Citizens Call for Gas Price Cap/Government Encourages Trade-Ins of Gas Guzzling Autos
Germany
Chancellor Angela Merkel encouraged Germans to buy more fuel-efficient cars as a way to save energy. Yet as gas prices continue to climb, opposition leaders said that's not enough.
"We've got to use every chance we have to save energy," Merkel told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper in an interview published on Sunday, April 27.
Merkel, asked about rising energy and food prices, said that people need to think about various energy-saving measures including insulating buildings, using renewable energy, switching to energy-efficient appliances and buying cars that use less fuel.
"It's good for the climate and it's good for our wallet," Merkel said.
Call for price cap
Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Some have already made the switch to save on gas
As oil prices headed to record highs on Monday of nearly of nearly $120 (77 euros) per barrel, Germany's other parties called on Merkel's government to take concrete steps to reduce gas prices.
Politicians from the Social Democratic Party, Free Democratic Party and the Left Party said government intervention is needed to lower gas prices. SPD head Heiko Maas told the Bild am Sonntag newspaper that gas prices had reached the upper limit of what was reasonable and that it's time for the government to cap prices.
"The rip-off by energy companies must at last be stopped," Maas said. "I would call on the chancellor to immediately make it clear whether the coalition will limit fuel, heating and gas prices."
In Germany, consumers were paying 1.43 euros on Monday per liter of unleaded gas and about 1.36 per liter for diesel.
The FDP, a free-market liberal party, also called on the government to lower gas prices, but said it should be achieved through tax cuts. Two thirds of gas prices come from taxes, said party head Guido Westerwelle.
"The government is the biggest profiteer from energy costs," Westerwelle said.
Germans unlikely to slow down
Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: The EU wants strict CO2 standards
Merkel's government has not made any move to cap fuel prices. Nor has it been willing to tell Germany's notoriously speedy drivers to slow down. Merkel has refused to support speed limits which would improve fuel efficiency.
It's also unclear whether Germans will buy more fuel-efficient cars despite rising gas prices. Germans remain extremely proud of cars made by companies such as Audi, BMW, Mercedes and Porsche.
These cars are often less fuel efficient than French, Italian and Japanese models.
Merkel's support questioned
Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Biofuel continues to find support in Germany
Merkel's government has also been accused by environmental groups of backing down from earlier support for tough new European Union regulations to limit CO2 emissions. Merkel's government is concerned that the new measures will particularly harm German companies, which produce many of the luxury cars that will not meet new fuel efficiency standards.
Germany accepts the need for legal curbs on car emissions, but it wants all categories of cars to cut their emissions, German officials say. That would mean that smaller, cleaner vehicles produced by France and Italy that already meet the EU goal of 120 grams per kilometer would have to further reduce emissions. Germany has also called for a phase-in of the mandatory system, which is supposed to start in 2012.
Biodiesel issue not going away
Merkel also continues to come under heavy criticism for defending biofuels in the face of food shortages.
"I, like the chancellor, am very much in favor of maintaining the goals for biofuels," Agriculture Minister Horst Seehofer told the dpa news agency on Monday in Berlin.
The levels were set "on good grounds" and remain the right way to go, Seehofer said.
Greenpeace protested the government support for biofuels on Monday, holding signs that said "Bread Instead of Biofuel."
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Boy, those crooks are
good. A phony gas crisis creating a energy balloon. Banks make money on car loans, car makers put premium on smaller cars. Oh, yes there is money to be made and a sucker born every minute. Go ahead cap oil prices and watch the disappearing gas pumps around the country. This is going to be one long hot summer. Peace
Do you want to see REAL gas shortages?
Just put a cap on the price of gas.
This is ridiculous.
To cap the price of oil is absurd. Ron Paul is all about free market, and such action by the government would go against what we're all fighting for. Only a Democrat would go for this!
Should oil companies be subsidized? Absolutely not! But they should be allowed to make whatever profit the market allows. They take the risk, they should enjoy the reward.
Do any of you DP'ers disagree with this?
thanks,
'Dr.' BugMan
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
Unfortunately, the free market is absent in regards to Big Oil
The current state is more manipulated than market driven. Our government and other governments restrict the supply. Consider all the oil that can be reached that is available. Consider all the fuel blends necessary for the various states. Consider that we use our military to keep oil on the dollar. Consider all the inflation caused by our government and the banks (dollars in large part sent to oil companies).
A true free market would solve this but that is not to be.
Energy in general is not a free market. The risks/rewards and natural market forces are all fowled up. We could have more nuclear power on line but approval is needed and not coming. Besides the risks are not born by this industry. This mess we can lay directly at the feet of our elected officials for allowing all the shenanigans and markets distortions to take place.
Part of the risk ..
IMO, when it comes to discussing big oil, the "risk" that they take appears to mostly be the risk of getting caught.
Excuse my noticing but the commodity markets appear to be quite broken, what with rising inventories, falling demand and record rising prices its not much of a stretch to assume that someone is playing dirty ... and that said, one has to look first to the unfortunate entity that is getting filthy rich from the process to find a prime suspect.
Smoke and Mirrors
I dont mean to come off as harsh, but I am so sick of the Ignorance the abounds.
The only way this criminal enterprise called big oil "and it is criminal to the core" is to be stopped once and for all if to force a public criminal and broadcasted Investigation at the highest levels, overseen by the people at every step.
The truth of the oil on the north slope in Alaska alone would condemn big oil and Imprison many corprate heads for the remainder of their lives if not see them executed for high crimes and treason against the state.
We must rise up as a whole and create a grond up organization and demade fair and open proceedings with absolutly no compromise.
Pussyfooting around is no longer enough, direct active force if necessary must be used.
A coalition of local state governments recognizing the crimes against humanity and using their own local law enforcemnt and state guard to force legal proceding to the letter of the law is how the uprising will see its true start.
Mark my words the near future is grim for those who will fight for what is theirs, and grimmer still if we as a whole do nothing.
What crimes, exactly,
do Big Oil commit? Please be specific!
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
big oil is only half the problem...
they eliminated all the competition long ago (the way that was done is arguably criminal), then they funded environmental movements and got the best politicians money could buy on the payroll (the latter should be criminal but obviously isn't or everyone except RP would be in jail). now we have all kinds of government regulations that make it extremely difficult for a small company to tap or refine domestic oil (of which there is more than enough to supply our needs until cleaner/cheaper technologies like hydrogen are developed, we do not need foreign oil at all that's the real crime, people are dying for it and it's costing us trillions)... and even if a significant number of companies did start up and produce oil for say $30/bbl, the big boys would just drop their prices long enough to put them out of business again then crank them right back up (and of course government would again sit there bloated and useless). RP's writings on the subject clearly state the case for why a price floor is needed here in the USA, not a price cap...
It was a two-way street tho
It wasn't exactly ~big oil~ buying politicians. We needed a way to spread our inflation, is all. So we dropped off gold, spent who knows how much coupling Middle-Eastern oil to our fiat dollar, then away we went. We found a way to keep our dollar tied to something that not only the whole world needed, but something that we could regulate.
Big oil is only one side of a much larger equation, I fear.
you could say government is the other half...
of the problem, but it's the big-oil financeers that control government to their benefit, so it essentially falls back to them as being the root of the problem (simple greed)...
not exactly true..
both sides make out well... the government being able to prop up the dollar, oil being able to make a maximum profit on little return.
Big oil doesn't control the government... the government cannot just shut down big oil. It's a bit of an unholy alliance.. sort of like sugar and government.
Both sides bleed the common man dry however... so either way it doesn't help us.
The oil companies have a ton of dollars and years of being in bed with the government... I don't think at this point you and seperate them. Not without dumping the dollar and our economy.
So, I'm supposed to trade in my gas guzzler for a
car with better fuel efficiency. But then I'll have a monthly car payment. No thanks. I'll stick with my old gas guzzler.
I am boycotting gas all together.
As soon as the weather cooperates here I am riding bike everywhere.
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Price caps create shortages.
Price caps create shortages. The way that happens is when the cost to source the inventory is greater than the legal price limit. At that point it any businesses that continue selling the product will LOSE money - so they will no longer stock it (until the cost drops below the price cap limits or when the price caps are removed). Price caps sound good, but it could easily result in nothing being available if cost rises too much.
Price caps don't always create shortages.
Replying to john2k's post.
A fuel price cap at this time would not create a shortage if it were to be monitored,
In case you don't watch the new and understand it. Fuel companies were reporting record PROFITS. if a cap were to be set to keep this profit margin withing a reasonable range it wouldn't be nearly as bad for everyones pocket book.
There is NOT a reason fuel industry should show a RECORD PROFIT and the government allow it.
They show record profit's and government is releasing stimulus check so allot of us can barely survive.
I'm just waiting to see the fuel companies buy up all these new ethanol plants with the money they robbed us of.
Yes they do
In case you were unaware of this, we have to import over half our petroleum (and even drilling the ANWR would have trivial impact on this). Suppose you were a Nigerian or an Indonesian oil producer and you saw America putting a cap on the price of a barrel of oil. Wouldn't you sell your oil to China instead? Of course you would. No one would want to sell to us if other countries would pay more.
But, you say, I only want to put a cap on the price of gasoline, not on the oil it is produced from. Well, I have news for you. The crack spread is already negative (that is the difference between what refineries get for the gasoline they produce and the cost of the petroleum they need to make it). That means that refineries are already losing money on the gas they sell (which is why their stock prices are in the toilet right now). Cap the price of gas but not petroleum and they go bankrupt. Then you'll have a serious gasoline shortage.
Ron Paul's campaign is about freedom and that includes economic freedom. If you want a big intrusive government setting prices whenever somebody thinks they're too high (or too low) then vote for either of the socialists on the Democratic side.
Remember the good old days,
Remember the good old days, the energy crisis back in 1973? Ready to guess how much per barrel? $12.00 we are now at $120 a barrel.
and what happened as a result?
a change in day light savings time
a national maximum speed limit 55
car manufactures created a corporate manufacturers fuel economy
and bigs boats were replaced with economy cars
How have we reacted? WE KEEP BUYING GAS GUZZLING BIG SUVS.
You know what message we are sending? We have the money for gas, bring it on. All you SUV owners are sending a load message that you have disposable wealth and they can tap into it. As a nation we are not reacting as if this is a crises and by comparison to the 70's when you could only fuel up every other day, we are doing nothing to change our behavior. We are telling them the well is still full. You realize they will bleed us dry.
Sorry but guys with big
Sorry but guys with big trucks build things. We do it by hauling tools to this place or that and you cannot do that with a bicycle. Why do we need a big truck or SUV to build things? Practicality. Anybody that works out of a truck knows this and most other people discover that most everything that requires them to use their vehicle as a tool discovers that those big truck guys know what they're doing and those with excessive wealth don't wanna be left out. That's why we have luxury SUVs. Big trucks and SUVs are not something that will just go away. Before pointing fingers you might wanna consider who you're pointing that finger at. There is a great deal of us that simply have no choice. But that's just the way it is when you're part of the grease that keeps the machine running.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
You make a good point about
You make a good point about the SUV owners and their gas guzzling vehicles and disposable income, but riddle me this:
What are companies that do landscaping, brick laying, concrete, or anything else that requires a heavy duty vehicle supposed to do? They're already backed into a corner and have had to lay off many workers and cut pay or raise prices for fuel costs.
Also, think about this:
Many towns have populations that by far exceed the number of jobs in the locale.
Public transportation in most small to mid-sized towns is either non-existent or nowhere near adequate for accommodating work schedules.
In this town, it is at least ten miles to any of the surrounding areas where there is even a remote possibility of employment.
If you were to ride your bike at ten miles an hour, it'd take you an hour to get to work and surely by the time you got there you'd be drenched in sweat, tired, and barely have enough energy to put in your day's work. Then, on top of that you would have to ride your bike back home, another ten miles - another hour. What will the people do that are still at work when it gets dark?
I'm not saying we should all just suck it up and deal with it; we're just slightly nudged toward the lazy, "everyone else does it," "so what" mentality because there are very, very few options available to those of us who actually do (or did) care.
This made me think
Fortune Favors the Bold
the free market is not all about economic efficiency. Morality should come in to play too when making purchasing decisions.
There are areas of US Route
There are areas of US Route 95 which are 75 MPH max. Just figured I should mention that with regards to your max 55 speed limit.
umm
that was 1973. People changed their speed limit since then.
Ah... I thought by "result"
Ah... I thought by "result" that you were referring to what we ended up with in the here and now. Thanks for clarifying.
As consumers we have to demand
(by not purchasing gas guzzlers) better mpg vehicles. That said, it seems the manufacturers have a 'build it and they will come' kind of attitude. They continue to produce absolutley huge SUV's and Trucks as, there's more money to be made on those per unit.
It takes something like 3-4 years from design to production for a vehicle and, while I did see some nice up and coming (2010/2011 ish) vehicles at the auto show this year, if as a society we want more efficient offerings, we need to put our money where are mouths are. The neighbor just came home with a brand new Hummer....rolls eyes.
can anyone say hemp?
can anyone say hemp?
HEMP! and if we all say it,
HEMP!
and if we all say it, we might get somewhere.
http://www.hemp4fuel.com/
Fuel:
* Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America's energy needs. 1
* Hemp is Earth's number-one biomass resource; it is capable of producing 10 tons per acre in four months. 1
* Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol, or gasoline at a cost comparable to petroleum, and hemp is much better for the environment. Pyrolysis (charcoalizing), or biochemical composting are two methods of turning hemp into fuel.2
* Hemp can produce 10 times more methanol than corn.
* Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.
* The use of hemp fuel does not contribute to global warming.
Food:
* Hemp seed can be pressed into a nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.2
* The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is high quality protein seed cake. It can be sprouted (malted) or ground and baked into cakes, breads, and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete and available-to-the-body vegetable proteins. 2
* Hemp seed was the world's number one wild and domestic bird seed until the 1937 Marijuana prohibition law. Four million pounds of hemp seed for songbirds were sold at retail in the U.S. in 1937. Birds will pick hemp seeds out and eat them first from a pile of mixed seed. Birds in the wild live longer and breed more with hemp seed in their diet, using the oil for the feathers and their overall health. 2
Fiber:
* Hemp is the oldest cultivated fiber plant in the world.
* Low-THC fiber hemp varieties developed by the French and others have been available for over 20 years. It is impossible to get high from fiber hemp. Over 600,000 acres of hemp is grown worldwide with no drug misuse problem.
* One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.
* Trees cut down to make paper take 50 to 500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.
* Until 1883, from 75-90% of all paper in the world was made with cannabis hemp fiber including that for books, Bibles, maps, paper money, stocks and bonds, newspapers, etc. 2
* Hemp paper is longer lasting than wood pulp, stronger, acid-free, and chlorine free. (Chlorine is estimated to cause up to 10% of all Cancers.) 2
* Hemp paper can be recycled 7 times, wood pulp 4 times.
* If the hemp pulp paper process reported by the USDA in 1916, were legal today it would soon replace 70% of all wood paper products. 2
* Rag paper containing hemp fiber is the highest quality and longest lasting paper ever made. It can be torn when wet, but returns to its full strength when dry. Barring extreme conditions, rag paper remains stable for centuries. 2
* Hemp particle board may be up to 2 times stronger than wood particleboard and holds nails better.
* Hemp is softer, warmer, more water absorbent, has three times the tensile strength, and is many times more durable than cotton. Hemp production uses less chemicals than cotton. 2
* From 70-90% of all rope, twine, and cordage was made from hemp until 1937. 2
* A strong lustrous fiber; hemp withstands heat, mildew, insects, and is not damaged by light. Oil paintings on hemp and/or flax canvas have stayed in fine condition for centuries. 2
Medicine:
* Deaths from marijuana use: 0
* From 1842 through the 1880s, extremely strong marijuana (then known as cannabis extractums), hashish extracts, tinctures, and elixirs were routinely the second and third most-used medicines in America for humans (from birth through old age). These extracts were also used in veterinary medicine until the 1920s and longer. 2
* For at least 3,000 years prior to 1842 widely varying marijuana extracts (bud, leaves, roots, etc.) were the most commonly used real medicines in the world for the majority of mankind's illnesses. 2
* The U.S. Pharmacopoeia indicated cannabis should be used for treating such ailments as fatigue, fits of coughing, rheumatism, asthma, delirium tremens, migraine headaches, and the cramps and depressions associated with menstruation. 3
* In this century, cannabis research has demonstrated therapeutic value and complete safety in the treatment of many health problems including asthma, glaucoma, nausea, tumors, epilepsy, infection, stress, migraines, anorexia, depression, rheumatism, arthritis, and possibly herpes. 3
* Deaths from aspirin (U.S. per year): 180 - 1,000 +
* Deaths from legal drugs (U.S. per year) at doses used for prevention, diagnosis, or therapy: 106,000
Industry:
* Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp. There are more than 25,000 known uses for hemp.
* For thousands of years virtually all good paints and varnishes were made with hemp seed oil and/or linseed oil. 2
* Hemp stems are 80% hurds (pulp by-product after the hemp fiber is removed from the plant). Hemp hurds are 77% cellulose - a primary chemical feed stock (industrial raw material) used in the production of chemicals, plastics, and fibers. Depending on which U.S. agricultural report is correct, an acre of full grown hemp plants can sustainably provide from four to 50 or even 100 times the cellulose found in cornstalks, kenaf, or sugar cane (the planet's next highest annual cellulose plants). 2
* One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds. 2
* Heating and compressing plant fibers can create practical, inexpensive, fire-resistant construction materials with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities. These strong plant fiber construction materials could replace dry wall and wood paneling. William B. Conde of Conde's Redwood Lumber, Inc. near Eugene, Oregon, in conjunction with Washington State University (1991-1993), has demonstrated the superior strength, flexibility, and economy of hemp composite building materials compared to wood fiber, even as beams. 2
* Isochanvre, a rediscovered French building material made from hemp hurds mixed with lime petrifies into a mineral state and lasts for many centuries. Archeologists have found a bridge in the south of France from the Merovingian period (500-751 A.D.), built with this process. 2
* Hemp has been used throughout history for carpet backing. Hemp fiber has potential in the manufacture of strong, rot resistant carpeting - eliminating the poisonous fumes of burning synthetic materials in a house or commercial fire, along with allergic reactions associated with new synthetic carpeting. 2
* Plastic plumbing pipe (PVC pipes) can be manufactured using renewable hemp cellulose as the chemical feed stocks, replacing non-renewable coal or petroleum based chemical feed stocks. 2
* In 1941 Henry Ford built a plastic car made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. Hemp plastic is biodegradable, synthetic plastic is not.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
Henery Ford Did
And that was back in the 1920's
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