Anyone Seen This About FREE Energy?
Posted May 1st, 2008 by V1-P
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As people prepare for shortages, I was curious if anyone saw this video and if they know anything more about it?
http://video.google.com/v...
The video is about 22 minutes and you have to wait till near the end before you get substantial information. They fall short on telling how to be a test site.
Also, anyone know of people who have run their car on pure water or almost pure water where it really worked?
Thanks for any input on both these issues.
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...and i bet there's
...and i bet there's conflict between those that want decentralization of the power grid for all and those that want it for themselves...
I've watched many videos one energy and it's a lot like UFO videos. There is no substantial proof that can be had online. My best friends super hero is Nicholi Tesla and I gotta hear this stuff on a pretty regular basis. This video is almost 2 years old so why haven't we herd more about it? Other that the suits don't want you to know about it.
I catch Jay Leno's column from time to time and recall him sighting that when water is turned to steam there is a 500/1 expansion ratio or something to that effect. At the height of steams popularity materials used for producing steam engines were stone age by comparison to todays high-tech materials. If you can adequately insulate and encapsulate a steam engine using modern technology I believe steam could make a come back. Here, you're not using fuel for it's combustible energy output, but rather it's thermal energy output. With todays advancements on fuel combustion from fuel combinations like propane injection for diesel and fuel vaporizers what have you. If you have the time recourses it would be a fun project. One project I'll be working on this summer for camping is a steam generator for open fire pits.
Someday, there will be solar cells that are clear transparent and can be sprayed on in liquid form, and applied to any surface like paint.
"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
akak, are you in here?
Where is that chowder maker?
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Yes, Lisa, I am here, in the
Yes, Lisa, I am here, in the buff after a crappy, crappy day. Didn't wirite down the recipes yet --- can you give me another day? Sorry to keep you hanging, so to speak.
Me too...for recipes
Dip and Chowder... I had to chase you down our last chat was on the boyfriend thread this morning.
Peg --- I sent you the dip
Peg --- I sent you the dip recipe also. Let me know how you like it!
Lisa & Alan
Thank you!
Peg -- email me via my website for dip recipe.
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I really didn't need to know about the buff thing.
Especially since I have not decided on your lustiness. I could find you hot or you might make me vomit -- left for another day.
No hurry on the chowder -- the dip though might have come in handy tonight.
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Lisa C.
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OK, the dip is not too
OK, the dip is not too complicated, I can give you that one now if you want it.
Go for it.
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Lisa C.
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Thanks akak.
Will give it a go this weekend.
By the way, my husband is sitting next to me on his computer and is not thrilled that I'm getting dip from a naked Alaskan.
That's life though, right?
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Don't worry --- I don't have
Don't worry --- I don't have a camera on my computer. Yet.
Let's just keep your "Liberty Bells" to yourself, okay?
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Unlike the original, they
Unlike the original, they are rock-solid and fully functional, without a trace of cracks! (But they probably don't get touched by quite as many tourists!)
WHOA!!!
Too much information doesn't even come close to what I'm thinking.
:-b
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Lisa C.
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LOL!!!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!
Lisa, I just emailed you the
Lisa, I just emailed you the dip recipe --- it's actually quite basic, but what makes it or breaks it is the quality of the smoked salmon that you use; heavily smoked salmon is much better here.
Would you please forward it on to PegArizona? I sent it through to your website, and now don't have a copy.
Sure
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all ordered systems
Fortune Favors the Bold
exist at the expense of...
Hydrogen Gasifier
More BTU's produced than BTU's put in to produce. Internal combustion engines were run on this before gasoline. Because there were no gas stations originally
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You MUST see this ...Who killed the Electric Car
Who killed the electric car will piss you off to no end. Watch it in parts on youtube or find it elsewhere. We had perfectly working electrics already made and performing awesome and that was before the last 10 years of incredible advances in batteries, Do yourself a favor watch "Who killed the electric car" if you wish to be informed on this subject
I watched it on a flight.
Fascism in action.
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AKAK is correct.
As a primary source, there will be many solutions. Solar, Wind, hydro, oil, nuclear fision, and maybe one day fusion.
In a car, the idea winning the race and will probably win is electric.
I am actually developing a business model that will eliminate the need for a global power grid. We are currently developing a device that will make this possible.
It has a completely unique fuel source, 100% zero emissions, but is typically only known within the energy circles. This fuel source will still have to be refined and recycled using one of the primary sources listed above.
Rhino, what is your opinion
Rhino, what is your opinion on "cold fusion"? And are you familiar with "focus pulse fusion"?
Akak
Cold fusion, does it have something to do with using hydrogen isotopes? Vaguely. I've read about focus pulse, I am shocked how much energy they are about to store and release instantaneously. Wan't it something like the same amount of energy that the earth's grid currently gererates over a 2 week period?
My expertise is mechanical and industrial engineering, but I try to stay up on all the developing technologies.
Yes, Rhino, I was referring
Yes, Rhino, I was referring to the Fleischman/Pons style of "cold fusion" through the use of deuterium oxide and palladium electrodes, as first announced in 1989. From all that I have read, research is still ongoing despite fierce opposition and prejudice from the scientific establishment (NEVER believe that "scientists" cannot be biased and dogmatic!), although consistent reproducibility has been elusive. SOMETHING odd is happening, at least sporadically, and I would think that BILLIONS would have been poured into this research, but no.
Used state funding for my start-up
Never do it again.
12 months after getting funding I got my check.
At least they let me have the funds up front.
If you can't get private funding, its a bad idea.
I've bootstrapped ever since.
Joining a new angel group here in town so noone has to go through what I had to.
Enough cash around now that Gov. should just get out of the way.
So how do you retain control
when you get outside investments for a significant part of the startup costs? I've exhausted every method I can think of and I have an incredible business model. I just have to have that 100% guarantee that it can't be taken away from me. A friend of mine lost his mowing mfg company by coup after they ganged up and voted him out after only4-5 years. Breakup - selloff - skip town.
more
More information on new energy at this scientist web site http://earthpulse.com/src...
Akak has used a bit of
Akak has used a bit of sophistry to fool some of you. Whether intentional or not I don't know. But his argument has been consistently that it takes equal or more energy in to produce energy out (hydrogen) from water therefore it is not a viable fuel and never will be in this universe according to him, when in fact it has been a viable fuel for nearly a hundred years.
Let’s take his argument and apply it to gasoline. Gasoline takes more energy in to produce then it produces going out using Akaks argument yet it drives the world.
The point he is missing or using sophistry to avoid (I don’t know which) is that it doesn’t matter if that is the case what matters is if we can manage the production efficiently enough to make it viable.
For instance If I can pick up scrap aluminum or other metals for free or very cheap and use it make a enough hydrogen cheaper then I can buy over priced gasoline then it becomes viable. Also as for splitting the molecules on the car my understanding (have no first hand knowledge if this is how it works) is that the electricity used is excess or wasted on the car anyway so if it indeed can be used to do so then it becomes viable.
I do agree with AK on one thing and that is there are no free lunches. However that does not mean there are no viable cheap clean sources of fuel. Search you tube for producer gas video and there will find hydrogen being made with less energy then is being outputted.
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The aluminum idea will of
The aluminum idea will of course only work for you personally, and I doubt you could even make it work in practice. You can hardly call that a solid way of energy producing if you alone are hogging all the scrap aluminum for a certain area. Buying it is even less effective, since it has to be mined and extracted which is a very high energy process in the case of aluminum which drive up the price.
The only real way of getting "free" energy is doing what the earth is doing, use something outside the earth: the sun. This by way of solar panels, wind (caused by temperature differences), or even algae as biomass to burn or genetically modified algae that produces hydrogen for example. Another way is make use of the tide, which is also caused by an external energy upon the earth.
You should read more
You should read more carefully I said nothing about free energy, and aluminum is just one example I said "other metals" too. In fact Hydrogen can be extracted from just about anything. There is no such thing as "free energy" it always take labor and resources to collect/extract/process soc called free energy. Argue with what I said not with what I did not say.
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I was merely referring to
I was merely referring to the effectiveness of your example, the second paragraph was more of a general addition to this thread.
Hawkiye, I never said or
Hawkiye, I never said or implied that hydrogen could never be used as a fuel --- I expect that someday it very well may. The point is, and this is a VERY key point, that hydrogen will never be, and can never be, a SOURCE of energy, at least on earth. Thermodynamics and physical laws dictate that one will always have to expend more energy to produce the hydrogen than the combustion of it will yield.
Now, if we had a pool of free (elemental) hydrogen on earth, that would be a different story, but we don't (or the atmosphere would have blown up with the very first lightning bolt!). All we have is water for a source of hydrogen, and basic thermodynamics tells you that splitting water molecules to yield oxygen and hydrogen, and then burning those gases to release energy, is a net energy sink --- the whole cycle sucks up more energy than it produces.
Again, none of this is my opinion, or can be changed by any sort of technology, however advanced. It's fundamental to the laws of physics.
You have no idea what your
You have no idea what your talking about. Hydrogen has been used for fuel on earth for nearly a hundred years. Hydrogen can be extracted from damn near anything like wood tree bark etc. not just water. Farmers were using hydrogen called producer gas a hundred years go. People are doing it again today. I suggest you do some actual research instead of thinking you learned everything you need to know in school or college. If you continue with this same line of BS Like it never will be in this universe then you look more and more like just another Oil company shill.
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
Hawkiye, I happen to know
Hawkiye, I happen to know precisely what I am talking about. You CANNOT produce more energy from burning hydrogen than you expended in the process of extracting it. It's impossible, impossible, impossible. And if you think you can, then you are not accounting for all the chemical steps along the way. What you are describing is just a version of perpetual motion/perpetual energy, which anyone with any education in the physical sciences knows is pure bunk --- it does not exist because it cannot exist. It is not a question of technology, but basic physical laws --- or are you saying that you have overturned the Laws of Thermodynamics? After having stood for 150 years, I think they are still quite safe.
Yes, I repeat (tell me how I can make you understand this): Hydrogen can be used as a fuel, but it can NOT be a source of energy, short of using it in nuclear fusion. But what do I know, I'm just a chemist.
You just look more and more
I did not mention or describe anything like perpetual motion. Ah fuel is defined as a source of energy are you trying to say it's not? Define fuel if it's not a source of energy.
You just look more and more foolish tooting your own horn about all your supposed credentials. I just posted a link to a video at the top proving you wrong. The guys who did that video have far more credentials then you plus they have the experience and working cars, projects and engines that prove it.
Internal combustion engines were running on hydrogen a hundred years ago. So please stop embarrassing yourself.
When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-- Jonathan Swift,
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
Hawkiye, perhaps my fault
Hawkiye, perhaps my fault here --- I should have been saying "PRIMARY source of energy",. meaning something or some process from which a net positive amount of energy can be extracted.
For example, electrical batteries can act as a "fuel" for a vehicle, but since they do not exist in nature, but have to be made and charged-up first, they are not a primary energy source ---- you can only take out what you first put in (less, in practice).
Hydrogen can be and is a fuel, but it can not be a primary energy source, because like batteries, it always takes more energy to liberate than you get back by burning it. It is in essence a chemical "battery", or means of energy storage. But without a source of gaseous hydrogen on earth, the only way to get it is to liberate it from water or some other source, which must take a minimum amount of energy according to the laws of thermodynamics.
If we had pockets of hydrogen gas under the ground here on earth, then yes, hydrogen could be both a fuel and a primary energy source. But we don't.
Hawkiye, Let Me Say
Hawkiye, Let Me Say This Very Slowly Because You Are Just Not Getting It.
You need to understand the difference between a fuel and a primaryenergy source. Gasoline is (currently) both a fuel and a primary energy source --- we get more energy out of it than is put into the drilling, refining, and transporting of petroleum. Now the Germans during WWII made synthetic gasoline, from coal. This synthetic gasoline was a fuel as well, but NOT an energy source, because it took much more energy to create than it gave in combustion --- but they needed it to run their war machine, so they made it anyway.
You refuse to see that I have never claimed that hydrogen can be used as a fuel --- of course it can. Anything that will combust can. But it is NOT a (primary) energy SOURCE, because you will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS need more energy to liberate it than you will get by combusting it. Always.
Apparently you don't like or accept the laws of physics. Well, that's your problem, but no YouTube video is going to convince me that some garage tinkerer has learned how to circumvent them in violation of all the scientific discoveries ever made. Technology has its limits, which are the laws of physics.
Your the one that doesn't
Your the one that doesn't get it the nut was cracked a hundred years ago. Just cause they didn't teach you that in science class doesn't mean it isn't true... We can get more energy out of hydrogen then we put into it. Hydrogen is in damn near everything. I posted a link near the top proving it now shut up and do some research because I am done posting on this thread. And tired of listening to your ignorance.
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. - Calvin Coolidge
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
Hawkiye, by making your
Hawkiye, by making your claim that "We can get more energy out of hydrogen then we put into it", you are just demonstrating your complete scientific ignorance. You are as wrong as wrong can be. I thought I could enlighten you on a subject about which you are clearly misinformed, but I am not going to waste any further time on this pointless argument --- I might as well be arguing with somebody who claims the earth is flat.
LOL! shuddup...Watch the
LOL! shuddup...Watch the link idiot
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
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Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death. Patrick Henry
I watched the link...
and I still think you don't get it.
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Please visit and have a nice day.
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One more mechanical engineer
with a basic understanding of the physics at work who knows that this is NOT the solution to our energy problems.
Reno
has buses that have run off water for twenty years now.
Just because you don't know about something, doesn't make it untrue.
Yes
Yes if we could get the oil company's lobbiest out of the way and their former employee's (now on the government payroll) out of the way we could reduce the cost of oil and use alternate energy. Look at this truck it runs without gas. http://video.google.com/v...
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