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"When I become President of these United States the NWO comes crashing Down!" Baldwin

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JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR!!! This is a Ron Paul forum!!! I am not going to support Pastor Baldwin unless The Party elite railroad the Good Dr. This is meant to draft RP into the Constitution Party ticket incase of a disaster with the GOP elitists
God forbid Dr Paul dosent get the GOP nomination THIS GUY IS OUR PLAN B
we will then draft Ron Paul to get the nomination and Baldwin to be VP

we need to be ready to counter any bad possibilities

Paul/Baldwin 08 is the best thing since Jefferson

this speech was given After defeating neocon alan Keyes for CP nomination
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I will write in Ron Paul, as I have said from the start

If Ron Paul tells me to support someone else, I will write in "Ron Paul." There is NOTHING that will get me to vote for a Pastor. Sorry, but I like my church and state much more separate than that.

That's a stroke of brilliance.....

"I will write in Ron Paul" is not a very brite idea considering that most likely (under the right circumstance, rather directly or indirectly) Paul WILL endorse "pastor" Baldwin......I'd bet on it..........
Baldwin is NOT trying to establish a church (god forbid).

The sad day may come when RP will not be an option. Casing your vote as a " Write In" , will only serve the purpose of making yourself feel better!! That's the sad, cold, hard fact of things.

Respect

I respect your decision -- especially as it means that you will join all of us in rejecting the current system of government by the Republicrats. We need to vote with our convictions, and if your convictions will not allow you to vote for anyone other than Ron Paul, I encourage you to stick to them. I will continue to pray for those of us fighting against lies and injustice and that the light of truth would shine down upon our nation to reveal lies and injustice for all to see.

Clarification

It should be pointed out again, and I believe that I can speak for most if not all supporters for Chuck Baldwin: Ron Paul is our first choice! Just as Chuck Baldwin himself prefers Ron Paul's candidacy and would willingly step aside should Ron Paul get the Republican nomination, I wholeheartedly support Ron Paul for President and continue to spread the message as I can.

However, it is good to promote a very solid backup plan who may very well be strong contender for VP on a Ron Paul ticket. Those who have listened to Chuck Baldwin know that his views are extremely close to those of Ron Paul. He is not LINO (Libertarian In Name Only), and he truly values the Constitution and civil liberties it protects. Especially in the face of people like Barr who are trying to steal attention away from Ron Paul (with the help of the corrupted mainstream media), we need to rally around and promote those who truly believe in Ron Paul's message of freedom.

Support Ron Paul first, but if he is unable to be on the ballot in November, consider Chuck Baldwin as a fantastic alternative.

He's not my plan B.

Happy for you though.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

Lisa, what is your plan b?

Lisa,
what is your plan b? I will vote for Chuck if I cannot vote for Ron Paul!
after RP the only other candidate worth voting for is Chuck Baldwin! PERIOD! at some point the libertarians, constitution party, and us Ron Paul republicans will have to concentrate our firepower! Chuck is the only choice.. I have no loyalty to the CP or the libertarians.. By far Chuck Baldwin is the next best choice behind Ron Paul!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

bumpity bump

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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our freedoms & wealth are in jeoprady"
Ron Paul

Every RP supporter I talk to here in SC

is behind Baldwin if RP does not win the nomination. We are holding out for the RNC in September but being that the CP is the preferred party before RP for most of us, we were more then excited and relieved that Baldwin is our man.

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WTF...

is with all of you people ready to give up and support someone else? I am going all the way to the convention, and if Dr. Paul doesn't get the nomination, I'm going to vote for O'Sama, Your Mama, O'Bama. Maybe then the GOP will get a clue, but I doubt it. Don't listen to $100 Mill a year Rush, he would love nothing more than HillBill to be elected, so that he can demand $200 Mill a year. Frankly, I'd like to kick his, and all of the other fraudulent conservatives' asses (Hannity, O'Reilly, etc, etc).

rush douchebag is a joke! i

rush douchebag is a joke! i hate the guy.. I chew on my dad everytime i hear him listen to that idiot! i'm with ya daddy!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Baldwin is the BEST 2nd option.

This gives us an answer to those that ask... WELL... Who will you vote for if Ron Paul is not on the ticket.... We can say Baldwin of the Constitution party. That gives us a REAL option and means we will NOT throw our votes away... if they counted anyway.

It can't hurt to help these people out. I am going to volunteer and see what they need. I know they have groups in NJ.

If RP doesn't get the GOP nod and if he doesn't have the will to go third party then we have our next choice. I have read Baldwin's articles and he makes a lot of sense.

Does this sound familiar?
http://constitutionparty....

I agree! Baldwin will have

I agree! Baldwin will have my vote... I want fresh blood not some recycled politician who pretends to be for liberty! BARR SUCKS!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

thnk you galactic

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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul

Stop saying "we".

You don't speak for me.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

or me

There is no "Plan B" or "second choice." I support Ron Paul, all the way. If he gets two votes in November, they will be Lisa's and mine.
Thanks to all who stuck by Ron through thick and thin. And to those who plan to thin out when things get thick, thanks for nothing.

True.

I was just giving a hypothetical though. Didn't mean to assume your support.

Peace

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

He sure speaks for me

He sure speaks for me though. Right with you, Chuck is my 2nd choice as well.

Reality Check, Dear Friends . . .

Without Baldwin and the Constitution Party, we will be stuck with McCain and probably Hillary.

Ron Paul has made it clear he is not going to run 3rd Party (I hope he changes his mind and gets endorsed by the Constitution Party and the LP, but I don't think he will.

This idea that the GOP Convention is going to turn to Ron Paul is being spread by disinfo artists -- for this will not happen unless their is a "St. Paul conversion" experience for about 90% of the GOP Delegates.

The Delegates have been already chosen from the local brain dead NeoCons. Wherever there were "elections" - the "hide the votes" computers made sure that Dr. Paul's delegates "lost" and that McCain's "won" -- whether this really happened or not in all places, we'll never know.

In the few places -- all Caucus states where we could see what was going on -- where the Ron Paul forces have rallied, the crooks running the GOP are planning to cheat us. It would literally take violence to enforce honest state conventions, that's how crooked these GOP thugs, like the despicable State Senator Bob Beers of Nevada, are.

(Beers adjourned the Nevada convention when it was clear that the Ron Paul forces were going to elect most of the delegates to the National Convention; he was escorted out by body guards, properly fearing that retaliation might come his way for the capital crime he had just committed.)

Although Baldwin will be an unknown Presidential candidate, unless he runs ads on the Big AM talk radio stations nationwide, at least I can vote for him in good conscience. I will never vote for McCain, Hillary, or Obama, all three of which are NeoCon stooges who will drag us into 50 years of war in the mideast and a police state here at home. I will not vote for the enemy.

By the way, Baldwin's comment, "When I become President of the United States the New World Order comes crashing down" -- is a direct word for word "plagiarism" from Pat Buchanan in 1996 and 2000. However, I'm sure neither Buchanan nor the Buchanan Brigades mind.

If Ron Paul doesn't go 3rd party, I'm voting for Chuch Baldwin.

Never give up

!!

So do what you've got to do.

I will write-in Ron Paul.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

Lisa C.

If RP endorsed Chuck Baldwin, would you vote for him then (just wondering).

I would listen to Ron and to his reasons for doing so

but, if you read my post below, probably not.

I am definitely interested to see how this plays out.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

Write Ins don't count if the Candidate hasn't signed a form

If Ron Paul doesn't decide to run 3rd Party, he will not sign the write in form required in every state.

Without Dr. Paul signing that form, the law says the state doesn't have to count any write ins for him -- and they won't.

So, I understand your desire to write in Dr. Paul, but it truly will be a tree falling in a forrest with no one to hear.

Chuck Baldwin votes will at least be counted unless he gets too many, and then we can count on computer "magic" to make him look like a long distance loser everywhere. Of course, the Constitution Party has not followed a strategy that would force themselves into the public mind, i.e., radio ads on the largest AM Talk radio stations, affordable, and reaching millions right in the middle of the Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity Shows. EXACTLY what Lew Moore and Kent Snyder did not do for Ron Paul, even though they were sitting on $30 miillion raised.

I understand that was taken care of a while ago.

Guess I'll find out for sure on the day.

I respect Chuck Baldwin as a person and as an American. I will not, however, vote for the Constitution Party.

The CP is a Christian party. I have nothing against this, however, it is my feeling that many in that group love the Constitution so much they'd like to add to it.

The late Harry Browne was just quoted in Lew Rockwell, "The Constitution recognizes only three federal crimes — treason, piracy, and counterfeiting. The federal government has no Constitutional authority to deal with any other crimes."

Unfortunately, I see the Constitution Party using patriotism as a guise to promote Christian morality. Like I have said many times here, I could respect the party if it just called itself the Christian Constitution Party but it chooses not to for whatever reason. Many other countries have Christian parties, why not the US?

I am not anti-Christian. I am not anti-morals. I am, however, against using the Constitution to promote morality for the "public good". If the people of a state choose to enforce morality via their state constitution, that is their choice. I can choose to live in a state that more closely reflects my beliefs.

Until I decide otherwise, I remain loyal to Ron Paul.

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Lisa C.

http://www.women4ronpaul....

Christianity and the Constitution Party

I am a Christian, but I too have wrestled with the sometimes overtly Christian message in the Constitution Party framework. Due to past bad experiences where the name of Christianity was misused, I have become wary when it enters the political sphere.

However, I have come to terms that the Constitution Party as it now stands is closer to the ideals I value than any other party. The Libertarian Party has become too anarchist in my mind, and their solidly pro-choice position runs completely against my convictions. As long as they true to their convictions of upholding the Constitution and protecting the rights of all individuals, I can and will support the Constitution Party. I have a lot of respect for Chuck Baldwin, and so I will support him if (and only if) Ron Paul does not get the nomination and is not on the ballot.

Chuck Baldwin seems as

Chuck Baldwin seems as though he will be an excellent choice for President. However, Ron Paul is still my first choice and I am loyal with my support for him. If Ron Paul does not continue in the Presidential race after the RNC I will very likely be supporting whichever candidate Ron Paul endorses - maybe that will be Baldwin.

Abso-

f*ckin-lutly! Behind you on that one 100%+

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The Delegate Rule Book for the RNC
Read It--Learn It--Know It! Don't let the GOP violate the rules.
Who knows you could learn a few tricks of your own.
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This would be a good post

This would be a good post ---- for the Daily Baldwin.

That's a lot like saying a

That's a lot like saying a post about Trevor Lyman belongs on DailyLyman.com.

SUPPORT OUR FOUNDERS' AMERICA
Support the Constitution of the United States

thnks for the bump akak

I truly Appreciate it

I know you mean sarcasm but it seems you didnt even read what I wrote
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul

Ron Paul

or Bust.

Why are people even distracting us with these wanna be's? First barr, then ruwart, now baldwin. Who do people think they are kidding? So, three candidates come and go and still Ron Paul fights on.

Get on the Ron Paul wagon and we'll run right over the GOP as seen in Nevada.

More than a wanna be...

See my earlier post for why I think Baldwin is a great candidate, and that this is great news for the Ron Paul campaign. You cannot compare Baldwin to Barr or Ruwart as he has been a staunch Ron Paul supporter for years, and he has actively campaigned for Ron Paul. Even in his acceptance speech, Baldwin mentioned Ron Paul several times in promoting bills that Ron Paul had introduced in the House. You cannot ask for a better friend than Baldwin, and he has already said he will step aside and fully support Ron Paul should he win the Republican nomination.

By all means, we need to continue to fight for Ron Paul, but take hope that he also is not alone in this fight.

yeah, okay a backstabbing friend

Who isn't for Ron Paul. Why hasn't the Libertarian Party and the Constitutionalist Party thought outside of the box and drafted Ron Paul first and put these other candidates as VP's? So what Ron Paul hasn't said he'll run 3rd party ever, if your parties are really going to help this revolution then draft Ron Paul. We'll all thank you 3rd parties if you just draft Ron Paul and forget about other candidates.

In a sense, they have

This is why Baldwin ran because Alan Keyes was going to run as a candidate for the Constitution Party and not endorse Ron Paul even if he got the nomination. Baldwin wants Ron Paul to be president just as badly as any of us, and I have no doubt he would be more than happy to let Ron Paul run for president in his place should that become necessary. Ron Paul has his own reasons for not running third party, and he may not even be willing to be "drafted". In this case, I like to know that we have a man like Baldwin who is just as committed to the core issues as Ron Paul that we can vote for if all else fails.

It is still my hope that Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination or even the Constitution Party, but it does not hurt to have a backup plan as well At this point in the election, it would political suicide for Ron Paul to accept a Constitution Party nomination when he is still working hard to reform the Republican party. That is a move that could forever burn bridges, and as you are saying it is premature to abandon Ron Paul (and it is), it would be just as premature to give up on the Republican nomination just yet. Baldwin's candidacy has simply kept the back door open -- both for a third party run for Ron Paul or a switch to Chuck Baldwin (with Ron Paul's endorsement).

If Ron Paul gets the GOp nomination I assure you

Baldwin will step down and the CP will put its weight behind Dr Paul.
I dont trust the LP party Im talking about the LP leadership not Libertarians or candidates. Their candidate is still running against Ron Paul in his district in Texas.
So much for the LP. But the CP FULLY SUPORTS THE GOOD Dr.

Baldwin tried to draft Ron Paul back in 2004. When the Good Dr. refused Baldwin had to go on the CP ticket VP slot
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul

Ballot Access

Right now the Constitution Party needs our help getting on the ballot.

If Dr Paul doesn't get the Republican nomination and he doesn't join the CP, then Baldwin is by far the closest one to Ron Paul as we can possibly ask for. He has been a major supporter of Dr Paul, and I think he deserves our support.

No. Not unless Ron Paul

No. Not unless Ron Paul would want us to vote 3rd party. It's too soon to think this way. This election is all about Ron Paul. It's only April 29th. A lot can happen before the election.

But it's agreed that Chuck Baldwin has been a great Ron Paul supporter. As far as I know he has never said one negative word about Ron Paul.

Ballot Access

He can't tell us to vote 3rd Party without being kicked out of the Republican Party. Although we might get a cryptic message from him.

As for having enough time to get the CP on the ballot, it depends on the rules in each state. Some may not have much time.

I realize that the CP may not be Plan B unless Dr Paul says so, but we may need to prepare. If the CP isn't on the ballot then Plan B may be DOA.

We should support Baldwin AND Ron Paul

Ron Paul has been and should continue to be our first choice. Even Baldwin himself has consistently pushed for Ron Paul to be president ahead of himself. It was only after Ron Paul refused to run under the Constitution Party that Baldwin joined the fray. He has also stated that if Ron Paul should get the Republican nomination, that he would step aside and endorse Ron Paul for president.

This is why we can support both candidacies. They are both promoting the same vision, the same philosophy, and the same solutions to our nations problems. If you listen to Baldwin's speech, it resonates strongly with the Ron Paul's message of ending the empire, limiting government, protecting liberties, and adopting sound monetary policies.

However, Baldwin is also able to reach people that Ron Paul often cannot like, for example, the evangelical, conservative Christians. For good for ill, Ron Paul's "baggage" of having run for the Libertarian Party and his positions on drugs (as well as some of his more interesting votes in congress) make him less palatable to many people. Believe me, I support and understand all of these positions, but in my conversations with my parents, these are huge stumbling blocks. I have seen this with many others as well who have, unfortunately, bought into the "kook" image of Ron Paul. Baldwin does not have this problem and so will be able to explain the same ideas and philosophies without having to overcome these obstacles.

Baldwin, being a pastor and professing freely his faith, also speaks their language and can talk on a more Biblically grounded playing field. Those of you who are not Christians don't really understand this, but when you are able to use the Bible to show the validity of your political positions, it adds a great deal of weight to the arguments. Baldwin can demonstrate that not only is Ron Paul not talking against scripture, but that scripture actually supports his views.

By supporting both campaigns, each campaign also supports the other, so that no matter which candidate finally takes the final push for the office, the supporters of both campaigns and come together and fight for the common goal. Either man will get us where we want to be.

I want to make a quick note concerning religion. I have seen comments concerned about the overtly Christian statements by Baldwin and attacking them at their face value. It is not religion that you should fear; rather, it the perversion of religion -- hypocrisy, pride, distortion, and abuse -- that you should fear. Baldwin's faith led him to embrace Ron Paul's ideas just as Ron Paul's faith led him to his philosophy, his world view. Unlike most politicians who use religion as a means to pander for political gain, Ron Paul and Baldwin use religion as a foundation on which they make every decision they make. For them, it is deeply and profoundly person. It shapes who they are, what they do, and how they think. While others may debate the political merits of promoting life, they believe strongly in the sanctity -- the deep appreciation and respect -- of all human life. It is therefore a core issue to them, not a political card to be played for votes.

The same goes for personal liberty. They believe that we are all created in the image of God. This means that we are all equal. There are no "elite". There is no room for a ruling class to tell others what to do. We all stand as equals before God and carry the responsibilities that come with such great freedom.

Keep in mind that every single one of us is religious. After all, what is religion: "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" (dictionary.com). We all have a world view that shapes who we are and helps us to make decisions in our daily life. This world view is your religion.

I encourage you to take a good look at Baldwin. Does his religion (world view) match up with his actions? Has he not consistently stuck out his neck for Ron Paul and eloquently defended the same positions and philosophy? Has he not promoted the liberties of all Americans, both Christian and non?

Don't shun someone who claims the name of Christ and lives according to its principles. Shun those who call themselves Christian but instead work to enslave others with lies and deceit.

So simple. So true. So perfectly put.

"Baldwin's faith led him to embrace Ron Paul's ideas just as Ron Paul's faith led him to his philosophy, his world view. Unlike most politicians who use religion as a means to pander for political gain, Ron Paul and Baldwin use religion as a foundation on which they make every decision they make."

How could anyone find fault with this? It is the basis upon which our nation was founded.....Our Constitution.

Wait...

You say this nation was founded on religion? I think you mean it was founded on freedom of religion, right?

Baldwins take on freedom of religion

http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul

Yes You are correct.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Also from our founders:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

khomar correction

Actually Baldwin wasnt going to run. He seemed like he didnt want to run because Dr Paul is still running. But he was forced to run when it was clear Alan Keyes may become the nominee and change the party's non-interventionist platform and its scorn for the UN and other Globalist entities

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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul

Even better

I wondered about that, but I hadn't heard all of the details. Thanks for clearing that up.

This makes an even stronger case for Baldwin. He does not want to run against Ron Paul as he has been a vocal and hard working supporter of Ron Paul for years. He really is the perfect man to be in a plan B position in this race. Should Ron Paul manage to secure a Republican nomination, we are virtually guaranteed the support of Baldwin and the Constitution Party, and if not, Baldwin would be an excellent candidate in his own right.

Quite honestly, I am very excited about our nation's future right now as we are taking strong, strategic positions against the establishment. The battle lines are being set quite well to give us a good shot at winning this war.

I agree. Good post.

Very good. I like Baldwin.

one fucking huge

one fucking huge word

WRITE-IN

some of us dont have write ins in their states

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"let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeoprady"

Congressman Ron Paul