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Something is Going On With the Airlines With All These Flight Cancellations
Posted April 10th, 2008 by jcavaluzzi
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What's with all these "wiring inspections" all of a sudden with the airlines ? Sound very strange to me. What do you think ?
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It's to DIVERT THE AMERICAN PUBLICs ATTENTION from....
all the disasters now upon Americans:
The Falling $$
Recession
High gas prices/consumer goods
Housing Bubble
Iraq Quagmire...
There Goes Another...
"Frontier Airlines Files for Bankruptcy Protection "
http://www.bloomberg.com/...
It does sound fishy
Honestly, if you forced me to guess, I'd say that airlines are pushing to get a bailout...
why not? Banks got one. Homebuilders are next. Why not get in line?
Bingo
Fortune Favors the Bold
Now just wait a gosh darn second
I thought it was going to be the end of the world this week and they didn't want any planes to be up in the air when planet X hits....right?
They keep cutting through all the chemtrails and messing them up?
They keep getting in the way of all the aliens who are trying to invade?
The food shortage has cleaned out the supply of bags of peanuts the bastards hand out?
All of the bird flu took out the rubber chicken they serve?
All the Russian bomber overflights are screwing up the routing?
Hmmmm...I'm running out of stuff...Alex Jones?! Help me out here! Is this an Illuminati thing? Are they trying to end the airline industry so only the global elite can fly?
Jeff Rense...? What do you think? It's a nazi thing? I KNEW IT!
No?
No way?! It can't be the GD flouride again!
I am still seeing jets flying all over the place in the sky over my house...should I duck?
T
Another demoralized American
"When faced with the truth they will outright deny it."
Some possibilities...
1. Money - The airline might be having financial troubles and by canceling all those flights they will be able to push those passengers (100,000 were stranded on Wednesday) to other flights which were not full. Cutting out 1500 or so flights and filling many others might add up to a lot of $$$
2. Security - Maybe there is some security issue which is classified. Calling it unscheduled maintenance rather than security issue might prevent some sort of "panic" where people don't fly for a while.
3. False Flag - Maybe a preparation for some sort of false flag event?
4. Or maybe it is truly maintenance. Maybe somebody discovered something that was installed wrong and they are checking all the planes to make sure they are all done right..
A close
friend of mine that works at the Memphis airport and FedEx informed me that for the planes to continue offering such low fares all of this time even though the gas prices were through the roof, they slacked on their maintenance. Now, every other plane that lands has "unscheduled maintenance" because there are nuts, bolts, wires, etc missing/broken/frayed/etc. and they have to fix them before they can take back off. The planes are falling apart. They cannot afford to pay the proper staff to maintain them because they make somewhere in the neighborhood of $30+ per hour. So they just laid them off and hired regular mechanics that are not specialized aircraft mechanics.
I am figuring that this could be part of the reason but I don't know for sure.
He told me that he didn't want me flying anything but Southwestern because all of the other ones were falling apart.
Ok WELL Let me tell you as
Ok WELL
Let me tell you as an AIRLINE INSIDER. There are only 2 or so airlines paying over 30 bucks an hour, NOT COUNTING CARGO CARRIERS.
Both those airlines are successful.
One is continental and the other southwest. BOTH out source their heavy maintenance.
The other airlines CUT THEIR WAGES, Busted unions such as northwest and us airways. AND MOST LAID off a large percentage of their maintenance.
Last I heard, American is the least outsourced airline in the industry. Their mechanics are paid poorly, and they are no doubt abused by management routinely.
There is a war against employees of airlines, Maintenance technicians are especially targeted work group.
Besides do you actually think 30 dollars an hour is alot of money?
HA the most expensive aircraft I work on is 160 million dollars. If you have an auto mechanic making 40-80 thousand a year working on 20-80 thousand dollar cars, Doesnt it make sense for an aircraft technician to be making 120 thousand a year?
Uh... no
This is a Ron Paul website, right? People are paid their alternative cost of replacement. That's it.
If there are more people qualified to be aircraft technicians than there are to be CEOs, CEOs will get paid more and aircraft techs less...
Not following your logic?
Not following your logic? OFCOURSE CEO's are paid more, there are less of them and they play god with peoples jobs homes and retirement.
Since I had been a Ron Paul fan for 7 or more years, I was merely answering these conspiracy theories on aviation incidences such as groundings.
Southwestern
It always amazes me how Southwestern continues to rise to the top as a successful company in spite of the bad economy, high fuel prices, labor unions, etc. It is proof that the market can work if you get the government out of the way. Why should the government bail out failing airlines when there are airlines like Southwestern that are not just surviving but thriving under the same conditions. In fact, the government's meddling makes things more difficult for legitimate and successful companies as they have to deal with the extra taxes and fees levied by the government to support failure.
South west is an anomoly, It
South west is an anomoly,
It is the most heavily unionized, well paid and have a great employee/er relationship.......
They also have management who didnot have their heads up their butts. They hedged fuel heavily at the right time.
Southwest was the airline I
Southwest was the airline I heard mentioned most often during the safety hearings on C-Span last week....read my post below with the notes I took. I don't think I'll ever fly with them again. I can't support a company that would knowingly place its passengers at such great risk. They were fined $10 mil.....
Loved the DC-9
I worked in STL for McDonnell-Doughlas (in advance spacecraft and missiles) during the 70's. During that time the DC-9 passed it's 3,000 aircraft built milestone. It was a great plane. And the work ethic of everyone in the company that I came into contact with was top notch. I even had a meeting on the Space Shuttle program with J. S McDonnell (Old Mac). Only 4 of us in an all-afternoon meeting. Quite a head trip for a 21 year old me. Old Mac was an engineer, not an attorney or bean counter. He didn't cut corners and neither did others while he was in control. As I understand the current problem on the MD-80s, the zip strip used in the bundling was tied in the wrong direction!
By the way, I'm stuck in Chicago due to AA cancelling my flight to MSP this morning. I missed an 11 a.m. mtg so am just going to cut bait and head back home. Sure hope they are offering full refunds! As of last night and earlier today AA wasn't even answering the phones.
"We're American Airlines...
"...somehting special on the ground."
Seriously, and all old jingles aside, it just shows what poor maintenance on old and badly-designed (MD-80 series is a mess) aircraft will do.
And this is yet another reason I won't fly American if I can help it.
The bigger issue is the recent shutdown. Skybus, Aloha (after 60 years) and ATA in three consecituve days, and Continental, Delta, USAir, United, and Northwest looking to consolidate in one form or another. All from fuel costs...
Another 570 cancelled for
Another 570 cancelled for Friday. Glad I'm not flying .. ughhh.
Like I mentioned before
I just hope that our fellow Freedom Rally supporters make it in time before the rally is over.
As For Why Now?
Maybe the huge cost of lost business will be off-set by the fuel savings, and the whole job will be finished before summer season.
IMissLiberty
I watched a bit of the House
I watched a bit of the House hearings regarding airline safety last week. I took notes and will share them here with you cuz I feel they are relevant to this topic. I was only able to watch here and there so forgive me if it comes across as disjointed.
Southwest Airlines was fined $10 mil; the last SWA FAA inspection was in 1999; a CMO simply did not do 21 key inspections; 5 AD violations have already occurred in 2008; whistle blowers testified most of the morning; 25 letters of concern from both within and outside of the department were completely ignored; Southwest was mentioned most often but Northwest was also mentioned; 46 planes flew over 1400 flights with known cracks in their hulls and fuselages; PMI guilt of rubberstamping; Calvin Scovel, Thomas Stuckey and ? Locke spoke to the issue
Damn right there's something
Damn right there's something going on. Documentation is not being issued in a way that mechanics can properly interpret. Wiring bundles that are in the exposed airstream are not being tie-wrapped every inch as required, and the FAA is trying to cover their glorified asses because in large part they allowed it to happen.
The FAA Strikes Again
http://www.lewrockwell.co...
The FAA Strikes Again
Posted by Bill Anderson at April 10, 2008 04:33 PM
Hundreds of flights canceled and thousands of stranded travelers, all thanks to the FAA's deliberate grounding of a bunch of planes. While the media and politicians will portray this as the heroic FAA trying to keep these dastardly profit-seeking airlines from crashing all their jets and killing passengers and crew (because, ladies and gentlemen, airlines only earn profits if they crash enough planes).
Actually, I see this as a very cynical ploy by the FAA to make a statement of who is boss. The actual safety issues here are quite minor, and Southwest actually was the entity that first found out about the cracks in the paint on one of its jets, and reported it to the FAA, but the FAA says they did not do it quickly enough, hence the $10 million fine, which is about a quarter of the companies net profits last year.
Airlines are hurting under the huge increases in fuel. Airline stocks are in trouble, and so the FAA is making a huge statement: we can destroy you anytime we wish to do so.
This is not a case of the FAA looking for real problems; it is just another government ploy to harass airlines and to harass travelers.
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Or, could it be
the time is oportunitistic for a very pre-meditated takeover for various airlines, banks and other major services and institutions. I know there was supposedly a whistleblower involved, but all of these airlines at the same time? Something does not add up, we will see.
I am A TRAINED Md88 Tech.
I have worked for Delta airlines, I have ALSO attended the MD-88 school. It is a 2 week school covering level 2 aircraft systems and level one AVIONICS systems. I also have worked one year Flight line maintenance on Md-88.
First off, the aircraft in question started in the 60s with the Douglas corporation as the dc-9, then Mcdonnel and Douglas joined and they continued producing it as the MD-80 and MD-88. Further varients after Boeing bought MD was the MD-90 and the 717.
OK. AMERICAN AIRLINES is the grand master all knowing md-80 operator of the whole world. THEY grounded their fleet VOLUNTARILY the first time, shortly there after Delta did so also. EVIDENTLY possibly some of the INSP were done inproperly or pencil whipped. After the insp they must have had another incident. That is what prompted the American to ground the fleet again.
NOW HERE THIS, this is a short-mid range aircraft capable in passenger config to fly from NYC to Dallas as its MAX permisssable range. IF the aircraft is used internationally, it is mexico and canada and maybe some of the islands. SO the likely hood of that radiation story bellow is ALMOST total crap.
So getting to my experiences with the md88, WHICH IS ONLY A LONGER md88. It is a wonderful aircraft that is so simple and self reliant, that if TOTAL electrical failure would happen, IN CONJUNCTION with TOTAL HYDraulic failure, The Dc9 md80 md88 can land without incident.
COMPRENDE!!!!!
If you would like to study a crash with the Md88 due to multiple reasons including bad maintenance/management practices look up the Alaskan airlines crash....
OK as for some stories that the public MAY NOT want to hear. There is a relay that is located aft of the cockpit, just below the flight att seat near the L1 DOOR. ON OCCASION. Since this relay is OLD school 1960's 1970's technology, they have points in them. After years of service, the points get carbon build up on them. This relay IS A SERIOUS PAIN In the butt to change, So what do you do. You get EVERYBODY off the aircraft including the crew. Close the door. AND KICK THE PANEL JUST AFT OF THE RELAY> If it still doesnt work. You take the panel off and take your flashlight and tap the relay to break loose the carbon. This is what a master mechanic showed me one day and I had never repeated it. BUT IT WORKED. Now go back and read about that this aircraft can land safely without Hydraulics and electrics again. BREATHE. I know Little scary.
To make you feel better, that is the only aircraft I have ever witnessed Kicking on.......
As far as I know this is self imposed groundings. That is the reason that it is not world wide.
Please put some of your more wild notions away. Aircraft Maintenance Technicians are Underpaid, Underappreciated, more recently overworked and Take a beating health wise doing their jobs.
Its one of the few jobs in the world where you can make a mistake, kill 300 people and walk away. They/I are a different breed of people.
DC-9/MD-80-90 series was a horrible plane
Douglas went to crap after the DC-8 "Lead Sled". DC-9, MD-80, DC-10/11 all were aircraft that were lousy designs. Douglas had the MD-12 design just before Boeing bought them out, but Boeing shelved the design and the designer left for Airbus and took it with him. The MD-12 design became the A380.
Douglas did very good with the DC series up to the -9. The planes are only still around because Boeing screwed up and discontinued the 757 and left a hole in that size that a 737 can't fill (too small) and the 767/777/747 are all too big. That's why the 787 is the size it is, to replace the 757 and 767. Beoing also screwed up on the 717 and that's why Embraer and CRJ own that market now (and Embraer makes the better plane).
Ah, well. I'll stick to driving. No TSA to worry about in the cattle calls, either.
The only differece between
The only differece between the dc9 and md80 is a plug in the fuselage to make the md80 larger. The design is rather simple. Some small avianics changes but nothing major.... SORRY if you like the dc9, you still like the md88 and md80.
Thanks Expat.
Answers my earlier question. These planes are not flown, as far as I have seen, in Australia. That's why no grounding here.
Seems simple enough, thanks.
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I was on a DC3 we kicked a lot of stuff.
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Expat .. Thanks for the
Expat ..
Thanks for the first-hand point of view. Nice to read :-)
Rewiring.
Perhaps they are putting in remote control equipment, oh, I forgot they already have this capability.
Not this aircraft. all
Not this aircraft. all cable flight controls and the auto pilot forces can be overwhelmed by manual input. Only in a stall condition that the pilot would have to overcome 150 lbs of nose down config. Special motor for that.
My guess
They are probably installing Real I.D. readers. Maybe they are putting in scanners in the doorways like in grocery stores so they can track who is on the plane.
They wouldn't need to ground flights.
They could just install devices as planes come in for their regular service -- flights would go on as normal.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Who benefits ??
Taking control. gear Rockefeller and Russo http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I find it very hard to believe,
That the Neocon controlled government is letting the airlines cancel flights. I don't know what is going on, but there is no way they would sacrafice profits for their biggest supporters unless something big was gonna happen. The Neocons and big business don't care about safety as far as the travelling public is concerned, they only care about profit.
Only time will tell.
Economy deliberately being crashed
This is another veiled means to bring the economy to a halt to precipitate the North American Union. Americans will never accept the NAU....but if the economy were to come to a crash....
Remember Spitzer was politically assassinated because he was trying to bring to light in his Washington Post article below that the federal government blocked the States from taking steps to prevent the housing disaster. The federal government even created unprecidented new harsh laws to prevent the states from taking any action. It is my assessment that you can expect more veiled means to bring us down soon. Our government has been hijacked by the Zionist/Globalists and it is time that we all realize it.
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Absolutely
You are exactly right. I have been sensing this.
I agree
Profit is the bottom line. So I think maybe it's a scare tactic by the government to make people panic and think oh, no, we may be getting attacked soon -- the planes aren't safe, they're not letting us fly for some other reason. "What's going on??"
Bush is probably just getting ready to invade Iran.
Or they're trying to stop the April 15 march in Washington - ha ha!
One more thought
We decided we will DRIVE to the Convention, rather than book any flights...
they can't afford to fly anymore
the cost of all the new interrogation and fuel.The airlines will be the first to fold.
If the wierdest story is the most likely one...
In an article on a less-than-reputable site, I read that a suitcase nuke got into the country, and the planes are all being inspected for radiation to try to narrow down suspects.
I can't help it, they accused me so many times, I got curious, and now I enjoy reading all the "whacked out" stuff, too. Sometimes it can make me laugh, while today's comedians, not so much.
A suitcase nuke on a plane is the last place to have one
Suitcase nukes are designed for ground-burst deployment, not air-burst in a plane.
The rush for war with Iran is growing, - again.
But a 911 or a Pearl Harbor is needed.
Oddly a mini nuke in a plane high enough would fit the bill.
Very visible, radiation, blame Iran.
I was shocked at the 'lost nuke story'.
http://www.speroforum.com...
And to find six airmen involved died within weeks.
My take is there will be a new war and the elections will be canceled.
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bankrupt for sure
definitely something going on that we don't know about...I'm guessing that they are getting hit hard by the recession and higher fuel costs.
If it's a safety issue, why aren't planes grounded all over the
world? Why just the US?
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Good point
good point...
Thanks.
At first I thought it was only the MD-80s but seems like it's more than that? Could someone clarify? I know there are some planes that don't fly here in Australia -- DC-10s I think is one plane not here in Oz or, at least I've never seen one in 15 years.
Point being. What aircraft are grounded and, as in the case of the Boeing 700 series, are they common in other countries as well? Comparing with Canada would be a good start. Lots of Boeing planes in Australia and flights are normal with no cancellations being reported.
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Lisa C.
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American's problem likely to spread
Delays May Surpass American's 2,400
By DAN CATERINICCHIA, AP Business Writer
1 HOUR AGO
WASHINGTON - This week's flight cancellations by American Airlines are likely to spread to other U.S. airlines in the weeks ahead as federal regulators step up a by-the-book review of carriers' compliance with maintenance and safety orders issued in recent years.
"If we do uncover any safety issues from these audits, the carriers will have to make a business decision as to how to deal with the issue," Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Les Dorr said
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"If we do uncover any safety
"If we do uncover any safety issues from these audits, the carriers will have to make a business decision as to how to deal with the issue,"
A "business" decision? I thought the job of the inspectors was to ensure that everything is safe and when it is not to make sure the airlines fix the problems. So they are putting safety on the same level as business/profits?
And continue
through the summer, according to reports. Hopefully everyone can get to the Freedom rally on the 15th, before it is over with.