Paulville & The Dark Side Of Libertarianism
Posted April 18th, 2008 by CanyonRoad
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The Amish lead lives of simplicity and sexual modesty. These are two indispensable traits of a successful community. Unfortunately, there is a dark side to libertarianism which upholds financial and sexual conquest. Intentional communities - like Paulville - always fail because they forget about the next generation.
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the whole point of freedom is choice and personal responsibility. If you want to establish a puritanical community with other like minded individuals, that's your right. If people want to establish a community of "loose" sexual morals or whatever, that's they're right too. If there are consequences, then no one is forced to help them. They have to take responsibility for their choices.
This isn't a "dark side". It's the nature of freedom. Freedom is the freedom to disagree, and make mistakes.
If that is true then our
If that is true then our current form of government have forgotten about the next generation in a much more significant way. Congress and the rest in Washington have squandered our future. A libertarian government with zero debt would be more than 9 trillion times better than the mess we are currently in.
say what???
America flourished as a libertarian society and became the greatest nation in the history of mankind, it wasn't until we, as a people (majority), rejected the ideals of libertarianism and common law (personal freedom, responsibility for ones own actions) and embraced the idea of civil law (based on roman civil code) and big government as being the solution to all problems, that we began to decay into ruin...
Remove your hands from the keyboard!
Now put one thumb in your mouth and the other thumb in your Southern Orifice...now wait fot it...wait...wait...Now Switch back and forth repeatedly. Now you are productive!
...um...wtf? Though perhaps
...um...wtf? Though perhaps slightly communistic in nature...I dont think anyone was suggesting that Paulville be a place of loose morals and a perpetual orgy...
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double post sorry
double post sorry
"I dont think anyone was
"I dont think anyone was suggesting that Paulville be a place of loose morals and a perpetual orgy..."
No? Oh darn! And here I had my hopes up ..........
HAHA!well i suppose it COULD
HAHA!well i suppose it COULD be if you really wanted it to be....
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We all have different and divergent goals.
I would be more inclined to say "Intentional Communities"
fail because of the differing intensities of each individuals
intentions. Our commonalities bind us up to the point
of our blessed individualities...then we compromise,
negoiate or split.
"Liberty and Freedom for our Grandkids"
Let's rephrase that
Most Daily Paulers lead lives of logical simplicity and intellectual honesty. These are two indispensable traits of a successful internet community. Unfortunately, there is a dark side to libertarianism which upholds the presence of irrational lunatics such as "CedarMill". Intentional internet communities - like The Daily Paul - always fail because they neglect to kick out damaging and dangerous trolls until they have caused irreversable harm to intelligent dialogue.
Cedar Mill - Master of the
Cedar Mill - Master of the Post Grenade ...
Just toss a post out there, but when people start to actually debate the theory behind it .... zoooooom! He's nowhere to be found!
No, I Read All Your Responses
and consider every argument. I'm not a troll. I have done a lot of work for Ron Paul - going back to his '88 campaign. I want Ron Paul to win and the Freedom Movement to continue.
Did you go out canvassing last weekend? How many supporters have you identified? Are you a delegate?
Thank you
You are not a troll then.. you are a flamer.
A flamer is a recent addition to the internet community. Generally they are social outcasts that have a desperate need for attention. Because an online medium such as a forum has no realtime repercussions they are free to garner attention without repercussion.
To a flamer, attention is attention. Negative attention is a lot easier to gather, so this is where they generally degrade thier conversation points to, as it is the biggest ~bang for the buck~ for them.
The problem is that once they garner attention, they need more. The other problem is that they are generally REALLY good at finding issues that get them more attention.. it turns into a self-destructive cycle for thier persona. At the least, it hurts the online community that they prey on. Worst case, the subjects ~retrain~ thier thought processes to accept more and more antisocial behavior to the point that they take it into reality.
Either way, it follows a pattern and a cycle. Eventually either the online persona or the person themselves self-destructs.
Wish you luck guy... I'll not comment any more on your posts. Think of Cedarmill as Gollum.. somewhere in a basement.. and your replies are the precious.
Be nice people.. don't give him the precious.
Hey Devon, I would LOVE to
Hey Devon, I would LOVE to lock this guy in a basement for a week with his computer (if he is not already there) ---- with his internet connection leading only to the computer of OneVoiceofReason, and vice versa. Now THAT would be poetic justice!
I wonder whose Gollum-brain would be the first to explode?
CedarMill is having you on people.
The joke is on us.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Come on now...
The good thing about a free society is that you can choose to live with people who are as modestly sexual and simple as you like. No need to force your strict view on everyone.
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Have I missed something?
I am a Christian, not Amish, and would consider myself leading a life of simplicity and sexual modesty, yet mostly libertarian. I was under the understanding that libertarians believe in freedom for all, as long as one doesn't crush another's freedom, which sexual conquest would, whether child molestation or abortion. (killing the unborn). I don't know how I feel about these intentional communities, just because I havn't quite thought about them, although they did appeal to me in my hippie days...... but now I am a Christian, and very much a capitalist. I guess I object to your dark side theory. There are dark people in any group, but I don't think that libertarianism promotes it. I neglect to comment either way on intentional communities, as I have no opinion on it. It sounds good, but I don't know how it would work in real life.
good point
I would also add that looking at libertarianism in such a narrow view (the "dark side" as the poster uses it) misses out on a major tenet of libertarianism: Responsibility. With added freedom comes added responsibility. This whole dark side thing seems to discount the ability of free people to think through the consequences of their actions and to tailor their actions accordingly. In other words, cedarmill is confusing two concepts: libertarianism and anarchism.
And I would also add that Amish communities are not bastions of freedom to be envied by us. They may be "off the grid" as it were - - but I would think it ludicrous to think that the Amish are somehow more "free" because of it. Their religious strictures place chains on the members of the community that resemble what the State can do to restrain us non Amish people's freedom. We have laws and regulations. They have moral claims and hell fire. At the end of the day though, a chain is still a chain. I do not envy the Amish one bit. I do respect them though.
Sorry...
You probably have not had the dubious honor of seeing Cedarmills's other posts.
Synopsis: Women in a poly relationship have lost thier human rights, monogamy is redefined as having children with one partner, Britian in the 18th century was a shining example of human rights, Rich men in England hurt a poor woman's chances of breeding, poly is bad! , Satanism has something to do with poligamy, woman's rights are being trampled on if a weak male uses an alpha female's eggs, (poly is bad) .. children I guess are bad if they are not in a monogamous relationship, or thier parents are, or something to that effect.... sexual wantonness is great! (but you need to be monogamous)...poligamy makes weaker males kill each other or move to other countries or planets where monogamy is king..... Oh.. and if you're not monogamous, you live in a slum and are the downfall of humanity.
I think that was the high points... feel free to jump in or run away screaming.. ;)
Personally, I am a fervent
Personally, I am a fervent advocate of multigamy --- marriage to EVERYONE! That way, I can take advantage of alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon, all the way to omega eggs with wild abandon! Monogamy is the spawn of the Devil and must be stamped out! I declare Jihad against the monogamous infidels!
Well, maybe Cedar Mill needs
Well, maybe Cedar Mill needs to shut off his computer, have his electricity disconnected, sell his car, buy a horse and carriage, and find himself a nice Amish community where he'll feel better about his situation.
Unfortunately for CedarDull the Amish have standards
Unfortunately for CedarDull the Amish have standards.
Seriously. Bring the flag
Seriously. Bring the flag feature back. Cedar Mill and his archaic way of thinking need to GO!
what the ....
Hey cedarmill.... i got a riddle maybe you can help me solve. It involves priests, extreme sexual modesty, and the molestation of little boys. Which came first: The sexual modesty or the molestation?
Look forward to your reply.
Thanks!
I was gearing up with 234234234342 other examples.... yours just made me blow beer out of my nose.
Sweet and to the point... perfect.
I aim to please
Unfortunately, thats also what the priest in the riddle said. Zing!!!
hahahhahaha
***applause***
***applause***
moron
where is the flag link?
Fianancial conquest? Free markets are the most fair markets there are. If there were truly free markets wealth is distributed very evenly. As for your reference to sexual deviance being tied somehow to libertarism. Take a look at your government officials......I don't see our libertarian minded congressman tapping his foot in bathroom stalls or rubbing cigars in strange places. And your child comment, Libertarians believe in educating their own children as they see fit and teaching them morality and ideals and the golden rule. You post is nonsensical and the ramblings of a drooling idiot.
Christ wept
Cedarmill at it again...
Prove to me that sexual modesty is the cornerstone of a successful community.
By using words that you do not change the meaning of.
And define what you think sexual modesty means first... we're kinda thinking that you're taking that to mean that you get laid 3 times a year in the missionary position with your single mate which you are joined for life with.
Not that I expect a reply from you after debunking all your other crap posts, but hey! Give it a shot.. ;)
I'll not even debate the other parts of your current diatribe.. let's stick to one issue.