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book:The Myth of National Defense, by Hans-Hermann Hoppe
Posted April 19th, 2008 by atrickpay
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It argues that "national defense" as provided by government is a myth not unlike the myth of socialism itself. Defense services are more viably privatized and replaced by the market provision of security.
Mises.org link
"The lesson of September 11 is indisputable: government had not only failed to act as a guardian of security and protection but had actually been the primary agent in creating insecurity and exposure to risk, and, moreover, did not achieve secure justice once the crime had been committed."
-->How's that for testing your libertarian mettle? :)
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I'm glad that many of the great people on this website read austro-libertarian literature! if you really want to spread Ron Paul's views to so-called intellectual leftists, I think exposing them to this literature would be the best way.
Haha, that's great. You are correct about those...
leftists. Boy, do they think they are the smartest and most 'intellectual.'
However, they only ever compare themselves to conservatives. They never seems to take on the libertarians...
We do what Switzerland does.
Every able-bodied person in Switzerland is given an assault rifle and training when they are 18. They are then given more military training over the course of time. This way, the people become the army.
Even better, was WWII,
when the Swiss were trained as riflemen -- basically snipers. Scared the crap out of the Nazis.
The militia uses assault rifles now?
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Lisa C.
http://www.women4ronpaul....
U.S Military Should Advise County Militias
I agree we should have a Swiss-style military.
The Department of Defense should consist ONLY of advisors to county militias. Local citizens might want to vote on requiring every able-bodied person to own a rifle and attend a training meeting one day a month.
Citizens would be paid with local currency which they would use to pay back to the county in lieu of service. The currency would thereby obtain value and circulate locally to create a self-sufficient local economy.
The problem with you CedarMill is that you are always
wanting to force people to do things. Even the Swiss only show up once a year to shoot 50 rounds.
What happens with my local currency if I move out of your communist county?
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Lisa C.
http://www.women4ronpaul....
I agree, I think the initation of coercion...
on another individual is immoral. Forcing people to go and shoot rounds is Marxist!
Are you saying vote on the
Are you saying vote on the persons to be trained?
Do you mean local currency as in state currency?
Are you sure you don't mean in "exchange for service" as opposed to in "lieu of service"?
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
While i think this needs
While i think this needs more discussion I'm not sure I have anything substantive to add at this time, but posting allows me to track this thread a little easier.
This subject is such a double edged sword. Whether public or private would they not be accountable to those that hired them? If you an the military you answer to the American people. Or at least your suppose to. If you're private paramilitary you answer to the shareholders. If the shareholders were the American people would they not be answerable to American people?
I am under the impression that the public at large trust the US military far more than either private paramilitary or the US government itself.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
Who cares if the American people trust them more!
The U.S. military if funded through theft that has been made legal---taxation.
Isn't that immoral to the core?
Well yeah! But hell this
Well yeah! But hell this whole country was one colossal theft! So then you have to start asking deeper questions like, should we have a standing army at all? Like Thomas Jefferson might. And/or devise a way to pay for it without enforcing illegal taxation upon the citizenry. And without handing over responsibility to corporate interests that do not have the interest of the public in mind. You see the two side then become bureaucrats or corporate hacks. Assuming of course that you believe in national defense and rule-of-law. Two things I think we say just to say because that is what's said and something that more and more people will begin to be "on the fence" about as time goes on.
(i really could go deeper but i dare not in public)
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
(double)
:-)
Midas touch in reverse
The government makes a mess of just about everything else, so you would expect that national defense would also be a major failure.
The only reason one side wins any war is that it boils down to which government army is more incompetent.
Here's something that made me chuckle
(quote is from Radicals for Capitalism by Brian Doherty, page 175)
here's where i get off board with Mises and Rothbard
Fortune Favors the Bold
I think private military forces are a seriously bad idea. Would we really want Blackwater becoming THE US military? No constitutional oath neccesary. Only loyalty to their employers.
Why get off board with Rothbard?
Your 1st premise is incorrect.
Blackwater would definitely not become the U.S. Military.
Why?
The U.S. Military is controlled by the government. Private defense companies would not be--they would be hired by groups, individuals, and corporations, etc. to provide their service.
Government is a parasite...
why would you give a parasite control over a high-tech military?
Look at the millions of souls the U.S. military has extinguished over the last 100 years...
It is a great book, another
It is a great book, another that you should read is The Cost of War by Denson.
What hadn't you read? :)
Thanks for the tip on Denson.
Anyone know if Ron has read Hoppe's book? Hehe, boy would he get massacred in Congress for advocating a Constitutional amendment for private national defense...
Yes, let's get rid of socialized national defense...
1) It's funded through theft (ie. taxation)
2) Private competition could do a better job
Let's get some more discussion on this thread...
bumparoo!