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Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items.

Due to the likelihood that FEMA or other government agents will enforce restrictions that violate citizens' rights to own guns, ammunition, food reserves, and precious metals in the event of a severe depression or other calamity, some outlaws might consider burying at least some of their cache of survival items in well-sealed, unbreakable plastic containers.

Large PVC pipe sections with glued-on end caps might be used for smaller items like guns, ammunition, and precious metals. Guns could be wrapped in oil-drenched rags and inside plastic bags. When gluing, these scofflaws would know to swab surfaces with PVC primer first then make sure to quickly and thoroughly slop lots of PVC glue on the parts to be joined, speedily join them, rotating a partial turn, and hold them tightly in place for at least five seconds, ensuring a watertight capsule. Some might use a clean-out plug for easier opening, well sealed on both threaded surfaces with sticky wax from a wax toilet ring after the cache capsule is loaded for burial.

Where might they bury these capsules? Scofflaws realize that anything metal (gold, silver, guns & ammo) buried in their yard or hidden in their wall or attic can be easily located with a good metal detector and they could be prosecuted for noncompliance or conspiracy to withhold contraband if detected. Therefore they are apt to select an off-site location that is free from prying eyes as they bury, a site also unlikely to be bulldozed in the near future. First they would select a spot that aligns with permanent features so they could relocate it. They would use a small tarp to protect the surface from soil spillage and load one or more plastic buckets with their excavated earth. Before digging, they would carefully set aside any surface debris so they could replace it afterward to disguise their digging location. A smart illegal hoarder would tamp the earth well as they covered the cache capsule so it will not settle, leaving a telltale depression.

Since anti-hoarding statutes may entail house-to-house searches for food reserves, expect illegal hoarders to hide at least part of their food reserves underground. This presents a more complex challenge than burying smaller items. One likely if surprising ruse is to hide food reserves in a septic tank. Let me explain.

The hoarder realizes he needs a strong, waterproof, good-sized chamber for storing sealed plastic buckets full of storage foods underground. I have recently researched polyethylene septic tanks and suspect they are already in use for this purpose. They are light enough to be transported by pickup and carried or dragged by two people. They come equipped with manhole covers that could be sealed using the toilet ring wax method after they are stocked with provisions, plus they are non-metallic so a metal detector cannot be used to find them. These tanks are available for about a dollar per gallon capacity. You can judge for yourself by googling "plastic septic tanks" or follow some of these links to investigate:
http://www.plastic-mart.c...
http://www.ntotank.com/?g...
http://www.tank-depot.com...
http://www.fralo.net/
http://www.loomistank.com...
http://www.watertanks.com...

Many suppliers also sell underground cistern tanks that might also be used in this fashion, not to mention as rainwater storage tanks for which they are intended.

Those who conspire to hoard foodstuffs are sure to select long-term storage foods, adequately protected against moisture and insects. LDS church members have lots of information on storage techniques, which outlaws should be able to locate online.

Here again, care is probably taken to conceal signs of recent excavation, so lots of tarps are no doubt laid down, topsoil set aside for later replacement, and grooming/planting/littering to resemble the surrounding terrain as the final touch. The manhole cover would be buried at least as deep as the top of the tank is wide to avoid any hollow sounds. A sheet of plastic covering the manhole would protect against earth intrusions when the chamber is opened. Let's say illegal hoarders planned to bury a 1,000-gallon tank. They would need to remove at least 300 five-gallon buckets-full of earth. That's a lot of digging over several days so they would pick a location hidden from view and unlikely to attract visitors. They could be slowed down or even thwarted by big boulders, bedrock, or tangled tree roots, plus they would have to find a home for their excess dirt away from their cache site. They would be sure to have a couple pairs of tough, comfortable gloves and a good, stout long-handled shovel before they begin. It would be a bit of a workout.

Now that you know the details of how criminal hoarders are apt to try to thwart federal authorities you will be better able to spot suspicious activity and turn them in to the proper authorities. Go get 'em!

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Bury it in the backyard...

Then throw nails all over the place. :)

Nails

Then they would bring in a backhoe and plow up the whole place.

Regarding guns, just

Regarding guns, just recently the state of Wyoming made it illegal to confiscate legally owned guns for any reason regardless of whether there is some emergency, natural disaster, etc. I've read another article which mentioned that at least 10 states have similar laws on the books.

But something I did not know until just a few minutes ago...

As per section 557 of H.R. 5441 [109th]: Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2007 which was signed into law in October 2006 http://www.govtrack.us/co... Basically, legally owned guns cannot be confiscated by federal officials.

---quote---
Amends the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act (Stafford Act) to prohibit any U.S. officer or employee, or person operating under color of federal law, under control of a federal official, or providing services to such person, while acting in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency, from: (1) seizing any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under federal or state law, other than for forfeiture in compliance with federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation; (2) requiring registration of any firearm for which registration is not required by federal or state law; (3) prohibiting possession of any firearm where such possession is not otherwise prohibited; or (4) prohibiting the carrying of a firearm by any person otherwise authorized to carry firearms, solely because such person is operating under the control of a federal agency in support of relief from a major disaster or emergency. Authorizes any individual aggrieved by a violation of this Act to seek relief by bringing an action for redress and by bringing a civil action in U.S. district court for return of a confiscated firearm.
---end quote---

I don't know whether the entire law is "good" but it seems at least section 557 is. But, it probably is still a good idea to be cautious....

Red herring?

If this signified a change in federal posture, then why are federal agents reportedly showing up at gun shows and buying all the ammo so attendees can't get any?

Excellent

The original post is excellent and all the replies I have enjoyed. What great foresight. Isn't public land - public? Aren't federal parks public land?

OK

I'll stick one up a tree too.

I actually envisioned keeping a gun in the house until FEMA came and confiscated it. Then I would go dig up a buried one and probably flee to my retreat.

Why bury anything????????

Especially a weapon where it would be hard to retrieve if needed on an immediate basis. It is so much easier to take a ladder and secure it on top of a tree limb where it is out of sight. With current camo paints available, it would be extremely difficult to find unless you knew it was there. Besides, I haven't seen any feds yet climb a tree with a metal detector.

Old Soviet Joke: Q: Why

Old Soviet Joke:

Q: Why does the Russian housewife pour motor oil in her flower beds?

A: To keep the guns from rusting.

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Good one!

Good one!

Love it!

Their humor helped them cope with their bleak existence under communism.

Funny

My Mother grew up in Ukraine. She then escaped communism to live in the states. She did tell me about a few things that were OK and few things that were terrible.

Here is some irony, I have been born and raised in the States. I then escaped DEMOCRACY (US version of communism) to live in the Dominican Republic. Maybe its in our blood. I dont need to tell you about things there.

Funny aint it.

I'm planning my own exodus to the third-world.

Want to buy, build, live in eastern Ecuador where the per-capita income is said to be $30/month. There's a socialist government but it's very small :-)

I just wish I had some of

I just wish I had some of the food, silver, guns etc to bury.. Iv sold EVERYTHING off just to survive this housing downturn! and at a loss!
good advice tho! :)

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

How about

burying metal objects along/under chain link fences or near junk car/machinery parts... I use a metal detector at work (surveying) and those darn things always seem to be right near what I'm trying to detect for control points!

See akak's comment below.

For guns, yes, but copper's signature is a better mask for silver and gold, and I'm guessing lead also.

How about

burying metal objects along/under chain link fences or near junk car/machinery parts... I use a metal detector at work (land surveying) and those darn things always seem to be right near what I'm trying to detect for control points!

luv2Bfree

My husband is a land surveyor in Ohio and wanted to know where you are from.

Oh

I'll help FEMA all right..... Down the stairs!

those scoundrels!

Thanks for the laugh and the uh, heads up...

thank you neocon comrade

we will gladly help Fema and all of its officials find the illegal food reserves that endanger our security and prosperity. Hail Emperor Bush
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Thanks for the comic relief

I apologize for my bad mouth. The problem is, I get very pissed when I think of such blatant tyranny existing that folks would have to bury goods to hide them from a confiscatory government. I don't think I'm willing to live in such an environment.

Wow! Thanks for the information!

Do you suppose informers might be able to get a nice big
cash "reward" for being so patriotic as to help the FEMA boys? Or maybe just some "special priviledges"?

Sure

Maybe they will let you keep your children.

Healthnut4freedom

"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6

sweet. if you bury metal

sweet.
if you bury metal deeper than about 4 feet, surely no metal detector would detect that?

this is kind of like terminator 2, with the big gun bunker in the desert. pretty cool.

Well a really smart outlaw

would bury the metal object very deep like 4 feet, then cover it over with 3 feet of dirt, and put an old metal tool, and metal cans and then cover with the rest of the dirt. I will bet Fema people are lazy, and figure they have found the metal. Too bad he would fool those nice Fema people.

Be careful with burying junk

Be careful with burying junk metal ---- a good metal detector can "discriminate" and tell the difference between the less conductive metals, such as iron, from the more conductive ones such as gold and silver, and "see" right through the junk.

I would use some old pieces of copper pipe as junk for this purpose --- it will register similarly to gold or silver, and throw them off the track.

Well gee thanks

that would be handy info for some outlaw.

That was all just

That was all just hypothetical, of course, and not to be actually implemented by good, law-abiding, "patriotic" Americans.

For godsakes akak,

is there anything you don't know about?

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

Good to know.

Now I know what the surging copper thievery is all about ;-)

Good info

never thought about the fiberglass tanks or pvc pipe.
-Thanks

Good for a hobbit home

:-)

Yeah All over that one.

Hey Mr. FEMA SS Trooper. I know a Neo-Con that is burying guns in his back yard behind his huge mansion on the golf course. Go dig behind his house.. =]

We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?