Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin!McCain Must Lose!
Posted April 27th, 2008 by Robo14
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Either the candidate of the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party should get our votes while we ensure McCain's defeat and continue to take over State parties....in preparation for a 2012 Presidential election with a REAL liberty-oriented candidate...
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So Obama can win! Yee-haw. Shuckembuck
Morning funnies.
Tell us, oh enlightened one, what should we do? Who should we vote for in your opinion? I, for one, simply must know because I'm just another one of the sheeple willing to follow the advice of anyone professing to be smarter than everyone else, and clearly, you must be.
So, do tell.
A McCain loss due to an
A McCain loss due to an obvious GOP grassroots flight to more limited government candidates, may well be worth 4 years of Obamanism, tragic as that will inevitably be. If the Barr / Baldwin / (Paul if on any ballots) tally is large enough, GOP strategists will have to at least be somewhat more accommodating to us next time around. Unless they are content to sit on the sidelines forever. And once we have a foot in the door, we’ll be a lot harder to paint as irrelevant extremists who’ll never amass enough votes to matter anyway.
Exactly. And, for those here
Exactly. And, for those here who arent delusional with thoughts of conspiracy, an Obama presidency would be better than a McCain presidency. I doubt the GOP will change their policies too much, but seeing that there are people out there who a) left the party for a more liberal government (Obama) or b) want a more sensible conservative platform.
But, I think the neoconservatives have a firm grasp on the GOP. I would say that RP, Baldwin, Barr make their own party, but their existence as a boil on the ass of the Republicans is probably best.
Given a democratic congress,
Given a democratic congress, I’d much rather see McCain in the white house than Obama. None of them will do any good. Both will attempt to do a lot of bad. They probably can’t help it. That’s just who they are. Ergo, the more they are hampered by gridlock, the better.
Also, seeing how close the Supremes in Heller came to blatantly strip away the entire second amendment; giving a trashy, slimy, pandering-to-the-lowest-common-denominator, careerist scumbag like Obama any say in the selection of Supreme Court judges whatsoever, feels a bit like playing Russian Roulette with our cherished constitution. McCain ain’t all that, either, but I do trust his judgment just a tiny bit more.
That aside, though, if McCain’s loss came on the back of overwhelming support for smaller government candidates Barr, Baldwin and, if possible, Paul, the gamble may well be worth it. Which is why it is so damned important to show the Karl Rowes of the world that the GOP lost because their base wants them to champion smaller government, not because they haven’t gone far enough in their appeal to Kristol’s ‘liberals mugged by reality’. And that, unless Paul somehow manages to show up on a ballot, means voting for either Barr or Baldwin, regardless how phony and small-minded they may appear on some issues. And it also means specifically _not_, under any circumstance whatsoever, voting for some socialist, regardless of how eloquent or hip our mainstream media manages to make him appear.
doesn't make any
doesn't make any difference.. mccain or the afromarxist are 2 peas in a pod .. you think obomba will stop the war?
as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD
I dont think you guys
I dont think you guys understand history. Or communism. Or Socialism. Or politics.
Do you understand...
how to find the 'door'?
lemme help. go to google, enter mkkain '08, and follow some links there. maybe you can find some place to hang out. or maybe not, since he is just a foul-mouthed senator with no friends or support. sorry, your life sure sucks :-(
THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT
THE MORE I LOVE MY GUNS
FourWindsTradingPost
See you in hell my friend.
See you in hell my friend.
Since your so smart could
Since your so smart could you explain socialism to me. By the way,
Socialism doenst work on paper either.
Study and study hard because the fine people on this site are very versed in both history and economics.
And yes Im sure Obama nation or McCan't would love your uneducated support. You seem to be the most obsurd person on this site. You know nothing of what you speak. You nothing about Dr. Paul and you dont belong here. We dont need people like you and dont want them either. You make us all look bad for we dont want your words, your attitude or your uneducated opinion associated with any of us.
GO AWAY for the love of god and all that is holy.
You socialist scum
The whole election is a puppet show
If we get an Obama / McCain choice, we lost. There will be a very close election, they are the most entertaining. It will be so close maybe even Idaho's vote will count. But in the end the winner will be... The International banking cartel. The media will tell is so, everyone will be so happy we are a free and democratic society, then go back to their assigned roles.
Fight the FED. THAT is the real battleground.
UMM
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Ron Paul is still running. People are working very hard for Ron Paul right now, silence yourself about Barr and Baldwin until after the convention.
Tog
and Jdayh
I love you also!!
Tog........
I love you :-)
Baldwin and Ruwart have
30-year records, too? I never knew.
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George Dance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dance_(Ontario_politician)
affirmation: President Paul
affirmation: President Paul 2008
Are you kidding?? Are you one of those nasty trolls I've read about?
Dr. Paul gets the vote - a man of integrity, compassion, wisdom and knowledge of the constitution. Once you've "sampled" his message, he's our only hope.
Barr is a fraud watch out
hes the Guilliani of the LP, he even made ads asking Ron Paul's supporters to support him and talking about the "3 Candidates" still in the race!
Barr's record does not support his message. He better go back to Congress for anoher 30 years like Dr. No and come out with a clean record or else I can never support him. He also has an ethics scandal with a woman I guess. While acting like hes Mr Morality
That said
Baldwin and Ruwart are the real deal
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
Ron Paul Is My President
In God We Trust!
I'm trusting in the Lord to put everything together as only He can!
Ron Paul all the way!
Ron Paul is THE MAN !
Dr. Paul cured my apathy
No way. My vote stands with
No way. My vote stands with Ron Paul. If he wants to endorse someone else if he can't win the Republican nomination, that's fine. But my vote is tied to him until that time.
No need for that until
after the Republican convention. Then, if Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination, it's time for the rEVOLution to consider one of these Plan B's.
Better for them, too. Imagine if Baldwin or the Libertarian candidate suddenly jumped from 1% to 5% in the polls in September ... that type of surge would surely be noticed.
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George Dance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dance_(Ontario_politician)
I suggest you change the
I suggest you change the Title to Ruwart or Chuck Baldwin. I like Ruwart but I prefer Baldwin.
Barr's record does not support his message. He better go back to Congress for anoher 30 years like Dr. No and come out with a clean record or else I can never support him. He also has an ethics scandal with a woman I guess. While acting like hes Mr Morality
Baldwin and Ruwart are the real deal
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"
Congressman Ron Paul
CP & LP
If the CP or LP get even 2% of the vote added together it will be a miracle. Unless the Doc is on my ballot I'll likely vote for the LP candidate again anyway.
Ron Paul is Fantastic...but the struggle for the nomination in t
he GOP for President is over...We need to support candidates that support his agenda for change...We certainly can't support Obama or McCain...
Really?
They had the RNC without telling us?
In PA
we only got 4 delegates, much less than expected. I had thought that we'd at least have a strong delegation from PA. until I got that news, I believed a majority in the convention was within our grasp, but I'm basically convinced that's over now.
I, too donated significantly in time and money to RP. There is no way any true Ron Paul supporter would vote for JM, HRC or BHO.
When Ron spoke @ Indiana University of PA a few weeks ago, he said he hopes a third party candidate would stand up who can be on the ballot this fall.
I hope Baldwin goes and gets the Libertarian party Nomination, and the two parties work together to get ballot access in all 50 states.
If Ron Paul wins the republican nomination, I'm fairly sure that the CP and LP candidates would step down (I talked to Mike Jingostan (sp?), and he said he wouldn't step down if Ron was nominated).
Ron Paul is simply our best
Ron Paul is simply our best chance. I am with him. These other guys/girls can get behind OUR candidate of the Constitution!
RON PAUL REVOLUTION!
I am voting for Ron Paul. I
I am voting for Ron Paul. I find it distasteful when people come here advocating other presidential candidates. This is Ron Paul's site!
You got it billyjack.
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Lisa C.
http://www.women4ronpaul....
My vote stands with Ron Paul
My vote stands with Ron Paul and the movement towards Constitutional government.
I'm voting for Ron Paul or
I'm voting for Ron Paul or whoever RP endorses if he is no longer in the race after the convention.
Ruwart? Smith? Phillies?
In principle, I'm inclined to agree, but let's wait a bit to see who the LP puts forth. I'm hoping that the LP and the CP can forge a mutual nonaggression pact, and not compete with each other. Certain States have demonstrated a greater proclivity to vote LP, others are more likely to support the CP. Let each party put forth its (for the sake of argument) Baldwin or Barr ticket, each pledged to direct their respective electors to vote for Dr Paul. Divide the battlegrounds as evenly as possible (in terms of voting populations) and then direct electors to vote for either Baldwin or Barr for VP based on their respective popular votes.
Of course, if the GOP manages to come to its senses by September and jettisons Sid Vicious, snubs Slick Willard, and rejects Schmuck Knuckledrag, then I would expect both Mr Baldwin and Mr Barr to step up to support the Paul ticket, seeing as how they have both ALREADY endorsed The Good Doctor.
However, I think it would be prudent to have a fall back position whereby neither the CP nor the LP need dilute their support across the Union, but each play to their individual strengths. If it turns out that the Constitution Party is stronger in Ohio than the Libertarian Party, then I would cheerfully vote CP, in spite of a lifetime of voting Libertarian.
Viva Agora!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org
Bravo, Prof.
I was going to compose a response, but you saved me the trouble. I like every word you said.
The one thing that worries me a bit about Barr right now, is that I am not so sure he would step aside for Ron Paul, but I know Chuck Baldwin would be willing to do this to the point of giving up his spot on the ballot for Ron Paul to step in.
Tentative Endorsement
I base my enthusiasm for Messrs Barr and Baldwin on their previous endorsements of Dr Paul. I know that Mr Barr has reversed himself before (abandoning the Drug "War" in favor of a more enlightened pro-liberty position), but I am not ready to give up hope. I may be naive, but I prefer the joy of optimism to the despair of impending doom and betrayal.
Tempus Fugits, and old men forget!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org
Why don't y'all wait for
Barr to actually announce he's running before conferring a nomination on him that isn't decided for 4 weeks yet?
Robo14 -- who are you?
Your first post and you post this?
Not even a mention of Mary Ruwart?
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Lisa C.
www.women4ronpaul.com
I have posted on this website for months.....
I have supported Ron Paul for the GOP nomination since he announced last year....but ...he's got no hope to get the GOP nomination....it's time to support candidates who would be running in the general to siphon off support for that war-monger McCain...That is the ONLY way that the GOP could be forced to acknowledge it's abandonment of libertarian and pro-freedom Republicans....
Sorry Robo14. I've been here nearly everyday
for over six months and I've never seen your username before.
The only way to deal with the GOP is for us to become the GOP. I don't take kindly to you giving me choices of candidates as if you're the "decider". Until I decide otherwise, I'm voting for Ron Paul.
I also suggest, if you're going to tell people who to vote for, include all possible nominees, like Mary Ruwart.
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Lisa C.
http://www.women4ronpaul....
you haven't seen his
you haven't seen his username? this is the standard by which you judge someone's credibility on a forum?
wow. we really are screwed.
I've been supporting Ron Paul
and financing him to the tune of $2300 this election cycle...I have the utmost respect for him...It's probably true that Paulistinians can infiltrate the GOP in certain areas...HOWEVER,if you want to make an IMMEDIATE impact on the direction of the GOP,McCain MUST LOSE!...that means siphoning off votes from him in the general election....Bob Barr and to a lesser degree,Chuck Baldwin have some name recognition...the lady you mentioned has not....we need name candidates in the LP and CP to siphon off the votes...Once the GOP gets it through it's thick skull that it can't win without us...it will be forced to come around...I was hoping Ron Paul would run 3rd Party too..but it ain't going to happen....
Neither
RON PAUL!
You said it, jshowell!
It's bad enough that RP has been treated everywhere else like he's no longer a candidate. Pathetic that people have to treat him like that here, too.
If Chuck Balwin Steps Aside for Ron Paul for the Constitution Pa
rty nomination,I would have no problem voting for him as the Constitution Party candidate...but that is not going to happen considering that Ron has already said he will not run as a 3rd Party candidate...