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My 2nd last Editorial on the Good "Dr" Steve Parent - Im sorry I doubted you! I now repent!
***If youre going to bump this editorial or comment then pls do so but after you read it entirely. Thnk you ***
Since my last 2 editorials on the Steve Parent fiascos myself and fellow concerned Conservatives were attacked and scorned. Called disinfo agents by cologneRonPaul, called an idiot by some other guy, accused of being envious etc... and the list goes on, so were not the believers at least not in the Parent ideals and ethics. I do admit and appologize for the readers that my editorials were kind of aggressive, but since Steve is kind of aggressive too and (for ex. Even Alex Jones who has done so much to this movement was falsely accused by Steve Parent that hes railroading this movement in an interview with RPR http://www.youtube.com/wa... just because Alex said that if youre bound for McAmnesty then honor your Party rules & vote for him on the 1st ballot). Steve also thought it was okay to attack former Ron Paul staffer and a hard working grassroot BradleyinDC on Ron Paul forums http://www.ronpaulforums.... and the thread got locked after that fiasco.
******Also pls Read what "Cowlesy" the moderator at RPF had to say about SGP: http://www.ronpaulforums....
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[[[Quote: Whos Steve Parent Laurie questions? Has anyone ever physically met him? If so, why has no one ever posted that?
Try the "deep web" site of www.pipl.com for "Steve Parent" (or "Steve Gerard"?) in US and CA.
Do we even know approximate age of Steve Parent (within a decade)?
Try your own name or even Ron Paul's name at that site. Truly scary!
Some of the information is public records due to home ownership.]]]
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So, why am I writing this? Am I going to appologise to Steve Parent? Am I going to kill my threads questioning Steve and not wanting to believe in him?
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Dear Steve if youre reading this Ive asked you many times to tell us who you are. Since I was trying to start a friendly conversation heres 1 of many questions I asked you:
"what kind of "Dr" are you?
care to explain?"
Steve replied and said this:
"Ask your meetup group Dr.
On April 23rd, 2008 SGP says:
Ask your meetup group
Dr. Steve Parent"
Since that is what he instructed me to do Ive contacted the organizer of the Florida, Clearwater group and awaiting his response.
If they dont know Steve Parent then Im going to assume youre a liar and a fraud and Ill call you out on that.
Please take note that former RPI radio host MelissaWV has exposed serious concerns(http://www.ronpaulforums....) which made me raise the alarm that this Parent guy cannot be trusted on so many levels since he can release private donor information if he gets mad in an internet chatroom as mentioned in this past editorial http://www.dailypaul.com/... . Im not asking you to trust me! Im asking you to trust yourselves and not let our efforts be derailed. Ive never asked people not to be delegates or participate locally, I was only addressing the fact that if you were a delegate "Bound" to vote for McAmnesty or whomever on the first ballot then I advise you honor your State rules by doing so and not embarass Dr Paul or cause a nuisance at the convention or else we will be facing ousting by the party and alienating everyone who was on our side or leaned to Dr Paul.
If you think Im speculating? then think again. Steve Parent knowingly attacked Alex Jones just because Jones said that if youre bound for McAmnesty in the first ballot then go with your State party rules.
There are so many questions about Steve himself like Who is Steve Parent? Who does he work for? What kind of Doctor is he? What does he look like? Who has seen him? Who knows him? Is there any video or picture of him? How come all people who dugg him up came up with a ghost? Why is there so much misinfo in his Roberts Rules of Order tapes?Why does he claim hell reveal himself after November? Why does he tell me to ask my meetup group about him? etc......etc
When I wrote those many articles about Steve Parent Ive written them in good conscience because I feel danger already. Hoping that the questions I ask means more people will ask simple questions of the "Self appointed" grassroot leader(He isnt my leader). So Who the heck is Steve parent?
lastly if any harm is done to this movement or to Ron Paul's reputation because of this Parent guy I will not hold Steve Parent responsible since hes only a ghost but I will hold RPR radio accountable for creating, endorsing and proping up what they called "The Doctor of Convetionology" who they do not personally know nor can they claim that they ever saw nor do they even know what kind of a doctor he is. while allowing him to brainwash the youth of this movement into believing that we should cause a racket at the convention which will only hurt us with those were trying to educate. I write this fully confident of my good intentions and aware of the consequences that I may be blasted by many and accused of trying to derail Steves good showing in PA since he is now credited for that too lolol. I bid you all farewell since I have college to attend. But I guarantee that sooner or later most of those who were opposed to asking Steve Parent "private" questions(while he can distribute private donor info) or questioning his intentions or goals will know that we were doing it for the good of this movement not vice-versa.
Special thnks to Laurie, MelissaWV and many others who raised the alarms or questioned SGP before it was too late.
A Conerned Conservative
Yours truly;
disinfo troll agent
"Dr" NotOverYet
Note: Since this may get a lot of hits Please take a minute to donate to BJ Lawson who has a very BIG chance of winning a seat in Congress in NC 4th district. donate @ www.LawsonforCongress.com . Every Dollar counts
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What a.....
....total waste of time and energy.
Piss off and get over with it.
Simple question.
Is this helping us move forward/be more successful?
I'd say not. I'd say it's a personal feud and a waste of time.
This kind of thread seems to
This kind of thread seems to be quite prevalent on this site lately. I have communicated with SGP outside of this website and I have no doubts that he is simply trying to get delegate positions filled with RP supporters. Having said that, and I have absolutely No Desire for any kind of argument...in fact I will go away again if that occurs....I would like to know how much time is being spent by the people making these posts in recruiting delegates? Obviously it takes time to make these kinds of posts and I wish to know how much time these people are spending in getting delegates in their individual states. It appears that time which should be used to further the cause is instead being used to attack people trying to get delegates. just mho....
This kind of thread seems to
This kind of thread seems to be quite prevalent on this site lately. I have communicated with SGP outside of this website and I have no doubts that he is simply trying to get delegate positions filled with RP supporters. Having said that, and I have absolutely No Desire for any kind of argument...in fact I will go away again if that occurs....I would like to know how much time is being spent by the people making these posts in recruiting delegates? Obviously it takes time to make these kinds of posts and I wish to know how much time these people are spending in getting delegates in their individual states. It appears that time which should be used to further the cause is instead being used to attack people trying to get delegates. just mho....
At this stage delegates = dollars
We should not stay home from work arguing how to spend them instead of going out and earning them. Lets first earn them, then we will have something to argue over how best to spend.
So now I have to release my private info?
Im not ATTaCKING ALEX JONES OR PIMPING FOR DONATIONS OR ON THE RADIO CALLING FOR A DELEGATE COUP IN THE NAME OF TEACHING THE DELEGATE PROCESS! that will hurt Ron Paul first and foremost
Amazing how the spin goes
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Extremely articulate,
I feel like a ping pong ball :-P I believe it was a couple months back that I commented on what a poster on this site had directed towards another. I thought it was to Daddy Warbucks, though it may have been SGP? My letter was addressing their tone. Their respectfull reply to me was an apology for the acknowledged occurrence, and was accompanied with reasonable merit for its origin. I think, based solely on recollection, that it may have been related to the Trevor L. issue. I do not like to be wrong so I will not name names, and think active members of this site may be able to recall that point in time regarding the Trevor topic. Well anyways, I could have sworn that the brief banter I shared with Daddy Warbucks was respectful, cordial and with his or [their] reply being pretty much an excuse for his or [their] actions, that in my opinion, was understandable in the scope of things. Though during the aforementioned interaction, once again relying on recollection. I could swear his or [their] replies were accompanied by the Id's, Daddy Warbucks, SGP and one other I can not recall. Thats why I have in the past thanked "Daddy" related to the ongoing, well it was ongoing for quite some time do to my and many others bumps, delegate teachings. Just yesterday I noticed before going to work, a certain few names responding to this current issue. One of those names, coincidentally seemed to follow Daddy Warbucks post(s) often. So we got (Bots), (Guests), (Trolls) and (Moles) :-P As I assume, Bots are or should be and auto-response system, simular to the old Autoexec.bat file in functionality? Not to knowledgeable with this HTML code and the like, though back in the "DOS" days the Autoexec file worked as a, what I would call "BOT" or in a Robotic fashion, due to its self operating purpose. To cut this short, somewhat, "Guests" are potential friends or curious individuals? [(Trolls) and (Moles)] share common attributes? Here ya just need an email address to get a name. You should see that RP Warroom site... People are allowed to post "USING" your f-in registered name, its outlandish! The only related thing that happened here is you know who attempting to simulate one of our esteemed contributories to this site. Ya know, from my Ping Pong analogy, caught up in the extreme issues of todays times. The anxiety I held, has distracted what should have been and now currently is logical thought. For (1) one example, "MSM BLACK OUT". It causes an emotional response, be it [Fight or Flight] or [APATHY]. Ron Paul believes in an honest approach to all issues, end of story ! I was sidetracked by the activities of this election season and current day dilemma's. After sincere reflection, I see "No Reason" for shenanigans in the process. I shall not sink to their level and besmirch the fine message that RON Paul and I as well as many other truly honest individuals promote and hold dear. The Dr.'s not gonna stop a crash and instantly right our direction. In addition I myself do not in honesty see 2012. I do now welcome, a Lincoln scenario void of any immoral activity, even if it is regulatory law or governed rule. Unlike Mr. Clinton, I now what the definition of "is" "is". As far as Ronnie Reagan's speech at the RNC, in the mid 70's, [That was class!] though I do not see an 1980's result here. I have fully read your message [here], and fully and overwhelmingly defend Dr. Ron Pauls as well. I as (1) one "American", albeit with many hereditary attributes and ancestral lineages' will do my best to carry the message forward and "Onward"
What the HELL is going on around here?
To NotOverYet, Laurie, and anyone else that continues to rip Steve Parent:
What is your end game here?
What is the purpose of your RIDICULOUSLY long posts?
What are you trying to achieve?
Do you honestly believe you are doing any good around here?
I rarely post here, but read daily. I am a PCP in Oregon's 1st congressional district, and will be, with any luck, a delegate.
The only thing that matters at this point is delegates.
Discussing what the delegates should do at the convention is completely secondary to getting as many RP delegates there as possible.
I suggest you try rechanneling your energy into actually influencing others to learn the delegate process and actually become delegates.
This is worthless and useless banter.
YOU ARE WASTING VALUABLE TIME
- FOR ME
- FOR YOURSELVES
- FOR STEVE
- FOR MANY OTHER RON PAUL SUPPORTERS
GO DO SOMETHING WORTHWHILE - BECOME A DELEGATE AND ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
RON PAUL SUPPORTERS WILL BE ABLE TO DISCUSS STRATEGY AT THE CONVENTION.
STOP WASTING TIME - WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AS IT IS.
WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME SIDE (at least in theory).
PS - just about everyone that frequents this board is for individual liberty and personal responsibility. leave each person to there own research to determine what is truth and what is not. - NOT YOUR JOB
GET BUSY DOING REAL WORK FOR THE CAUSE!
I agree but I would like my questions at the end answered
SGP has no credibility for me at least if you read what I wrote you will know why. my questions still havent been answered
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Show me the Law : P
AFTF... Show me the Law : P
Remember the past as you look forward to today...
NotOverYet ..........
.......... Steve does not have to answer any of your questions. I on the other hand, did. I told you my name, my address, what I did for a living and gave you my home phone number. Now how about you telling us who you are, where you live and what you do for a living?
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Thats kinda funny,
"Phantom", your name contradicts such honest personal divulgence. With todays technology are you not concerned? I might tend to reveal same, though I do not have a great deal to lose. If your info is honest, does this equate to the only killers kill cocept vs. guns kill concept? Meaning if someone really wanted to find you they could? I would tend to believe that, though I myself would be hesitant to make it so easy and of coarse that is just my opinion. I've witnessed you to have contributed many intellectualy positive responses.
Fair comment about my screen name Fight4Freedom2008
With today’s technology, any agency watching this or any other site can trace any of us if they choose to. I am not afraid. I have nothing to hide and like you, I too do not have anything to lose by revealing myself. I have learnt a lot over the years and have become shrewd when it comes to my personal life. (I will not explain what I mean by that)
I am sure that those in Government know where I live and if they wanted to send someone after me they would have done so already. When I lived in the UK I was quite an activist both online and in the field.
If someone else, say, some disgruntled person I have offended online or on the street wanted to come after me, it would not be an easy task for them to take me out without them having to use a gun.
I am not the sort of person to bite his tongue. I tend to say it how I see it and that sometimes can cause offense to others. Not that I really care.
My outburst today was no doubt out of order but I had just had enough of these trolls making unproductive threads to attack a guy, I believe, was being helpful.
I’m off to play some party poker now. Wish me luck.
All the best,
Darren.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Yes Phantom
I never asked you to provide your private info. I dont know who the heck you are except that you have a filthy language when trying to reason with others like telling me to F* off just cause you dont like my post. I dont trust you. AND IM NOT ON THE RADIO TELLING PEOPLE TO MAKE A DELEGATE COUP AND ATTACKING ALEX JONES OR PIMPING FOR DONATIONS !!!
So Im not inclined to release my information and especially to yourself. Nor do I want it. I trusted Laurie when she said you claimed to be a ron Paul campaign staffer and Im sure shell clear this up anyways. I appologize if I was mistaken.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Already posted clarification twice-he is *not* Bydlak
See thread www.dailypaul.com/node/42...
He copied Bydlak's RPF post under his own name with no indication it was a copy from someone else.
I also just corrected my e-mail to Ron and Carol, as well.
NOTE: Have you checked your SPAM mail today? It sure seems that Yahoo is filtering e-mails with a comment subject of [Ron Paul for President 2008 - Ron Paul Revolution] to SPAM.
More RP censorship?
Well said ajsig
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Thank You, NotOverYet
Thank you for acknowledging the elephant in the room that has been polluting this and other websites where Dr? Steve has been spreading his message of dissension and confusion. As another victim of the fanatical and knee jerk reactions from his hoard of fanboys, I can attest to the depressing effect that his "leadership" has had on this movement.
I AM a physician. I HAVE posted my picture and even my medical license number on the forums. I value my privacy as much as the next person, but I could not in good conscience see this ranting blowhard continue to mislead my fellow patriots.
I AM a delegate to the Iowa state GOP convention.
My wife IS running for RNC delegate and we have spent a considerable amount of time and money (our own money) in that endeavor.
We created a brochure, stuffed envelopes, hand addressed, and mailed it to 760 district convention delegates asking them for their votes.
She has been calling, and will continue to personally call every one of these delegates before the state convention in June.
And we have done this because we would like to be able to enhance Ron Paul's almost nonexistent chances in the fall, and position ourselves to lead the GOP back to constitutional values in the future.
But unlike Dr? Steve and his supporters, I don't care whether you agree with our tactics or think that I am a great guy or even if you believe that I am a doctor. All I care about is that you love liberty and are doing what you can personally with a sincere heart to advance it's cause.
Unless your idea of advancing the cause of liberty is acting as the "thought police" for Dr? Steve on websites that were created to encourage discussion.
Dear Spacehabitats
Thnk you for all that youve done. I cannot thank you enough. Im not here to personally attack Steve Parent but I have questions for him that he never seems to answer and seems to make me want to ask more and more questions. His intention is not my jurisdiction. But it is what he and some of those who listen to him are saying. It is horrifying. That is why Im voicing my opinion and standing up for what I think is right. If you read any of my previous editorials thats what I encourage people to do. Think for yourselves and act yourselves, dont give your minds away and lets try to make the best and not the worst out of this convention,
Thnk you Thnk you
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
I will only respond once
I will only respond once here considering you continue to repost the same information but only change the title.
So i will repost my reply with some added info and fact of these people that seem to want to repost over and over.
Many of you know that i have worked to educate you and encouraged you to educate yourselves on how you republican system works and nothing more. You also know that many successes that have been achieved were because you became educated and followed through by becoming involved in your local political process. I tak no credit for the people that got up off the couch and went out and did something about it and those are the heros of this movement NOT ME! You give me too much credit for i only worked to prepare them on how the system really works.
I have no problem being questioned about the facts but the people have not brought 1 fact as to the claims that i have been wrong and i am waiting to see the misinformation they claim i have released.
Notoveryet what meetup are you from and what is the name of your meetup head? Have them contact me and i will address them personally.
1: Laurie is not a delegate and not in any meetup and she claims i am the reason she is not involved. She has also been on attack mode since i posted 2 stories about Trevor Lyman on how it has been stated in artilces on NOLANCHART.COM and other internet media that there was mismanagment of funds from the blimp and she came in here and tried to defend against written information which included complaining to nolan chart claiming that that article violated their terms of service? WHAT? They post an article and they are in violation of their own terms of service? She also claimed i slandered Trevor by posting the link to the article which by the way i did not write, again more logic. I will repost the original posts that i posted on Trevor Lyman so you can verify the information for yourself today.
2: El-buggo is not the original el_buggo from here it is a man named Milly from RPI radio that decided to clone someone elses name and make people believe is was the original el_buggo from here that claims we stole their hosts from their station although those hosts came to me considering RPI was down for 1 week and asked me if i would help them stay on the air to continue to get the message out, although RPI made the claim that the server was down, a server down for a week? You can all figure out this motive for yourselves.
3: MelissaWV is an owner of RPI radio as well as MDH her husband, i think it is obvious what their motives are. She claims someone sent me a penny to test the widget? She should know that sending one penny would never be added to the total for the fee to paypal is more than 1 penny therefor the test the widget is an out right LIE! The sender of the penny made it clear why he sent the penny and then later decided to edit his post about how he was going to send a penny knowing we would not get any credit for it here :
http://www.ronpaulforums....
4: Notoveryet i have never seen post here before so it could very well be another RPI radio person. Although i would like to see the misinformation i posted and decieved the people here for he/she has never posted one fact to discredit my information but rather just states i lied and am giving mis information. Most of you know in my own post and my own words i have said and i quote: DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT AND CONFIRM THE INFORAMTION AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES. I even supplied the links for all the information i haqve spoken about for you to download and read for yourself from the official RNC website. You can not argue with written fact so i would like to see where i was incorrect.
5: I understand why these few people want all my personal information as to create harassment on my personal life and family for i believe that is clear by the vigor that has been witnessed here.
6: I have never encouraged anyone to break any rules only to change them for the better and the logic here is that if i don't tell people what they should do and force them to follow rules they may or may nor agree with that it will be my fault if they defect. That is like saying that if i don't tell everyone here that smokes that I DEMAND YOU QUIT NOW and if they do not then die of lung cancer that it will be my fault.
7: The claims i am posting on several names is absurd and this si easy to figure out by simply contacting Bryan from Ronpaulforums and Michael from Dailypaul and just confirm the ip addresses and the times these posts are being made and from where. They seem to try to make it appear that the many of you have i have addressed their meetup and themselves personally are somehow ALL MY POSTS WITH DIFFERENT NAMES. I take it all of these people i have helped that are now delegates are all named Steve Parent? We are all clones of myself in a conspiracy to somehow destroy Ron Paul and his name?
Listen to how stupid that even sounds however considering the logic of these people it does not suprise me.
I will admit i do get testy and become vexed on occasion but i take hots like this from these people and many others every day several times a day and i no longer choose to respond to ever posts they make for it is a waste of time to even try to come to a common ground with these few people.
You people are welcome to keep trying to discredit me for every time you do you only make yourselves look foolish. Bring some facts with you next time maybe?
Dr. Steve Parent
*Yawn* But I HAD to respond
*Yawn*
But I HAD to respond to this:
5: I understand why these few people want all my personal information as to create harassment on my personal life and family for i believe that is clear by the vigor that has been witnessed here.
Are you out of your mind, Tajit, Steve Gerard, SGP, Dr. Steve Parent? That is a wild accusation and based on nothing. The ONLY reason that ANYBODY has ever asked you to provide that information (to my knowledge, anyway), is so they have at least SOME idea who the individual is who is asking them for money. What is so hard to understand about that? Nobody is asking for every single little detail about the minutiae of your existence. Frankly, I would wager that nobody cares. Do you not understand that you can't go around presenting multiple identities, multiple occupations, multiple locations, etc. and then say "give me money for my venture" without people rightfully wanting some BASIC information? Harass you and your family? Give me a break. I know you'd like to think we are a bunch of thuggish hooligans so you can pin something like that on us as an excuse for not being upfront with ANYbody (anybody who is willing to vouch for you, anyway, beyond saying "He educated me about delegates"), but that kind of thing just doesn't hold water. For you and Phantom and everybody else who is critical of those who don't immediately drop to our knees to worship the patron saint of the Ron Paul movement ... believe it or not - but I'm not the "troll" or "disinfo agent" you'd like to believe I am ... and I would CERTAINLY not spend my time "harassing" anybody's family. I don't know if you even have a family and I could honestly care less. The fact that you even threw that out there is infuriating to me. Seriously. I'm done wasting my time on this man and his ilk. You all can battle it out amongst eachother. I've had it.
First most info on this
First most info on this editorial is new stuff.
wow nice job of answering my questions. Sadly you didnt. Just made a lot of "hot air".
WOW we wanna harass your family??? lolol that is a claim you cant prove. I solemnly swear I never met Melissa or Laurie or anyone here who are confronting you. I never had no relationship with them untill you came along. You seem to forget that when I asked you who you are yesterday you instructed me to ask my meetup. Fine. I did. Im awaiting their response and Ill post a last post on this and lay this to rest. Seriously I dont like the way you called FOUL and cried crocodile tears and accused us of wanting to harass you and your family. Since you stepped up on the radios to take this "teaching people how to become delegates" then you better be ready to answer questions and take the heat. Like Hitlery Clinton said: If you cant take the heat get out of the Kitchen. Now can you please answer my questions on who you are. How about making a youtube video to end this mess once and for all. Were all sick and tired of this. You only provided information that can be found on the internet and provided rocky answers when people confronted you with what you were giving them. I appreciate your efforts to give people hope. But dont give people false hope that we can create a war in the GOP convention. this will crush us. Do you even read what your followers write?
Also how about some clarity on who you really are. Why dont I have the right to question you while people like Alex Jones and Jack Blood who speak up against more dangerous and ruthless people dont hide their faces and Identities. Did you appologise to those whom you released their private info.
Why do you always "POST ONCE" and never give any clear answers. If you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen!!!
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Phantom=Bydlak
Or is this another "full copy" of an RPF post without attribution??
Is Phantom Bydlak's screen name or not?
Yet another question of credibility (and harm to Bydlak by association?)-
www.dailypaul.com/node/42...
www.ronpaulforums.com/sho...
FYI: Jonathan Bydlak was formerly of the HQ paid staff.
Laurie .........
......... you are proving yourself to be a paranoid idiot.
My details are posted below. Care to share yours with us?
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
D'ya think copying Bydlak's post under your name...
D'ya think copying Bydlak's post under your screen name...might have caused the confusion?
Your thread appeared to be *BY* Bydlak pointing DP people to RPF for a single thread. Giving attribution is a good thing to do-
www.dailypaul.com/node/42...
Look at the harm *you* have done Bydlak. I will have to apologize to *him* on the RPF thread!
And this is EXACTLY why I am concerned about the posted intentions for the GNC *IN RP'S NAME*.
Will RP have to defend himself as you have done, when you caused your own problem, while RP will have done *nothing* to cause his?
And don't many people/MSM consider RP to be paranoid, as well?
Does that make RP wrong?
The convention will be a media circus due to "Steve Parent delegates" and Steve Parent can take "credit" (blame) or it may be "normal chaos" and maybe those of us expressing concerns now will have had something to do with that-
Only time will tell.
phantom
whoever you are....more and more of us are beginning to question this mans advice as many issues are just not adding up properly and we have that right as free thinking people to do so..you will not gain much sympathy or support by coming here and using obscenity and strong arm tactics on us,,,it just doesnt fly here on this forum,,,,also we have every right to flag you for using obscenity, i do believe we are owed at least an apology
NotOverYet ...........
......... Why don't you and the other trolls just FUCK OFF.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
And you used to work for HQ??
I guess you've just publicly established that you're a full-fledged member of the "Steve Parent cult".
You've just blown your own credibility for your own website-
(Be careful - it takes attention away from Steve Parent.)
Good luck with your future.
Laurie .....
....... where did you get the idea that I worked for HQ?
I am an Englishman living in Spain and have no association with Ron Paul or any of his HQ's.
I suggest you get your facts straight before you make such stupid allegations you trollop.
As for my website, I only put it together two weeks ago or so for my own pleasure and decided to share the link so that others could use it as a source for everything Ron Paul.
And as for me being part of the "Steve Parent cult", you are mistaken. Steve does not have a cult. I appreciate what he has done to educate me and others on how the uS political system works and decided to add his recordings to my site so that others who are as clueless could use it as a source for education.
Now, why are you here slagging Steve off. You and your fellow trolls seem to be jealous of him for some reason.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
You copied a Bydlak RPF post under Phantom on DP
You copied a Bydlak RPF post under Phantom on DP.
See www.dailypaul.com/node/42...
Excuse me, sir.
If you are an English*man* living in Spain, exactly why are you fouling this board with swearwords?
Exactly why should any of us care what you think *at all*?
Jealous of Steve Parent? You're kidding, right?
Based on the posts on DP and RPF, I have learned whose opinions I value who post links to their sources. When they all are extremely skeptical, as well, *with delegate state-level facts posted to prove inaccurate information*, that is a clear indication that there is a problem.
In particular, when the RPF moderator posts his concerns, I take notice.
www.ronpaulforums.com/sho...
Post #259.
Regarding a "Steve Parent cult", isn't the use of "trolls" for anyone who disagrees with his supporters a prime example of a "cult" or a "religion"? Guess I'd never be invited to be a member for thinking for myself!
Do a search on "strategy" in this thread - what Steve Parent has done to date regarding delegate instruction is past.
What the *strategy* is of the "Steve Parent delegates" of staging a "coup" *against the GOP party in RP's name* for the national convention is a major concern.
If it were your party that was at risk, what would *you* do?
Try to stop it or let it happen?
What would Ron Paul do? Wouldn't it be funny if RP were posting his concerns under a screen name and getting called a troll?
lol Laurie ............
......... so I copied a post that was posted by Bydlak on ronpaulforums and stuck it on this forum. Big deal!
If you read it properly, you would have notice that it says; “To post your questions to Jonathan Bydlak you will have to log on to ronpaulforums. The link is provided at the bottom of this post.”
The reason why I corrected the post was because someone thought I was him.
“If you are an English*man* living in Spain, exactly why are you fouling this board with swearwords?”
Today was the first time that I can recall, I used such a profanity. The reason was because I had not long woken up I was annoyed that you and your fellow trolls were continuing to create threads attacking Steve.
If you want to prove to yourself that I am an Englishman living in Spain, you have my phone number, ring me. I promise not to swear at you.
As far as I am concerned, what you and your troll friends are doing is unproductive. If you believe Steve I wrong about the delegate process, why not write your own articles explaining it more thoroughly instead of attacking him.
Anyway, this is becoming a bore. I have one more post to answer then I will not bother answer you or your troll friends again. If you want to say anything else to me, you have my number.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Whoooaaaaa this guy worked for headquarters?
And hes telling me to F*** off ??
sweet. So can I know who you are? Since you claim you worked for Ron Paul?
Id love to see proof which just like Steve Parent who maybe the same guy "Phantom" I BET I WILL NEVER SEE THAT PROOF EVER
dont think you can scare me off Parent. Im not the kind of person who will be intimidated. Please answer my questions that Im still asking you
"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Stop pissing your pants NotOverYet ...........
....... I do not and have never worked for Ron Paul or any of his HQ's as I have just explained.
I am not afraid to tell you who I am.
My name is Darren Dixon and I live at Pintior Francisco Rizi, No 14, Arcos de la Frontera, Cadiz, Spain. You can call me at 956 708 630 (you will need to use the code from the uS to call me if you want to) I had my own sandblasting business up until last year when I sold it for a very good price.
I am not Steve and if you care to call me you will hear my English accent.
Now I have told you who I am and where I live, why don't you grow some balls and tell us who you are, what your phone number is and what it is you do for a living.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
That is so very unprofessional
I never asked you to provide your private info. I dont know who the heck you are. I dont trust you. AND IM NOT ON THE RADIO TELLING PEOPLE TO MAKE A DELEGATE COUP AND ATTACKING ALEX JONES OR PIMPING FOR DONATIONS !!!
So Im not inclined to release my information and especially to yourself. Nor do I want it. I trusted Laurie when she said you claimed to be a ron Paul campaign staffer and Im sure shell clear this up anyways. I appologize if I was mistaken.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Well, now you know who I am ............
.......... I have nothing to hide and I am not afraid to expose my private details.
You may not have asked me to provide private information about myself but you did say; "So can I know who you are?" and the only way I could prove to you who I was, was by me providing my private info for you to check me out.
Then you said; "Id love to see proof which just like Steve Parent who maybe the same guy "Phantom" I BET I WILL NEVER SEE THAT PROOF EVER"". Well, now you have my information, what are you going to do about it now? Call me if you want and I will prove that I am not Steve.
I do not care if you trust me or not but you seem to trust what Laurie said about me working for HQ without her/him providing any proof that I ever did or ever said that I did.
I cannot say that I have heard Steve say anything about the delegates staging a coup at the National Convention. And as for Alex Jones, he is a shill who is earning a good living at scaring people. William Cooper exposed that moron for the true scaremonger he really is.
What is the problem with Steve trying to raise money for the new radio project? It is not like he is going to make millions doing so. From what I understand, all the DJ's are working for nothing. I have no problem with him raising cash to help this cause.
I do not expect any apologies from you or your friend Laurie. If anything, you should both apologise to Steve for starting these attacking threads and make better use of your time as one poster already pointed out.
This is becoming silly and the owner of this site should do something about it before it grows out of proportion.
If you feel that Steve is passing on false information about the delegate process, I suggest you and Laurie start threads to educate us all on the process instead of attacking Steve.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
No Phantom Im not F*ing off
thnks for the great character you show. Yet Another fine example of the Parent cult.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Why the fuck are you hear slagging of Steve?
What are you hoping to achieve?
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Its been 10 minutes since I asked you Phantom
You claim you worked for Ron Paul so..
What floor is Ron Paul on in DC? You have a filthy tongue to be the janitor in Congress let it be an actual Ron Paul staffer! I doubt you are truthful but Im asking you to prove you work for him like you claimed and since you stepped up in defence of this Steve Parent guy if youre not both the same person. Answer me dude. I didnt even ask you who you are.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
No NotOverYet ........
......... your paranoid troll friend Laurie said I worked for HQ not me.
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
Your spelling abilities are very similar to Parent's "deligates"
Why am I hear?
I cannot hear what you say friend? but I see your insults are discrediting me well.
So you claim you work for Ron Paul. Can I ask you this? What floor on Capitol Hill is Ron Paul's office on?
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Wow .........
.......... I wrote hear instead of here because I was rushing my typing.
Big deal.
You have my details, where are yours?
“I have joined your revolution and I’m proud to be part of what you want to do.” - Ron Paul
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Your title of the thread
seems to provide a false impression. No repent, but continue to doubt him.
Let us face it: All make mistakes and say and write things we should not have, jump to conclusions, which can lead to misunderstanding. PG has not advocated any unlawful GOP activities, and not all delegates are bound to vote for the presumptive nominee, it differes from state to state. SPG has consistently said one should enquire about the state laws also, as it differ.
We all have the same ideals and still think it is theoretically possible that Dr. Paul can win, right. Dr. Paul has said himself it is not over and a lot can happen during the coming months, so he does NOT exclude that he can still get the nomination.
Let us work on a strategy: I have read your posts yesterday and agree with quite a lot of points you are making. I do believe people should be trurthful and civilized, also during the RNC. They should not disrupt events, but rather persuade people, as this is the way we are going tow in the hearts and minds of people, not by acting as a resistence group, not by chasing the Sean hannitys of the world, but by being kind yet firm and show people that the GOP has lost its roots and has no chance of winning with McCain, with the pro-Iraq war etc. Having said this, I do not think neither the RNC nor the DNC will be without struggle and dissatisfaction! The Dems will also consider weigh the pro's and con's of both candidates and see with whom they have the best chance of winning. It seems like McCan is sticking with the public financing policy, meaning he will get 84 m for a 2 months campaign, which is not much considering how much money Obama and CLinton have raised combined among themselves. The Dem nominee will probably raise 250 m plus (Soros & Co pledged 40 m alone), so with 84 vs 250 plus and all the dirt on McCain, he does not have much of a chance. Ron Paul has the grassroot support and enthusiasm needed
to win, with a good campaign strategy also and can also raise 250 m. plus
He has to have a very good positive and sinpriring RNC speech in place by September, as well as Barry Goldwater, several congressmen like Walter Jones, and also ex-gov. Gary Johnson at the RNS to stump for him as well
as well as a strategy to campaign nationall as well as a possible VP candidate that will be able to integrate the whole GOP. IMHO a governor may be a better choice than a senator of congressman in Washington, and oen that has not endorsed McCain, liek Mark Sanford: great respect among many GOP.
We have to figure out how many pledged delegates there are for Paul, how many will and can vote for Paul during the first ballot and how many for McCain. This way many/all? stealth RP delegates that are pledged/bound to vote for McCain can vote for McCain during the first round, BUT so that McCain just, just loose the required amount of votes so as to enforce a second ballot, when many of them will be free to vote for Paul. Dr. Paul must be able toa ddress the convention before the ballot, not after the ballot like with Reagan in 1976 (thanks for that link!).
Apart from becoming delegates/alternative delegates and helpers, it will help our strategy plus our bid to get Dr. Paul elected tremendously to contribute to and focus on getting as much of the RP candidates to win their primaries against others GOP rivals, such as Lawson you mention and many others. If many of them can win - I notice there are more now -
and poll high vs their Democratic incumbents or rivals, and better on average than the, let us sus McCain GOP candidates, it will demonstrate to the RNC that with Paul as candidate they can win. This willa lso mean we can focus the RP revolution in its next phase: diversified and specific at local level for congressmen. We should support Murray Sabrin for senate plsu also identify more candidates, for instance Chuck Hagel will not renew his term in Nebraska: a very good candidate there that shares most/all of RP platform, will help. As one has suggested recalling McCain for the senate race by drafting Barry Goldwater in Az could also help to put a lot of pressure on McCain and force him to divert his attention. The GOP could not field a candidate in time in Arkansas. Is there not a good RP candidate that can run as an Independent, can get the support of the local GOP, LP as well as Independents?
Let us be positive and work towards chance and accept that we will have differences, but concentrate on what binds us together :-)
Thnk you speculor I agree with most of your points
Since this started my questions kept on increasing exponentially. I had one concern I asked Steve Parent and he ignored me. I asked him. Who are you? What kind of Dr are you? Can I see a photo or a video of yourself?
then I started gathering info that makes him lose credibility like releasing private donor info in a chatroom on the internet etc etc
I didnt want this to be what it is and have to write 3 posts and a 4th post which will be written after I get information from a meetup group I contacted about him. Since he told me "Contact your meetup" and theyll tell you who I am. I asked him which meetup and he refused to answer.
The more questions I ask him the more mysterious he becomes. Since hes a radio figure who talks in the name of Ron Paul grasroots I have all the right to question about who he is. Thnk you for reading
"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Something's not right here ...
My last post on this topic - I hope :-) (I'm REALLY going to try ... lol)
I was looking at the Ron Paul Forums links you put up and noticed something. In this thread: http://www.ronpaulforums...., the first post is from "tajitj" ... it's announcing that Revolution Broadcasting is ready to go - it's basically a carbon copy of what was posted here - AND it's signed DR. STEVE PARENT.
Next thread I looked at: http://www.ronpaulforums.... Take note of Post #2, also by "tajitj". It says: "I understand we all need to be delegates. But you seem to just put the idea out there but never have details. You understand the way delegates are picked differ in every state. Put out some specific info at each state forum on here. I am Texas state delegate along with my wife."
So ... is Steve Parent posting under multiple ID's? Responding to himself? What's up with that?
Missed the first line
"I found this on dailypaul.com"
It *was* a direct copy, not a new post.
That's why there is such an inconsistency.
IMPORTANT STEVE PARENT SUMMARY ON RPF:
Take a look at this post (the 2nd one at 6:33 or 7:33) by the RPF *moderator* who monitors all RPF posts:
www.ronpaulforums.com/sho...
Thnks for pointing that out justjenmi
He also posts here I suspect in many sock accounts defending himself and making me look like a kook just because I question him Thnks for bringing that up. I would like to add it to the editorial but its already too long for most people. I will add it to my last Steve Parent editorial after I recieve a response from the ClearWater meetup.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
A more important issue here,
A more important issue here, in my opinion, is not "who is Steve Parent and what's he up to?", but the wrongheaded political strategy he has promoted. I know that on the Internet it's normal to use attacks to squash people and play Smashmouth Football. But inasmuch as I do not know anything about Parent--I agree he's a mysterious figure--I am willing to cut him some slack and reserve judgment. Whoever he is.
His political strategy. however, is wrong, and I'm glad to hear people in this Forum finally start to acknowledge as much. I don't think it's a strategy he invented with his name affixed to it--I've heard lots of people in other forums promote the 'delegate coup strategy', and in fact I've been hearing it ever since Super Tuesday.
It's not a good idea, and we should not do it. If there's one primary danger to the Ron Paul Revolution, it's that the media (and mainstream GOP shills) might dismiss us as "Moonie" style kooks, and the label would stick. Persist in this harebrained delegate takeover plan, and you'll have made it easy for them.
Part of the blame here must go to the people in the chain of command. No one knows what our "mission" is at this writing, other than 'hang in there'. The communication has been sorely lacking. That's no reason, however, to engage in misguided political vigilantism that embarrasses Ron Paul and gives a black eye to our collective image with the public. Without support from the general public, we can accomplish absolutely nothing.
Think it through, please. The delegate takeover strategy is not a good idea.
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Certainly we should be questioning Everything Everyone says. Never just following. If you research and what he says seems to make sense, then do it. It's all just information. Always be suspicious of anyone who becomes prominent because when they make a mistake we all do. This is the problem with following, or centralizing and this is why we are able to change so rapidly versus structure. Look all the creativity coming out of this campaign. It is an example of what our society could be like, all different people working together toward a common goal, none forced to be here. But look at the instant conflict when someone dubs someone "leader" in some way. We do not need leaders, but people will always have the desire to follow. We need to have common goals but never leaders. Even Dr. Paul has said this......time and time again, don't let him down. WWRPD. This is a Ron Paul revolution, but should it need to...this revolution will carry on as far as it needs to go and as long as it needs to go because we cannot live the lives of ants answering to a queen and never being able to know that there is a chance to lead should someone be deserving and only when determined to be a leader by his actions and character. I don't know about you guys but I have felt helpless and unfairly treated under this government for a long time, but that's the problem. I felt it and didn't do enough. What can I do here today that can help us move forward together....if it sound like a good idea and produces results, then some can follow, but at all times wary of what I am doing.
Not about past mistakes but about future actions
The concerns being raised are about what actions *will* be taken at the GOP national convention "in RP's name" without RP's approval or knowledge.
If delegates *in RP's name* effectively throw temper tantrums and defy their "parent" states, do you think that might impact RP, the RP movement, and the GOP party?
Worse than the infamous "newsletters"?
Well
No one should do anything disruptive, I've heard talk about delegates who are bound to McCain "sitting out" the first round which sounds peaceful and ethical to me. There is a good chance any Ron Paul supporter will be treated with hostility so it makes it even more important to be educated and non confrontational and maximizing the moments when it is safe to let your allegiance be shown. Individual Temper tantrums will get nothing done, unified voices can. Tantrums will probably leave Ron Paul supporters out in the street with a Taser in their back. We will have to feel the situation out to a degree for any rigid strategy can be compromised and thwarted. The daily paul is free for anyone to read. If you tell me your going to sneak in the back door of my house at 3am on Tuesday, don't be surprised if I am waiting for you. We need to know how to play football but not give up the play......we know what the rules are and we know what good sportsmanship is. The other team may try to cheat, but they will look bad for it.