IRS suffers significant loss in Court case...

messages of our freedom movement. I believe all jurors should be given a 'miranda' reading before a trial begins, including a copy of the 'citizen's rule book.' Power to We the People!

God will work with you but not for you - Walter Russell

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There are some great comments on this topic on this thread. Especially look up my post with the link to a Restore the Republic article. MUST READ THAT ARTICLE!! It's more recent information and includes a letter opinion from the IRS -- it's great news.

It's surprising the government isn't suing for breech of the minimum wage laws.

If you are going to set up to pay your employees in gold and silver coins, I would think you should do it right away. Since I am sure the government or the IRS will pass some law stating you must report wages paid in gold and silver coins in market value not face value. If you do this now, you might not be in violation until the new unlawful law takes place. I am NOT an attorney but you might want to ask one before proceeding.

Also, I have a feeling that Robert Kahre was well educated and wealthy. Two things that he had going for him.

My suggestion from yesterday was to start paying for services in silver coins. Ask your stylist, nail tech, dentist, etc...if they would like to be paid in silver or gold. That alone will ease up on the dollars out there. Think about it.

I would be delighted to be paid in silver dollars over FRN's. I am self employed in a service business and NO employees.

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

As much as I applaud the jury in these cases dismissing the defendants, I would be loathe to recommend that anyone else try the same thing. Using and being paid US gold and silver coins at their nominal face value could not help but raise a gigantic red flag with the IRS, and bring an audit down upon one's head, at the very least. And even if one were to win such a case, again, would it be worth the misery and expense? Plus, after this case, I suspect that a ruling will soon be made (if it has not been already) to close this tax loophole.

I'm all for doing everything one can to avoid paying extra taxes to the Infernal Revenue Service, but trying this same kind of stunt will only be inviting trouble, in my opinion. Now, if multiple people continue to do it, and get away with it, then that would be another story.

that those of us working for $30,000 a year or so are actually only making somewhere around $20,000 (would that be right?) or less in real money (when base it on silver)...for an entire year..then taxes....when there are people floating in money out there - making millions. My salary is a Christmas bonus for most people, especially when you look at the "real" salary based on face value of silver.

guess I'll just have to retype above.

convince small shop owners to accept gold and or silver coin. If they do, they only need report the face value as revenue. They could then legitimately take a loss on the period and not pay any corporate taxes either. They can also show lower sales and thus remit less sales taxes. Any taxes they do have to pay, they can pay with depreciating FRN's instead of the silver. Of course they shouldn't try to deposit that stuff in a bank, as they will only get credit for face value. They can use it to either meet payroll, or pay their suppliers who agree to take it as well, and to keep some to use in change at the register.

It wouldn't be hard to publish exchange rates daily at the counter. Other countries do it quite easily. There is also the option to stick to the 30,100, or 200 day moving average on spot silver or gold to keep things stablized. Eventually, they could just price things in old silver/gold dollars or in silver/gold ounces and post the exchange rate in FRN's. Kind of like if you went to Mexico and saw prices in Pesos but had only FRN's to pay with. (and yes, I have bought things in Mexico with U.S. silver before and they loved it)

As for supply, the Secretary of the Treasury is under the order to mint as many Gold and Silver coins currently authorized to meet demand. If we want real money in circulation, we need to increase demand for it. Most likely, coin shops would supplant banks as exchange houses in the short term and other institutions would take hold to fill the void. Note** only federally connected banks, not state chartered banks which have refused Federal Reserve membership, are prohibited from paying out gold and silver coin. A bank could be chartered in a state and refuse FED membership and operate constitutionally with gold and silver if they desired. As the 'real money' economy grew and crowded out the paper fiat economy, banks would want to get in on it or at least not lose deposits.

Could you imagine demanding to be paid at a bank in actual dollars when presenting a check or loan?? (I'd just love to see the look on their faces)

This is how we will restore the Republic. Heck, it's how they saved it the first time when the "continental" just about destroyed this country in the 1780's.

We can wait for a state to implement the plan outlined in another thread, or we can just start doing this on our own. The law supports us and there is nothing the FED or the IRS can do about it. And as long as we are circulating the money, the President can't claim we are 'hoarders' and confiscate it.

Drudge report. lets see if they pick it up. Might be good for april 15 tax story.

Here's another good article about this: http://www.lvrj.com/news/...

"Once the criminal cases are over, Kahre will pursue related civil actions he has filed against several parties, including federal prosecutor Damm, Internal Revenue Service agents and North Las Vegas police officers who had roles in the raid or indictment process."

Can we all start paying everyone in silver? That way we wouldn't be using dollars but use silver as a medium of exchange. Of course the stores wouldn't go for it. But how about people in services. Like someone posted here about paying the the lawn boy in silver. Well, how about your hairstylist, or people like me an esthetician or nail tech, massage therapists. How about your dentist?

Any thoughts???

Trade with all nations; alliances with none. ~Thomas Jefferson

Thanks galtgulch.
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Lisa C.

www.women4ronpaul.com

Now I'm waiting to see what comes up next- will the IRS appeal or not?

Libera me, let the truth break, what my fears make--Leslie Phillips

I should pay my lawn guy in silver dimes!

Is it okay to cry on this one...? Happy to tears!!!!
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

Thanks for this article. I know there was a thread a couple of weeks ago where a couple of posters brought up this very idea ... if your employer is willing, why not??