Texas Polygamy Case is Shocking!!!

You misunderstand. Putting the psychological troubles from the confusing life polygamy can create aside, the problem here is abuse. That is the problem. If do not recognize the existence of oppression here, then you miss the point. Polygamy is an idiotic thing in the first place, but that isn't the problem here.

And we don't "let" the Catholic church get away with it. Have not many cases be brought to light? Is that not the main reason most of the world knows about it? Granted I am sure it goes on more than is discovered, but that is the case with pretty much everything.

NO CANDLELIGHT VIGIL??? WHAT PLANET AM I ON???? AMERICANS ARE NOT OUTRAGED AT THIS??? IS IT CAUSE THE NEWS MEDIA IS NOT REPORTING IT???

Court refuses to hear FLDS mothers' request
http://deseretnews.com/ar...

By Ben Winslow
Deseret News
Published: April 25, 2008

SAN ANGELO, Texas — An appeals court is rebuffing efforts by Fundamentalist LDS mothers seeking to keep their children from being scattered in foster care facilities across Texas.

In an order issued late Friday, Texas' 3rd Court of Appeals in Austin denied the request by 45 mothers and canceled a hearing scheduled for Tuesday. The appellate court said in its ruling that there was "insufficient information to warrant granting temporary emergency relief," and denied the motion to stop the placement of the children in foster care.

The court's justices did say that they would consider a petition by the Texas Rio Grande Legal Aid Society that questions the original hearing, the evidence and the decision by Judge Barbara Walther to keep all 462 children in state protective custody. It also asked the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services to address those issues in court papers to be filed by May 2.

The appeals court order came on the same day that Texas child welfare authorities finished placing all the children into foster-care facilities after Walther ruled they were abused or were at risk of abuse, stemming from allegations of underage marriages on the FLDS Church's YFZ Ranch.

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Hugh McBryde | 12:31 a.m. April 26, 2008
The damage to the children caused by removing them from their home is irreparable and constantly increasing. The ONLY justification for actions like this is the certainty that damage is occurring in the home. So far Texas has yet to show there is damage occurring in the home. They're down to three females, either adult or otherwise that they can say might be pregnant, and depending on who you talk to there may only be one girl pregnant who MIGHT be or MIGHT have been below the age of consent when she became pregnant. They don't know WHO she is pregnant by, and frankly, she does not owe Texas the answer. She is not by their definition, the criminal. POTENTIALLY whoever made her pregnant might be a criminal, but could be young enough themselves to make the act not criminal. Thus Texas has no evidence of a crime at all, and for all they know, the act that made the girl pregnant could have occurred in a place OTHER than Texas. One pregnant teenager of questionable age (she is claiming she is 18) is not enough to ship all kids to foster care. How could the court refuse to hear?

Margaret | 1:21 a.m. April 26, 2008
The cruelty of Texas authorities just makes me sick. Separating the children from mothers terribly traumatizes the kids. This action does not make any sense and makes me wonder how the USA can present itself as a defender of human rights in the world when authorities don't care about constitutional rights of American citizens. It's a shame. I hope the kids will be back with their parents soon, and those responsible for the outrageous action will be punished.

A good letter from the Letters to the Editor in the Salt Lake Tribune. This correspondent aptly suggests, without outright stating it, that there is way more going on here than simply trying to keep children from being "brainwashed" (a bogus reason to kidnap them anyway).

As of today, the rest of the babies who are 366 days or older have been taken from their mothers. Nursing infants who are older than 365 days have been peeled from their mothers' arms, wailing, as Texas Rangers and attorneys stand by, helplessly, crying for the children and the mothers.

Yes, indeed, there is much more going on here. It is psychological warfare against these people, showing them at every turn who's the boss: "Thou shalt have no god before me," the State tells them not so subtly.

http://www.sltrib.com/opi...

FLDS babies
Public Forum Letter
Article Last Updated: 04/25/2008 08:56:44 PM MDT

OK, now I'm really mad. If the premise for keeping the FLDS children in custody is that they are in imminent peril of being sexually abused or brainwashed, why are nursing mothers being kept from their babies? ("Texas judge won't allow nursing polygamist moms to stay with seized FLDS kids," Tribune, April 22.) You can't indoctrinate nursing babies. You can, however, harm them irreparably by keeping them from the best form of nutrition they have. Is Texas going to monitor these babies for the rest of their lives and assume the cost for treatment of all the diseases that we currently believe breast milk gives children a head start against?
Judge Barbara Walter said that every day in our country nursing mothers return to work after maternity leave. There is one big difference. Whether those mothers returned because of financial or other circumstances, they had a choice. These mothers have had this very basic choice taken away.
Have common sense and due process of law become mutually exclusive in our country? I am so ashamed. I don't want to be a part of a government that has no heart.

Michelle Rollins
Salt Lake City

This is one of them:
http://blogs.sltrib.com/p...

Don't remember were I got the following quote from, but here it is: "In Germany, they came first for the communists; And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists; And, I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews; And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;

And then they came for me... But then there was no one left to speak up! -
Martin Niemoller"

congress (no one else for that matter) shall make NO LAW don't they understand?

i know contact lawmakers would help. but there has to be more than that. we have got to do something. someone has got to do something. this is an outrage.

I can't believe more people aren't outraged by this. Granting the government the authority to take everyone's children away because of the potential of abuse is frightening. It's pre-emptive crime fighting, the little sibling of pre-emptive war. I hope and pray that America wakes up.

Instead of punishing child molesters the government has punished the innocent women and children. Let's throw some perverted old men into prison but leave the innocent alone!

proposes to ship some of the kids to a facility just a couple of streets west of where I live. The whole affair has a stink to it that is getting stronger with each passing day. This is how bad precedent is born.

The Best interests of the children is the overriding and fundamental principle in child protection law here in Canada and I expect it is so in the United States also.

As far as possible Children must be protected by their families first,
from harm.

What is the evidence of harm to these children? That is not a rhetorical question. I am not jumping on any bandwagon here. Is there real evidence of child rape? abuse? neglect? including neglect of their minds? Frankly I don't much care about parent's rights because I have heard too much made of that in my practice. Children do not have a voice. Where these harms have been allowed to occur the solution must not harm the child further. Government autohorities are infamous for not considering the real day to day harm to children from either leaving them in situations of abuse or taking them away. They do have too much power. These situations call for balance and cooperation with healthy respect for the family.

If it is shown that harm arises from the situation in which children live and from persons who are not their parents, then the parents must be required to take steps to ensure the harm ceases, but they should be the ones to choose those steps. Taking children from their parents must be a last resort but at times it is necessary. As a lawyer involved in child abuse and endangerment litigation arising out of family law, I say listen to the children but never guide what they say. The biggest problem is that no one listens to the children. They don't have choice, but they must be safe, really safe, to tell the truth.

when the State can come in without a search warrant and kidnap all of your children. If you do not feel anything for these people then what will happen when your children are taken away?

just damn good practice for martial law. Its obvious what we have here, just a matter of time before they come for us and our families. Someone should call and "alledge" these cops are molesting family members at their own homes and show them they arent exempt from this kind of treatment, they think they are safe from losing their families,A few more foreign troops on our soil will take care of them..NO PROOF OF NOTHING gets kids ripped away these days. US becoming Natzi country Good job Boosh By the way, Where is saviour Romney during all this?

They came first for the Communists,
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Fundamental Mormons,
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Fundamental Mormon.
Then they came for the Jews,
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Mormons,
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Mormon.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
but I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
but I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
And then they came for me,
and, by that time, there was no one left to speak up.

Attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power
and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

People if you are not motivated to put aside 1hour- 5 hours-or 10 hours per day(or however many you can budget) to consistently work toward restoring our constitutional government-- through electing Ron Paul as President(currently) then our children WILL NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTION TO DEFEND. PLEASE LOOK AT YOUR LIFE SCHEDULE AND FIGURE OUT HOW YOU CAN MAKE A BIGGER DIFFERENCE!!!

How many people will this assault push over the line?

Didn't McVeigh cite Waco as justification for the OK City bombing?

It is going to be tragic if something similiar happens because of this, so many people were killed or injured needlessly because of it, and it only served to give the government more power.

Even if everything turns out ok, and everyone gets to go home and no wrong doing was found, they will have served their purpose. Affirming that the government has given itself the authority to do what ever to whoever under any circumstance.

Stay awake

http://www.dailypaul.com/...

Although, I do not believe the FLDS teachings, I have grave concerns on how Texas has taken these children, along with the Baptist’s role.

Read why and see data – as this fact is virtually absent from media reports:

Governor Rick Perry called on “Baptists Child and Family Services” a “humanitarian nonprofit” to command and control the mass shelters now holding the FLDS children. I am experienced in FEMA emergency management, so I now what this means. I reported this to Matt Drudge (Drudge Report) this am; and although, he has not posted anything on it (there are virtually no articles to post) well, now the Baptist’s BCFS page has gone ‘under construction.’ Their main page is still up.

In addition, this Baptist org. offers “foster care and ADOPTION” service too. The state of TX 'outsources' foster/adoption to contracting agencies. Will this ’service’ Baptist organization get these children to foster out too? Yes, read on.

http://www.bcfs.net/NetCo...

Baptist history of sexual abuse: According to the Dallas Morning News, Christa Brown of Austin, has helped the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) to extend its work to victims of Baptist clergy. The baptist convention has long kept a secret confidential list of pastors believed to have engaged in homosexual relationships or sexual misconduct including adultery or pornography addiction. Pastors can get on the list through a conviction or, in the case of noncriminal activity, a confession or a report from a church.

http://www.dallasnews.com...

Ref. web page by an attorney endured Baptist abuses for years: www.stopbaptistpredators....

UPDATE: The original web page showing photos of the FLDS children and detailing Baptist Children Family Services overseeing the shelters, was authored by Kevin Dinnan, Pres. Since they took down the web page showing them operating the FLDS shelters over these children, I searched and found a Baptist Associated Press article which reveals 5 Baptist orgs. (churches and foster/adoption) involved; the BCFS running the shelters at the request of the State Governor’s Emergency Management Agency and it appears the FLDS babies and children are to be moved on into the Baptist hands for foster and likely adoption...into the hands of Baptist sexual predators?

http://www.abpnews.com/31...

We know the severe CPS problems, and considering the Baptist’s sexual abuse of children, why has the state of TX put the FLDS children in their hands?

An aside, a review of the State CPS agency track records on caring for children is beneficial.

TX Comptroller, Carole Keeton-Strayhorn, in 2004, found the state’s CPS foster care kids–raped, murdered, poisoned.

She writes:

“When I called on Gov. Perry in October 2004 to create a Crisis Management Team, I said the crisis was minute-by-minute and child-by-child.

“In Fiscal 2004, four-year old twin boys living in the same foster home received medical treatment in the hospital for rape.

“A five-year old boy in the same foster home received medical treatment in the hospital for rape two days later.

“A 15-year old girl who was not pregnant when she entered our state’s foster care system in May 2002 gave birth in February 2004.

“The state is supposed to be protecting our forgotten children, but in all too many cases these children are taken from one abusive situation and placed in another abusive situation. Many children are in more abusive situations now than they were before the state intervened. Children are being neglected and abused and are dying.” http://www.window.state.t...
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Read the article first.

They are perfect together.

http://www.lewrockwell.co...

and the MSM needs something sordid to distract people. Can you blame them? They're just doing their job. But the folks watching that crap are sleeping on the job. They're supposed to be vigilant citizens of a Constitutional Republic. But hey, child molesters make irresistable copy.

Liberty lawsuit that can be filed against the media in the form of slander or something, I don't know but this infringes on all our liberties and the media is leading the charge? I would like to think this is a form of slander.

or serial monogamy, which is indisputably harmful to children, is quite naturally sanctioned if not actively encouraged by the state through no-fault divorce etc. It's perfectly acceptable to have multiple wives/spouses, just be sure you toss your old one one first. The hypocrisy sickens me.

My question is, since most people's morals come from the Bible, especially those of the "moral majority", where do people get the idea that there is something wrong with polygamy? Polygamy has never been outlawed at any time in either the Old or New Testaments.

This is good blog that has been following the recent events... http://freedominourtime.b...

I sure hope no families cause trouble in any of our neighborhoods. I could imagine something domestic going on a few streets away and the government raids the entire neighborhood...

http://messengerandadvoca...

good blog run by an attorney

those polygamists should just employ a work around to the issue by getting a divorce and continuing to have sex with their EX'es and supporting the children of those marriages.

This Judge Walthers -- is she the highest ranking judge in Texas?

There must be some court superior to hers -- is there no higher court to which the attorneys can appeal? Can an appeal be made before hearings/trials are completed? Can the entire proceedings be thrown out for misconduct on the part of the court (group hearings, no witness produced, etc.)? Can kidnapping charges (and plenty of other charges!) be filed against the State of Texas and Texas CPS? Can no one trump this diabolically insane woman? Does the fate of these families rest entirely in her hands???

(P.S. - There is nothing funny about this story, but...does anyone else keep picturing Barbara Walters whenever the judge's name is mentioned?)

The authorities needed an injured party to act on them.
This injured part was a thirty something old woman not in their sect, who didn't like these guys.
There should be a "Sorry, here are your kids back."
Someone in a uniform or not comes to take my kids, it will be over my dead body. OR I want to come and take theirs! See how they like that!

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if any one calls a false alarm in on them. Their property is worth incredible amounts in Pennsylvania. The real issues of the law would be no different.
If they can forcibly remove a whole communities children from their parent or parents based upon an admittedly hoax call, and they do have a suspect, under these circumstances than we are less than a step away from institutionalized Hitler Youth.