Founder of America's third Largest Party says:"Alan Keyes is an ENEMY OF RON PAUL" @ CP Convention
Posted April 26th, 2008 by NotOverYet
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***(((BREAKING NEWS UPDATE))) Ron Paul 2.0-CHUCK BALDWIN WON NOMINATION AND KO's political failure Alan keyes by 383 to 125 votes wooooooooot ***
***** IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS A BIASED EDITORIAL! I AM A RON PAUL CONSERVATIVE & A CHUCK BALDWIN FAN & I'M NOT GOING TO BE "Fair & Balanced" *****
The Third Largest Party in the United States The Constitution Party(Yes its larger than the Libertarian Party) had its convention yesterday in Kansas City Missouri. I will leave my readers with 2 links after a short dose of my thoughts. Ego driven NeoCon warmonger Alan Keyes has left the Republican party and switched to the Constitution Party to try and get its nomination for President of the United States. It seems that the founder of the Constitution Party 'Howard Philips' could not bite his conscience and let a neocon get the nomination of the CP destroying all the work he has done for years and polluting his party. Howard Philips who took the Podium attacked former Ambassador Alan Keyes yesterday Friday, April 25th 2008(Click here to listen to Philips' speech http://www.mediafire.com/...) in a hope he will convince enough delegates to support former student of Jerry Falwell and staunch Ron Paul supporter Reverend Chuck Baldwin(http://www.youtube.com/wa...). Baldwin who was drafted by the constitutionalist Southern Baptists in hopes to save the party from a possible NeoCon takeover has answered the call and accepted to Speak at the Convention yesterday giving a Fiery Speech that rocked the convention floor with applause from the audience and standing ovations. Keyes who also gave a strong speech got a somewhat cautious applause and a standing ovation at the end though not as enthusiastic as Baldwin's applause. Today as we get the reports from the Nevada State GOP Convention we will also get to know, whom the Constitution Party nominee is going to be. This being said if the CP does not nominate Rev. Chuck Baldwin then theyve lost all my support forever.
Featured articles with news from yesterday's convention(Interesting):
Special thnks to George dance from Nolan Charts
http://www.nolanchart.com...
Special thnks to Mike Ferguson from Third Party Watch
http://thirdpartywatch.co...
Chuck Baldwin stumps for Ron Paul in a fiery speech in South Carolina last January. http://www.youtube.com/wa...
It is important to also note that Pastor Baldwin is no opportunist trying to capitalize on Ron Paul infact Baldwin tried to draft Dr. Ron Paul back in 2004 for the CP nomination and when the Good Dr. refused the offer Baldwin had to go on the VP slot for that ticket. Baldwin is a long time Ron Paul supporter and hes not any kind of religious nutcase. He is also very aware and knowledgable of the issues from the economy to the war etc.. etc..
[1] Pastor Chuck Baldwin is FOUNDER-PASTOR of Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. his official website is www.ChuckBaldwinlive.com
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In honor of the neocon trolls attacking the CP and lying
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well the CP convention was a Ron Paul love fest you should know
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
I've listened to a few
I've listened to a few things Keyes has said and alot didn't sit well with me. I have been in several heated discussions about Keyes on Youtube. Don't like him.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
Transcript
I did a transcript of a small portion of his speech. Beyond Phillips' slamming Keyes as a neocon, more interesting is that Phillips' hinted that he was serving as the personal mouthpiece of Ron Paul to back Chuck Baldwin. Most intriguing was the hint that Ron Paul would throw $35 million behind the Baldwin campaign.
This was no small feat for Howard Phillips to take. You can hear his voice cracking when he talks about Alan Keyes being a long-time friend, but that these are in fact the positions Keyes takes on the issues.
"The Democrats say that this election is about change; I say it's about choice -- not in the abortion sense, but in the sense of our deciding whether our party will continue to exist. There is already a neocon party; it's called the Republicans. There is a candidate for the nomination of our party, who until about a week ago was a Republican, and who is a neocon and supports all the neocon principles. We have to choose between being a neocon party or the Constitution Party.
"(applause)
"The neocons favor a continued presence in Iraq, and indeed the gentleman to whom I refer favors an ongoing U.S. presence in the Middle East. The neocons favor continued U.S. membership in the UN. Our party is on record against it. But this gentleman is for it. Our party is against foreign aid; it's in the platform, but this gentleman continues favoring and indeed expanding foreign aid. Our party has passed resolutions and its platform says we should get out of NATO, our membership in which requires us, if we honor that treaty, to go to war whenever one of the member nations of NATO comes under attack. Pat Buchanan wrote a great poem the other day, 'Should America go to war for South Esisha (sp?)
"People have joined us, and they joined Ron Paul -- and the candidate I favor by the way was a very close supporter of Ron Paul. The neocon candidate who challenges Chuck Baldwin regularly denounced Ron Paul and the policies which he advocated. He often sounded like Rudy Giuliani in his denunciation of Ron Paul's position whether we should get of Iraq. And of course Ron Paul was with the principles of this platform and this party and let me say Ron is someone with whom I've worked since he first came to Congress. I've worked closely with his Congressional staff, with his campaign staff, and let me tell you that Chuck Baldwin is a hero to those folks because Chuck Baldwin was there on the front lines for Ron Paul.
"(applause)
"Bob Barr is a friend of mine as Alan Keyes has been in years gone by. And Bob Barr spoke with Ron Paul on three occasions begging him for his support as he seeks the Libertarian Party nomination, but Ron Paul will not do that because in his heart, Ron Paul knows that Chuck Baldwin is right, and if the Paul people were to support anyone it's Chuck Baldwin they should be supporting. (applause) And this is something we can look to.
"Ron Paul has attracted scores of thousands of supporters. He's got an estimated 35 million dollars in the bank. And those supporters and those resources can become an asset to this party if we nominate a candidate who has been a friend of Ron Paul, not an enemy of Ron Paul.
"(applause)
"If our principles are excluded from the 2008 campaign, they could be lost to history. Ideas which are not advocated in a political context are lost to history. I urge you my dear friends to choose the nominee who is duty-driven, not ego-driven -- (applause) -- a man who joned our party more than five years ago, not less than one week ago; a man who is not a perpetual office-seeker moving from state to state, but a man who is a persistent opponent of the principles of which this party was founded and whose candidacy will not shower ridicule on our party for having favored reparations and jumped into mosh pits and so forth. Our candidate, if he's Chuck Baldwin, whose disgust with the policies of George Bush led him to leave the Republican Party early in the Bush administration, not to linger until a week ago.
"(applause)
"With Chuck Baldwin it's not personal ambition, it's servant leadership. (applause) My friends, in some respects, Dr. Baldwin's opponent, a man who I do respect and I'd admire and I've loved as a friend, is in fact worse than the GOP on some issues. Well, the GOP says it's a tax-cutting policy, Alan Keyes says he favors compulsory national -- he favors a national sales tax, which according to the advocates of the so-called Fair Tax, which was Huckabee's, would impose a 30% tax on many sales. That would kill the automobile industry. It would further kill the real estate industry. It would further destroy our economy. Chuck Baldwin's principle opponent favors compulsory national service -- he favors a return to the military draft. That is a horrendous thing. And I'm not making this up; this is what he told me from his mouth to my ear. Others have been present with him when those positions were advocated."
God bless Howie Phillips
He has put himself forward as a candidate for the USTP/CP three times, and I know it would pain him to see a neocon come along and take the nomination. Phillips has put so much blood, sweat, and tears into building up the CP it would be a huge slap in the face to nominate Keyes.
I think Keyes is a bit shady in some respects (last time he ran for office he paid himself a massive salary from his campaign donations, which--while legal--is definitely somewhat on the low end of the ethical scale). He is not a good fit for the CP and I am heartened that the delegates knew this.
I also know that Baldwin and Phillips would make it happen so if Ron Paul does not get the GOP nomination in Sept., he could take over the CP nomination and be on the ballot in about 40 states right out of the gate. I doubt Alan Keyes would step aside for Ron Paul. No, actually, I don't doubt it...I just flat out know he would not do it, because Alan Keyes runs for Alan Keyes, not out of principle.
Any word on the VP candidate chosen by Baldwin????
Write in candidate
In Ohio, you can NOT write in Ron Paul ...your vote will NOT be counted if you do. Write-in candidates must go through the proper procedures to have ballot access, and Dr. Paul has not done that. I would certainly write in Dr. Paul if the vote would be counted.
If Ron Paul does not get the Republican nomination
and does not run 3rd party or independent then I will vote for Chuck Baldwin. As in my opinion he is second in choice only to Ron.
bumpity for the good news and more to come from Nevada
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Please close your <strong>strong</strong> tag, Not Over Yet
all the comments on the page are bold :)
lolol thnks alaskaron.
lolol thnks alaskaron. Problem fixed
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
unfortunately, I don't think
Fortune Favors the Bold
The CP has ballot acces in New Jersey. While I would like to write in Ron Paul, it will be crucial for me to vote for Sabrin, assuming he gets the nomination. I hope there is a way I can do both.
JohnGalt
On the November general election ballot, you can vote for anyone you please, from any party, from various parties, for all the different offices.
Vote in the republican primary, so you can try to get Sabrin onto the general election ballot in November, for sure.
Then, in November, you could vote for Sabrin (Republican) for Senate, Ron Paul or Chuck Baldwin (either Constitution Party or write in) for president, and any one else for any other office, no matter what party. You don't have to vote a straight ticket (all one party) in November, though many people choose to do that (the diehard Dems and Republicans tend to vote straight ticket).
what i meant is
Fortune Favors the Bold
we have diebold machines in Jersey. Should I use a provisional ballot? Maybe, but then again, they might just through those away. Are there "slots" on a provisional ballot? To be honest,this will be the first year I am voting in a general election.
the "provisional ballot" is
the "provisional ballot" is probably the same ballot -- it's just marked as provisional. I had to vote with a "provisional" ballot in Texas. We have electronic ballots but I don't think it's diebold. I got a letter in the mail saying my vote was counted. Anyway, I voted using the same machine as anyone else, so unless NJ does it differently, that won't work to avoid diebold machines...
JohnGalt I just found out the CP has Ballot access in NJ
Good for you if Dr Paul dosent win the nomination God Forbid
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Omg so you guys cant write
Omg so you guys cant write in Ron Paul in Generals? or can you do that? really sucks to have diebold
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
SC can not write in either.
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The Delegate Rule Book for the RNC
Read It--Learn It--Know It! Don't let the GOP violate the rules.
Who knows you could learn a few tricks of your own.
pdf file:
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lynnpolly check this video out Amazing
Chuck Baldwin Stumping speech for Ron Paul in SC bac in January
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
The CP probably got ballot access in SC. though I aint sure lynn
thnks for the heads up by the way. So you cant even write in Ron Paul ona provisional ballot? If not Id say consider Baldwin if he has ballot access in SC
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Thanks for the info. but I'll be continuing to fight
for Ron's party. Was going to go back to being Libertarian but feel we have a better chance through the GOP. Just today I read about great things happening in Nevada -- earlier from Alaska and Washington. It's time we ran with the big dogs and quit hiding on the fringe. If we can take over the Republicans, Americans will start hearing our message more than ever before.
I hadn't even heard of the Constitution Party until about six months ago. It has fewer registered members than many US counties. I also would have more respect for the organization if it would call itself the "Christian Constitution Party". Nothing wrong with stating what you are. Just be honest and upfront about it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
Lisa, I made up my mind
Lisa,
I made up my mind that i would switch over to constition party after my delegate responcibilities are over.. I cannot in no way shape or form stay as a republican with the way they treated Ron Paul. I f we can take back over our party that would be great! we'll see what happens at the convention!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Agreed--unless Ron Paul is
Agreed--unless Ron Paul is nominated, the GOP has enjoyed its last vote from me. I do not support fascism and neither does Jesus Christ.
SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States
Good choice!
Unfortunately the CP does not exist in my state, though we do have a party called the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP), which in 2004 gave their ballot line to the CP presidential ticket (Peroutka/Baldwin) and will be doing so again this year. They are very much ideologically the same.
I first got involved in the CP in the early '90s when it was in its infancy and was known as the U.S. Taxpayers' Party, when Howie Phillips first ran for prez in '92. In the first election I was old enough to vote in, '94, I volunteered like there was no tomorrow, working as a county co-coordinator on a U.S. Senate campaign under the USTP (now CP) banner. We officially got 8% statewide, and as high as 38% in some counties. That was my first experience with suspected vote fraud (how do neighboring counties have drastically different returns when the county line is literally just a line on a map, where one side of the line voted 11% and the other side 38% for the guy?)
I may re-register as AIP now that my delegate duties are fulfilled (I was a state delegate alternate, but since I am not going to the national convention, I have nothing tying me to the GOP forever).
Lisa noone here said that you should leave the GOP
Unless if Dr Paul dosent win youll support McCain or Obama. Baldwin is the real deal. You dont have to switch parties to vote in the General. Ron Paul ran for President as the Libertarian nominee but he was still a registered Republican like he has been all his life and his Parents and grand parents and so on they were all Republicans
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Never said anyone did.
Just giving my 2 cents -- like you did NotOverYet.
I might decide not to vote at all, who knows? Why would you ever think I would support McCain or Obama? Fighting to change the Republican Party and voting in the general election are two different things.
I will write-in Ron Paul come November if at all possible. I just voted absentee for the June election in California and wrote-in Ron Paul over the incumbent Republican Congressman -- just because. I might vote for Ron Paul for sheriff, county clerk, and dog catcher too.
Ron Paul or bust.
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
bwwaaaahahahaaa thnks for your 2 cents Lisa. you Rock
Thnks for the laugh too. I hope that sends a message to your local GOP. Who knows how many people are doing this already? I hope it knocks some sense into them. How about starting to unseat neocon Nazi decendant Gov. Arnold and installing a true Conservative. I hope you guys find someone you can rally behind and support in CA.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
I (heart) Howie Phillips
Howie Phillips has been a hero of mine for many years. I knew he would not stand idly by and watch neocon Keyes try to swoop in and destroy the party that has been built by so many dedicated people (of whom I was one!!!!)
Thank God or your other favorite diety for men of principle such as Howard Phliips, Chuck Baldwin, and Ron Paul. They are all cut from the same cloth, whereas Alan Keyes is cut from a dingy old neo-con dish rag.
thnks for your kind words alaskaron
Thnk God Philips did the right thing. If he didnt he wouldve been a man with no principles whatsoever. HE did what is right at the right time
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
very interesting... the
very interesting... the liberals have disguised themselvs and took over the republican party... now you read that- that idiot gravel went to the libertarian party.. now keyes is trying the constitution party.. the establishment is running scared.. they now see a significant amount of the US population starting to GET IT! now they are in panic mode.. trying to infiltrate 3rd parties! this is what Ron Paul has done by getting into the republican debates! he has raised the issues and awareness! if somehow we could get the libertarians and constitution party together we could swing the elections! as this economy gets worse and worse there will be more braindead people start to ask questions and start looking for answers.. Ron Paul will stick out like a sore thumb, as he has predicted what is coming because of terrible over spending and the inflating of the currency! can you see what i'm getting at? you smarter folks take this from here! how can we do this??
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
Thnks sierra for a grt comment
If Dr Paul dosent get the nomination God Forbid you need to look at Chuck Baldwin. He is the real deal. He is Truly Ron Paul 2,0 and was never afraid to criticize Bush or even his mentor Jerry Falwell when Falwell betrayed his principles and endorsed the Bush regime. Libertarian Bob Barr has too many bones in the closet, Libertarian Wayne Allyn Root is a flip flopper who supported the war up till February now he changed his language. Gravel is a socialist.
Baldwin is the real deal and the same man he has always been. research him. wiki him and see for yourself. Baldwin also has a great chance to get the most votes in the Conservative South and muster support and expose more people to Ron Paul. Chuck is our man if Dr Paul dosent get the nomination. Have a great weekend.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
hey you don't need to
hey you don't need to convice me on Chuck Baldwin! He would make a great president right behind Ron Paul! notice how despite the media ignoring Ron Paul he still recieved 16% of the vote in pennsylvania... that is because the economy has worsened from february to today and people are hurting. Now Ron Paul does not look like a kook like the MSM tried to portray him as.. as the ecnomy worsens Ron Paul will look like a biblical prophet! I will still write in Ron Paul if he is not the Repub nominee, if I cannot write him in, I will vote for hopefully Chuck Baldwin!
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I'm proud to have voted for Baldwin for VP in 2004
He's a good man. Like Ron Paul. That sums it up: he's a *good*, honest man.
Alaskaron & sierra thnk you both so much
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
The USTP/Constitution Party has been my home
for many years. The only time I have not voted for their nominee so far was when I voted for Buchanan on the Reform ticket in 2000.
Bump for the good read and
Bump for the good read and the hope Rev Chuck gets the CP nomination today at the Convention
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
if we could somehow get a
if we could somehow get a Ron Paul/ chuck baldwin ticket after the Republican convention where Ron Paul does not get the nomination that would be huge! now i'm not suggesting Ron Paul is out of this thing! but as were seeing in the state conventions , us Ron Paul supporters are being crapped on! to get the libertarians and the constitution party together for this election would be huge! does the constitution party or libertarians have ballot access to all 50 states?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
The CP has ballot access to between 30 - 40 states
If they give alan Keyes the nomination they will lose my support. A Paul/Baldwin ticket would probably be the best thing to happen to America since Jefferson. Let us wait and see and let us keep our options open. In the words of the Good Doc himself Anything can happen between now and November.
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
"A Paul/Baldwin ticket would
"A Paul/Baldwin ticket would probably be the best thing to happen to America since Jefferson."
I definitely agree with that!