Is the Ron Paul army ready to get him on the ballot in 50 states?
Posted April 22nd, 2008 by jzneff
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Let's begin to face reality...Ron is not going to win the Republican nomination. We can continue to pursue it and hopefully make a statement at the convention, but John McCain will be their man.
I don't think it would be wise to latch onto a 3rd party. The MSM have already practiced smearing the other parties and would be ready to marginalize Dr. Paul further.
If Ron were to run as an independent (I'd call it the Democratic Republican Ticket, but I digress) it would give him the best chance possible. The army of freedom fighters (us) collecting the necessary signatures to get him on the ballots in 50 states would be the opporitunity to show the world and the slimy media that we are not a bunch of simpletons in Mom's basement inventing ways to make our movement seem larger. This is a great movement, and we've shown our power through spontaneous and decentralized action. It's the message of freedom and limited government, not a talking head cheerleading us.
I am ready to collect signatures to put Dr. Paul on the Kentucky ballot, and if need be, i'll personally collect the thousands needed on street corners.
Please tell me this movement is ready for the next step. All i'm waiting for is Dr. Paul to sound the bugle.
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Are you ready
to believe 100% that Paul will win an Indy run and to give him 100 m, no less!? Why do you give up that there is a chance that he can still win the GOP nomination? You want all the 40 plus Ron Paul Republicans running to drop out?
You are aware that if he should run indy or third party, four or five states, including Texas will NOT allow him to be on the ballot if he did not finish first in
the respective GOP primaries? ON on earth does he has a chance if he is not on the ballot as indy in 48-50 US states? Also, if he wants to run 3rd party/indy, he needs to get signatures from people in each state that have not voted for him yet in the primaries and this alone is going to take a lot of time and money. Think about all these issues/realities.
If he ran as an independent or 3rd party, what about his
Congressional seat? Would he be able to run as a Republican in his district, or would he be out?
I think he does not want to run. Seems to me we are better off supporting Libertarian or Constitutional candidates. To vote for the Republican or Democratic candidate is not an option for me as I have a strong preference for freedom over plunder and control. Plus, I don't think the majority in the USA are quite ready to chose freedom at this point in history, if ever again, so Ron Paul would likely fair no better as an independent than he did as a Republican presidential candidate.
Just wait around a dozen more years when it cost you $500 to fill up your gas tank and food is so expensive you only eat one small meal a day, if you have the money to even do that, and then maybe the majority will be more willing to listen to the freedom message. Till then it will be more of the same socialist/fascist messages of the Democratic/Republican parties which seem to appeal so well to the masses.
He will not be allowed
on the ballot in Illinois. State election rules say you cannot be placed on the ballot as an independent or 3rd party candidate if you fail to receive your party's nomination. So you can count Illinois out. And trust me, Illinois legislators are NOT friendly in regards to this idea. At all.
I'd like to hear the call from the Doc first
Rally us Doc. Call upon us.
I'm with you...we await marching orders.
I really would like to know if this is in the plans or not...we have a primary in Kentucky next month, and I want to know if I should cast my vote as a GOP for the good doctor...
If I vote in the GOP primary, it makes my signature for a independant run invalid.
We're ready to keep up the fight Dr. Paul...tell us what the plan is!!!
Sorry, But This Thread Needs To Be Shelved Because.......
Sven if you could get him on the ballot the would give pictures of him to the police outside the debates with or orders to arrest him just like they did to Ralph Nader
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If anyone had the brains they would quit screwing around and organize the biggest mass support gathering for the GOP convention. And I mean every single last Ron Paul supporter that has 2 legs goes and surround the convention and make those antiquated GOP neocon supporting asswipes piss their pants for fear of their lives and demand that they cut loose that sack of manure McCain and rally around Ron Paul against whatever Dem is nominated. Has to be at least one million people enough to paralyze movement for miles around the convention. No need to grovel for a permit or to be herded into a "protest zone" like they have already arranged.Done the same move in my hometown when the city father saw fit to try force water meters on private property wells that were dug and paid for property owners to try to make us pay for our own water. You should have seen the look of fear on their faces in the hall,priceless and yeah they backed off. This could be done at the convention. But you say "But I might get arrested or someone might get hurt" if thing were to get out of hand.So what over a million Iraqi's have been killed for naught,not to mention all of our troops and we will be fortunate if the George& Dick show don't fire up things in Iran.Look at the havoc this Admin has done to our inherent rights with crap like the "Patriot Act", Fisa, the hundreds of lies to go to war.Look at what the media has done to Ron Paul at the debates, and also all the shit the GOP is pulling state by state.They have taken away our vote with electronic machines proven to be faulty and easily rigged.No but were probably going to roll over and take it up the wazoo and beg for a kiss afterward because this country is sick from the inside out and is probably too far gone because there are not many real men left here in the good ol USA,but there might be a remnant big enough. Do you for one second think that any of the founders would have put up with any of this crap?
Dubya would have either been impeached or hung at the first major act of treason if they had any say in things.McCain cannot win against the dems, no if's and or buts and if Rons not in the position we are screwed and there won't be enough time to turn things around 4 years later. By 2012 our economy will have collapsed and this country will be over with.
"If anyone had the brains
"If anyone had the brains they would quit screwing around and organize the biggest mass support gathering for the GOP convention."
I really, really like this idea.
Don't be so defeatist
First of all...I take exception for you assume that the Diet-commies would precipitate a total market collapse in 4 years. Yeah...they're going to make a lot of promises they can't keep, and yeah, we'll be worse off after, but the capitalist system is deeply entrenched in this nation and it has shown great resiliancy in keeping us afloat despite many bad leaders and many bad decisions. I know doom and gloom are in style, but the nature of Keynesian economics will again cycle the economy upwards and this nation will not collapse. I'm not a cheerleader for Keynesianism by any means, but it introduces volitility and inflation, but not outright collapse.
The problem with Keynesism is that we don't learn our lesson and see it for what it is until we are at the bottom of the business cycle. Few people were criticizing Keynes in 1997, and that was our opporitunity to get fiscally wise and prevent the situation we are in now.
Nader wasn't welcome at the debates because he's a fringe canidate only running to be the "none of the above canidate". Nader is a good man compared to Bush/Cheney/Kerry/Ambulence Chaser...but we need a much better man to rally the kind of support needed to have a serious chance.
If we can somehow manage to get Ron Paul on the ballots, we can use the CPD's own rules against them. We would have to poll at 15% or greater in 5 national polls. After Hilldog and Barack drag each other through the mud, their support will be lukewarm at best. People may turn to McCain...but his mouth and lunacy will bury him.
People supported Nader not because they support the Green Party's line, but because they didn't feel Bush vs. Kerry gave them a choice. Now where does this leave us....
We have 2 candidates for Prez that no one really likes or trusts, we make a huge stink at the GOP convention to get some attention, and we will get our 15%.
Once Dr. Paul can share the stage with 2 of these 3 slimes...he can bury them. Talk about the economy? Ron is more educated in economics than any of these 3 could hope to be. Let them try to support the flawed system that put us in our present situation. Talk about war? 70% of the nation thinks Iraq was a huge mistake, and Ron spoke against it and voted against it since day 1. Talk about ethics? Dr. Paul makes Jimmy Carter look like a common criminal. Talk about social issues? Ron can win over every family in America by saying that each state should be able to decide what is tolerated in their communities.
Rudy tried to attack Ron Paul with a focus group approved sound byte, and he was b**** slapped. Romney tried to marginalize him by saying this man should be laughed at...and Romney was soon crushed. McCain is a slimy bottom feeder and opporitunist, but he was smart enough not to engage Dr. Paul in any context, and that's why he's sitting pretty.
Try to ignore Dr. Paul when there's only 3 on stage. It will show America that there is a candidate who espouses your values....we've got a man who will get us out of the quagmire W put us in, a man who won't bankrupt the US, a man who will cut military spending AND make our country safer, a man who leads his life as clean and morally sound as anyone, but won't force you to do the same at the barrel of a gun. Not to mention a man who wants you to have firearms not just for shooting deer, but as a reminder to D.C. that we own you, not the other way around.
We can get Dr. Paul on the ballots, we can get him in the debates, and let him educate us on what it takes to be a true leader.
Well jzneff, if that was part of Dr Pauls plan he would have..
announced it. I will contend that even if he were to get the required signatures they would still either try to keep him out of the debates. Or in a 90 min debate it would be 40 min. worth of questions for Hillary, 40 min for McCain an 10 min.for Ron Paul and he wouldn't get the full 10 min. He would be cut off, interrupted by the debate moderators, asked asinine questions, ridiculed ad naseum...
I'll say it now. I hope John McCain dies or gets taken out for the felony campaign fraud he's committed before the Convention,or he could croak by heart attack,stroke,aneurysm,car accident,plane crash,lone nut with a gun,I don't care as long as he's out of the race. I am praying,wishing and hoping for that.Really.I'll jump up and down with glee until I can't jump up and down anymore.If this were to happen it's a cakewalk afterwards.
Now, if Dr Paul made an announcement that we needed signatures to get on the ballot asap for a 3rd party run I'd drop everything to do that but he has to call it because he has to do the filings.
Let it Go
Honestly if he wanted to run in November he would go Libertarian party. But he just got 16% in PA so why would be do that now. There are still states for the message to be spread.
Forget it!!!
MSM would tear him to pieces: "First, he can't win as Libertarian, then he can't as Republican, now he's a what?" I'm disgusted by the defeatists on this site. Can't you hear the Founding Fathers behind us screaming their lungs out, cheering us on? After a long, bloody battle McCain is all that stands in our way. McCain! Trust me, he will implode before August. Maybe it's time to start a new site: ronpaulinthewhitehousenothingelsematters.com. Who's with me?
You're seriously
You're seriously underestimating the opposition. "The only thing standing in the way is John McCain" is a false assumption.
The pro-war GOP base is standing in the way.
The evangelical hypocrite Church Lady vote is standing in the way.
The mainstream Press is standing in the way.
The neo-cons are standing in the way.
The military-industrial complex is standing in the way.
The big banking/Rockefeller Wing is standing in the way.
The talk radio Right is standing in the way.
It's very unlikely Ron can win the GOP nomination, regardless of what is done by his energetic followers. People who doubt he'll get the nomination are being realistic, not defeatist.
What we do have is an extreme longshot, like when David confronted Goliath. Goliath fell because God was on David's side.
Instead of crowing that our side will win, I suggest praying.
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Kevin, I don't care who is in my way
Because I am stronger, faster, more stealthy, and, most imortantly, more determined. And soon, I/we will have the numbers to make a real stand. Good=God and since this is a battle of Good vs. Evil, God IS on our side. God was on David's side because he CONFRONTED Goliath, not because he prayed Goliath would go away.
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Ron Paul still has an
Ron Paul still has an excellent chance to win, but not in the Republican Party.
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3rd party is a waste of: Time, money, effort, political seat, etc..... Even those who may want to endorse Ron Paul wouldnt so that they dont get alienated for not supporting their parties. Wake Up people! The economy is going to collapse anyways. As much as I want Ron Paul for president as much as I dont want the economy to collapse in his presidency. The media will then slander him day and night and accuse him of causing the market crash. Just like they blamed the depression on the Gold Standard! in the past, and it was used as an excuse for the illegal criminal Federal Reserve Bank and the income Tax to stay. I think a President Ron Paul or a Rand Paul or any other Ron Paul Republican after an economic collapse would be viable.
Hey since you live in kentucky why not get Rand Paul on the ballot for Governor of Kentucky! Dont talk the talk! Walk the walk. work hard show him that theres support by getting him on the ballot then force him to run. We need to build name recognition for him ASAP. did you ever hear Rand Paul speak? Watch the video of his speech to the Montana GOP on youtube. Rand Paul is everything Ron Paul is except he dosent have military experience. But hes a doctor who looks like a younger more charismatic Ron Paul who will probably grow this movement even bigger. And hes Ron Paul on all the issues. The closest thing to Ron Paul that isnt Ron Paul is Dr. Rand Paul. Now Step up to the plate and tell me if youre gonna walk the walk!!!!!!!!!!!
Love the idea...but
I'd be very proud to say that I had a hand in getting Rand Paul into the governer's office...2 problems.
1) He's shown little interest in running...Rand is still busy trying to rally Kentucky support for limited government through various groups. You really can't "force" a person to run for office, they must be a willing participant or my limited and valuable time will be for naught.
2) There won't be a governer's election until 2011...like it or not, we must live with Steve Beshear for another 3.5 years.
This being said...yes, I have heard Rand Paul speak...he sounds so much like papa and has values and ethics which come from being raised by 2 great Americans. I would absolutely support a Rand Paul run for governer and would absolutely walk the walk to get him there.
I really don't understand "Welcome Chris Peden". Ron whipped him soundly in the primaries on March 4th. Dr. Paul will be unopposed in November and unless he vacates his seat, he's back in office.
I agree with running Rand
I agree with running Rand Paul...at some point people need to make up their minds, because the LP convention is only about a month out. I am going to be angry if we see another unqualified nobody like Michael Badnarik nominated, or worse still, an unelectable loser like Democrat poseur Mike Gravel.
Rand Paul would probably run libertarian if enough people approached him. So would Jesse Ventura, I'm guessing. Must the Libertarian Party drop the ball again?
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50 state ballot requirements
Obviously you have not had much experience with independent or third party campaigns. If you think that you have put in a lot of time, energy and money to this point , you better be prepared to dedicate 5 to 10 times as much time, energy and money for a third party or independent campaign. The cost to obtain ballot status in all 50 states will be astronomical. No third party has 50 state ballot status. The Constitution Party is only on the ballot in 16 states. The Libertarian Party is on the ballot in 28 states.
Requirements for One Candidate - Requirements for a Political Party - LP Status
Alabama: - 5,000 signatures - 37,503 signatures - 0 collected
http://www.ago.state....
http://www.sos.state....
Alaska: - 3,128 signatures - 7,124 signatures - On Ballot! http://www.gov.state....
http://www.elections....
Arizona: - 21,500 signatures (estimated) - 20,449 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.azleg.stat...
http://www.azsos.gov/...
Arkansas: - 1,000 signatures - 10,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.arkansas.g...
http://www.sosweb.sta...
California: - 158,371 signatures - 88,991 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.ca.gov...
http://www.sos.ca.gov...
http://www.leginfo.ca...
Colorado: - 1,000 signatures - 1,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.elections....
http://198.187.128.12... (Title 1)
Connecticut: - 7,500 signatures - No Procedure - 0 collected
http://www.cga.ct.gov...
http://www.cga.ct.gov...
Delaware: - 5,800 signatures (estimated) - 290 signatures - On Ballot!
http://delcode.delawa...
http://elections.dela...
District of Columbia: - 3,900 signatures (estimated) - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.dcboee.org...
Florida: - 104,334 signatures - Organized Party - On Ballot!
http://election.dos.s...
http://www.flsenate.g...
1&Tab=statutes
Georgia: - 42,489 signatures - 40,089 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.lexis-nexi...
Hawaii: - 4,291 signatures - 663 signatures - On Ballot!
http://hawaii.gov/ele...
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Idaho: - 5,984 signatures - 11,968 signatures - On Ballot! http://www.idsos.stat...
http://www3.state.id....
Illinois: - 25,000 signatures - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.elections....
http://www.ilga.gov/l...
Indiana: - 32,742 signatures - No Procedure - On Ballot!
http://www.state.in.u...
http://www.state.in.u...
Iowa: - 1,500 signatures - No Procedure - 0 collected
http://www2.legis.sta...
Kansas: - 5,000 signatures - 16,994 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.kssos.org/...
http://www.kssos.org/...
Kentucky: - 5,000 signatures - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://sos.ky.gov/ele...
http://www.lrc.state.... (Title X)
Louisiana: - Filing Fee - 1,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.louisi...
Maine: - 4,000 signatures - 27,544 signatures - 0 collected
Maryland: - 32,500 signatures (estimated) - 10,000 signatures - On Ballot!
Massachusetts: - 10,000 signatures - 40,500 signatures - 19,253 collected
http://www.sec.state....
http://www.mass.gov/l... (Title VIII)
Michigan: - 38,024 signatures - 38,024 signatures - On Ballot!
http://michigan.gov/s...
http://www.legislatur...
Minnesota: - 2,000 signatures - 110,150 signatures - 0 collected
http://www.sos.state....
http://www.sos.state....
Mississippi: - 1,000 signatures - Organized Party - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.state....
http://michie.lexisne...
Missouri: - 10,000 signatures - 10,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.mo.gov...
http://www.moga.state...
Montana: - 5,000 signatures - 5,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://data.opi.state...
Nebraska: - 2,500 signatures - 5,921 signatures - 7,889 collected
http://www.sos.state....
Nevada: - 5,746 signatures - 5,746 signatures - On Ballot!
http://secretaryofsta...
http://www.leg.state.... (Title 24)
New Hampshire: - 3,000 signatures - 12,106 signatures - 0 collected
http://www.sos.nh.gov...
http://www.sos.nh.gov...
New Jersey: - 800 signatures - No Procedure - 0 collected
http://www.state.nj.u...
http://lis.njleg.stat...
New Mexico: - 16,764 signatures - 2,794 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.state....
New York: - 15,000 signatures - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.elections....
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North Carolina: - 69,734 signatures - 69,734 signatures - 90,055 collected
http://www.sboe.state...
North Dakota: - 4,000 signatures - 7,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.nd.gov/sos...
http://www.legis.nd.g...
Ohio: - 5,000 signatures - 20,114 signatures - 0 collected
http://www.sos.state....
http://codes.ohio.gov...
Oklahoma: - 43,915 signatures - 48,524 signatures - Lobbying Effort
http://www.oklaosf.st...
Oregon: - 18,356 signatures - 20,640 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.leg.state....
Pennsylvania: - 24,000 signatures (estimated) - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.dos.state....
http://www.dos.state....
generalinforunningforoffice.pdf
http://www.dos.state....
Rhode Island: - 1,000 signatures - 18,557 signatures - Cannot Start
http://www.sec.state....
http://www.rilin.stat...
South Carolina: - 10,000 signatures - 10,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.scvotes.or...
http://www.scstatehou...
South Dakota: - 3,356 signatures - 8,389 signatures - 0 collected
http://legis.state.sd...
Tennessee: - 25 signatures - 45,254 signatures - 0 collected
http://www.state.tn.u...
http://michie.lexisne... (Title 2)
Texas: - 74,108 signatures - 43,991 signatures - On Ballot!
http://www.sos.state....
http://tlo2.tlc.state...
Utah: - 1,000 signatures - 2,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://elections.utah...
http://www.le.state.u...
Vermont: - 1,000 signatures - Organized Party - On Ballot!
http://vermont-electi...
http://www.leg.state....
Virginia: - 1,000 signatures - No Procedure - 0 collected
http://www.sbe.virgin...
http://leg1.state.va....
Washington: - 1,000 signatures - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.secstate.w...
http://apps.leg.wa.go... (Title 29A
http://apps.leg.wa.go...
West Virginia: - 15,118 signatures - No Procedure - Cannot Start
http://www.wvsos.com/...
http://www.legis.stat...
Wisconsin: - 2,000 signatures - 10,000 signatures - On Ballot!
http://elections.stat...
http://www.legis.stat...
Wyoming: - Organized Party - On Ballot!
http://soswy.state.wy...
http://legisweb.state...
Total
869,485 valid signatures required to get a Presidential Candidate on all 50 state ballots. In many states the deadline for ballot access has passed.
You better find a hundred thousand people to collect 2 million signatures so you will have at least 1 million valid signatures all collected in the required short time span allotted. That shouldn't cost more than 5 to 7 million dollars before you're done. If you think you have been working hard for Dr. Paul up to this point you better plan on doing 3 to 4 times the work to get him on all 50 state ballots.
This information was posted earlier this year on the Ron Paul Forum and the Meetup Message board.
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Reality
You're right we should face reality. The reality is that McCain will win the Republican nomination on the 1st ballot by acclamation and that (as RP has said many times)he will NOT run unless he gets the Republican nomination. Paul ran in '88 and received less than 1% of the vote, he wasn't invited to any debates that included major party candidates and he didn't carry a single state. Americans will NOT elect a minor party candidate.
that is irrelevant
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I will say it. Ron Paul is not going to be the next president of the United States. I think most people who are still a part of this movement understand this, and understand why we are doing what we are doing.
Change is coming.
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Bob
I am going to write this assuming you are an absolute Ron Paul supporter. They didn't vote for him in '88 because "he started out" running as a Libertarian. Everyone knew back then that a Libertarian could not win and they did not want to "waste their vote." This time is totally different. Because he started out as a Republican, he got in the debates, he got heard, he got accepted, there is a movement against fascism, etc. He has garnered the support in the Republican party that he was after. Now he can move on if necessary. It should not be necessary, because we are more Republican than anyone in the Republican party, but they have hijacked the party for globalism.
He has NEVER said he absolutely will NOT run third party. He always, always leaves the door open. He will do what we show him we want him to do.
Hopefully it will not be necessary for him to go third party before he finds out the final results in September. I don't know how it works for sure, but hopefully we can have the signatures ready just in case he does not get the nomination from GOP and turn them in the very next day.
Reality that we need to face, Bob, is that we are going quickly into fascism if we do not elect Ron Paul. This is a now or never situation. We have allowed this thing to go way too far because of their secrecy. We absolutely have to run him third party, Ron willing, if we are to save our country.
If you support someone else, are they nearly as famous and well supported or as top notch in integrity as Ron Paul. He has a better chance than anyone coming from obscurity at this point. Everyone already knows him and believes in him. Who is it that you are so hot to see run third party? Americans HAVE elected a minor party candidate before. Americans very well may elect a third party candidate. How can you make such a sweeping statement? Who died and made you god, as they say. Have you seen the pie chart that shows how huge the independent block is now. If we could get the independent block and some dems and reps, we would have it.
The main thing is for the third parties to get behind the same guy if they want to take this away from the dems/reps. This is a desperate situation. The young people do not realize how long we have been fighting this. the '88 election was a "false start." He learned his lesson. He did it right this time. Now it is a matter of timing and getting him through September and then onto the Libertarian ticket or totally independent if that is possible. Write in-NO. Write in is way too weak in my opinion. There are rules to follow with write in also. Write in is just a "no confidence" vote and I want to go for the win.
Reality
I've got to get to work so I need to keep this short.
I support Ron Paul. I voted for him in '88 and in this year's primary. But he can't get elected President this cycle. Listen to people talk. If they're discussing politics they aren't talking about RP.
Americans have elected a minor party candidate for President? Who? Please tell me the President's name that ran and won as a minor party candidate.
Let me tell you what I see happening. RP ran an educational campaign. He never thought he would do as well as he did, but at 72 years old and having run minor party in '88 he has no desire to do it again. He'll wait until after the Republican convention then he'll endorse one of the other candidates, probably the LP candidate (but if the LP nominates Gravel he might turn elsewhere).
As desperate as the situation is most Americans prefer security to liberty. I wish it wasn't true but thats what I'm hearing.
P.S. A couple of things I haven't read about getting RP on the ballot 1)Most states require you to list the name of the VP candidate and 2)Most states require you to name the electors (members of the electoral college).
Paul could win running
Paul could win running Libertarian this time. No question. The naysayers are wrong. Ron Paul was a complete unknown in 1988 when he ran Libertarian; he is now an international celebrity with millions of fans. His percentage of the vote in 1988 is totally IRRELEVANT. He could win running Third Party this time, and in fact he has much better odds of winning the presidential race as a Libertarian than he does of taking away McCain's nomination.
Will he run Libertarian? I seriously doubt it. It's his decision, and I respect that.
If he runs Independent after the convention, I believe he will lose because of the ballot access issue.
We need a Plan "B".
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Okay good post BUT
We all saw the vid by the film producer who showed the Google trends data right? Where its clear undisputed commonly available fact that the MSM in no way reflects popularity with regard to RP right? We keep seeing delegate victories like in Wash ST- Now granted WA is not indicative of what goes on in other states- we are prolly a best case scenario- but Im not so sure we are the exception. What if we really ARE winning the delegates in most counties? We're certainly not going to hear about it on the news- and to be honest the MSM, GOP and rags like the Daily Kos are responding EXACTLY as we would expect them to if we were in fact ahead in the delegate nomination race. If we get spanked at convention then it will be a damned fine thing that we already had our write-in petitions in order. I really wish I knew just how many Spokane and Clark Counties were out there pulling in the numbers. We know for certain that during the primaries the 5.3% steady polling was bullsh*t- I think the GOP may very well be using the "fake it 'til we make it" strategy.
Do this if you can find out how many signatures is needed for ..
each state. Then post that here.....
also what are the deadlines.....for each state....
this the first step.....
Luckily there's a federal ceiling
I'm doing some reading on how many signatures it will take, but it cannot be more than 5% of the number of voters for the last presidential race.
Keep in mind...many signatures are disqualified, so we may need to collect 30-40% more signatures. In many states...you are disqualified from signing this form if you voted in a party primary.
In Alabama, you'll need 41,000 signatures
Arizona, only 20,000
North Dakota, 7,000
Kentucky, 5,000 signatures by 8/12
www.ballot-access.com recently found that to appear on the ballots of all 50 states, you'll need at least 750,000 signatures and $8,000 in filing fees.
750,000 is nothing when you break it down this way. There are around 700 of us reading this website as we speak. If each of us were to get 1,000 valid signatures, it would be nearly enough. We've proven before that there are perhaps millions of Dr. Paul supporters, easily dedicated enough to get the signatures necessary to get our man on 50 state ballots in no time.
We must have Ron Paul's go ahead to begin collecting signatures, sooner than later. We are ready...can each person on this forum personally deliver at least 500 signatures in their state?
I will get 500 signatures from Kentucky
good research....
two things.... we need to post....
---1--- what is the state DEADLINE TO SUBMIT SIGNATURES
---2--- AND exactly how many signatures (and what special rules are there-ie only independents,etc) do we need from each state....
POST THIS. FOR IF IT COMES TO IT AND WE NEED THIS OPTION.....WE COULD USE IT....
The Candidate needs to file papers
I've looked this up too.
In most states the Candidate has to file papers to be counted.
You can collect all the signatures you want, but if Ron Paul doesn't file the papers himself, they won't be counted.
He can't start a write in campaign (if he wanted to) until after the convention or he won't be taken seriously there.
I do think we should talk about it and make sure Ron knows we'll be ready if it becomes necessary.