jurisdiction government, which is thus far partially reseated, that created the corporation that we affectionately call our "government," thereby, regaining control of it and truly restoring our Constitutionally protected God given rights.
Samuel
Do you remember our conversation on another thread about this whole Corporation fiasco? I read something the other day that the contract that was a result from the act 1871 has just expired. Have you seen any information on this, just think of the implications if that is true? It would mean that we could then move back into the original Republic with the original Constitution. I believe the year was 1938 when the Supreme Court made the ruling that subverted our Constitutional Republic into a "Legislative Democracy".
Victory, The Organic Act of
Victory,
The Organic Act of 1871 wasn't a contract but an act of Congress; of which, Congress was well within it's right to propose due to the powers Congress was given over the District of Columbia under the first organic act of 1801 (District of Columbia Acts) which defined what the District of Columbia was to be and that Congress could make any law in the said district.
Here is a link to a copy of the text of the 1871 Act, but only the first page:
http://www.liferepatterni...
Nowhere in the text of the 1871 Act does it state that the act will expire, sunset or that the corporation will dissolve at some particular date.
Now, any piece of legislation that has been passed after the 17th Amendment falls under the corporate jurisdiction only. And, remember, Congress could enact any law they wanted in the District of Columbia, so the fact that the 17th Amendment is not ratified and is unconstitutional is irrelevant. With all that in mind, the very next election that took place was for the corporate seats only and by the time of 1938 there was no original jurisdiction seats filled.
No, I was referring a contract
that came later as a result of the act 1871, when FDR declared our country bankrupt---anyway will have to research it more, there is soooooo much written about all of this all of the sudden. I can hardly keep up with it. Thanks for the response, sorry for the confusion.
Any legislation that was
Any legislation that was enacted after the original jurisdiction seats were abandoned apply only to the corporation. They have no bearing on the original jurisdiction.
It sounds like you have
some legal training, I have none but this subject fascinates me for some reason. I also read that the corporate government of the US has no jurisdiction or authority over any state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia, does that make sense?
The only legal training I
The only legal training I have is what I have learned from my own studies. I do enjoy studying the law, but have no aspirations of becoming an attorney.
While you a correct when saying, "the corporate government of the US has no jurisdiction or authority over any state of the Republic beyond the District of Columbia," they do have jurisdiction over the Corporate States and anyone that chooses to contract with them.
I would prefer to have the Old one too!
I am all for going back to the Constitution, but if the government doesn't recognize this one and plans to abolish it altogether, then perhaps it is time to get rid of our government and start again. We will still remain "The United States of America" except we would eliminate the current monopoly and go back to a multi-government system of States.
Well..
.. the only two options for abolishing it altogether are:
1) vote it out
2) take it by force
Personally, I don't think #1 will ever be allowed...
Because...
.. the democrats and republicans would write the new constitution.
The one we have is really cool -- it's just being ignored.
Let's wait.. please
=P
I know where we can get...
one that is not being used.
I prefer to move forward!
Do you think it will be easier to write a new constitution or stop the NAU?
Ask the people
of United Kingdom if they will get to vote on the EU Constitution. They are leading us down a tunnel and we won't be walking back.
Good luck on that one. We
Good luck on that one. We already have a great Constitution and it can absolutely be amended. Why not plug the holes? You think it would be easier to destroy the whole government and start afresh rather than just getting some amendments passed? Maybe neither is even possible, but the former is even less possible than the latter.