Incase anyone is still interested .....McCain still doesn't have enough delegates - here are the numbers

primaries gonna play out. I'd bet there would be a HUGE IMPACT on Dr. Paul's placing...

Our Republican Party nominated the wrong man back in 1976... let's not make that mistake again. We need Ron Paul in the White House!!!

My turn to bump.

I am also not in a straight jacket yet.

Dr. Steve Parent

jdayh wrote that the following remaining delegates are to be alloted:

Indiana - May 6 - 27 bound and 30 unbound
North Carolina - May 6 - 69 bound
Nebraska - May 13 - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Kentucky - May 20 - 45 bound
Oregon - May 20 - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - May 27 - 26 bound and 6 unbound
South Dakota - June 3 - 24 bound and 3 unbound
New Mexico - June 3 - 29 bound and 3 unbound

In SD, Ron must win at least 20% of the popular vote in order to will win any of the bound delegates on a basis proportional to the popular vote; i.e., none if he doesn't hit that 20%.

What other states employ similar thresholds?

Is there any difference between a "pledged" delegate and a "bound" delegate?

I thought there was, but I easily could be wrong.

As you know by now, Ron Paul CAN still win the Republican nomination for President. Ron Paul will likely have at least 1/4 of the delegates at the Republican National Convention ready to throw their unpledged votes to him if it gets to a second vote.

Out of all the delegates heading for the Republican National Convention:

- 471 delegates are bound all the way through the entire convention (which means they can only vote for whomever won the popular vote in their state); however, 14 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot only. These guys have to follow the results of their state election on the first ballot only. After that, if there is not a majority, they are free to vote as they please. If McCain doesn't get over 50% on the first ballot, these guys all go into play after the first vote (however, 156 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out, and 5 of these are already bound to Ron Paul).
- 455 will be bound through two ballots, and then they are free to vote as they please (however, 135 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out, and 5 of these are already bound to Ron Paul).
- 246 will be bound through three ballots, and then they are free to vote as they please (however, 16 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out).
- 463 are unbound all the way through the entire convention.
- 126 are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being Party Delegates (State Chairmen, State Committeemen, State Committeewomen).

All of this means that: (1) there are 910 unbound delegates available from the first ballot (plus another 10 delegates are bound to Ron Paul); (2) if McCain can be held to less than 1191 votes on the first ballot, there will be 1319 unbound delegates available for the second vote - that is, a majority of delegates will be unbound (plus another 5 delegates are bound to Ron Paul). Should a third ballot be necessary, there will be 1639 unbound delegates available (and 1869 available should further ballots be necessary).

It only takes a majority of the delegations from as few as five states supporting a presidential candidate to force a floor vote on that candidate (see Rule No. 40b at http://www.gop.com/About/...). If there are 1191 Ron Paul supporters voting as unbound delegates at the Republican National Convention, Ron Paul can win the GOP nomination - IF it gets to a second or third vote. (Please Note: We are NOT encouraging bound delegates to disregard party rules or state laws in who they can vote for, and for how many votes.)

According to the most accurate record of how delegates are assigned at http://www.thegreenpapers... , as of April 28th, McCain has 1067 bound or pledged delegates. He STILL needs 124 bound delegates to reach 1191 bound delegates and "sew it up" before the convention. (NOTE: In fact, McCain's "Hard count" of pledged delegates, "the preference as originally assigned," [http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-HS.phtml ], is still only 823, leaving an additional 368 "hard" bound delegates to go.)

Of the remaining states, here's the breakdown:

Indiana - May 6 - 27 bound and 30 unbound
North Carolina - May 6 - 69 bound
Nebraska - May 13 - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Kentucky - May 20 - 45 bound
Oregon - May 20 - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - May 27 - 26 bound and 6 unbound
South Dakota - June 3 - 24 bound and 3 unbound
New Mexico - June 3 - 29 bound and 3 unbound

So McCain still needs at least 124 more bound delegates to reach 1191, out of the 274 left. As we know, Ron Paul supporters have gotten very involved in the actual delegate selection process (not the primary and caucus votes, but the precinct, county, district and state conventions where delegates are selected to go to the RNC). They've quickly learned the ropes and rules of the process, and have reportedly gained sizeable minorities, if not outright majorities, in delegations from districts and states across the country. (Long-time Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini believes that the number of Ron Paul supporters attending the convention as delegates may be as high as 20-30%; the best estimate is that at a minimum there will be at least 500 there.)

As you know by now, Ron Paul CAN still win the Republican nomination for President. Ron Paul will likely have at least 1/4 of the delegates at the Republican National Convention ready to throw their unpledged votes to him if it gets to a second vote.

Out of all the delegates heading for the Republican National Convention:

- 471 delegates are bound all the way through the entire convention (which means they can only vote for whomever won the popular vote in their state); however, 14 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out.
- 565 delegates will be bound through one ballot only. These guys have to follow the results of their state election on the first ballot only. After that, if there is not a majority, they are free to vote as they please. If McCain doesn't get over 50% on the first ballot, these guys all go into play after the first vote (however, 156 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out, and 5 of these are already bound to Ron Paul).
- 455 will be bound through two ballots, and then they are free to vote as they please (however, 135 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out, and 5 of these are already bound to Ron Paul).
- 246 will be bound through three ballots, and then they are free to vote as they please (however, 16 of these are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being bound to candidates who have dropped out).
- 463 are unbound all the way through the entire convention.
- 126 are unbound all the way through the entire convention due to being Party Delegates (State Chairmen, State Committeemen, State Committeewomen).

All of this means that: (1) there are 910 unbound delegates available from the first ballot (plus another 10 delegates are bound to Ron Paul); (2) if McCain can be held to less than 1191 votes on the first ballot, there will be 1319 unbound delegates available for the second vote - that is, a majority of delegates will be unbound (plus another 5 delegates are bound to Ron Paul). Should a third ballot be necessary, there will be 1639 unbound delegates available (and 1869 available should further ballots be necessary).

It only takes a majority of the delegations from as few as five states supporting a presidential candidate to force a floor vote on that candidate (see Rule No. 40b at http://www.gop.com/About/...). If there are 1191 Ron Paul supporters voting as unbound delegates at the Republican National Convention, Ron Paul can win the GOP nomination - IF it gets to a second or third vote. (Please Note: We are NOT encouraging bound delegates to disregard party rules or state laws in who they can vote for, and for how many votes.)

According to the most accurate record of how delegates are assigned at http://www.thegreenpapers... , as of April 28th, McCain has 1067 bound or pledged delegates. He STILL needs 124 bound delegates to reach 1191 bound delegates and "sew it up" before the convention. (NOTE: In fact, McCain's "Hard count" of pledged delegates, "the preference as originally assigned," [http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/R-HS.phtml ], is still only 823, leaving an additional 368 "hard" bound delegates to go.)

Of the remaining states, here's the breakdown:

Indiana - May 6 - 27 bound and 30 unbound
North Carolina - May 6 - 69 bound
Nebraska - May 13 - 30 bound and 3 unbound
Kentucky - May 20 - 45 bound
Oregon - May 20 - 27 bound and 3 unbound
Idaho - May 27 - 26 bound and 6 unbound
South Dakota - June 3 - 24 bound and 3 unbound
New Mexico - June 3 - 29 bound and 3 unbound

So McCain still needs at least 124 more bound delegates to reach 1191, out of the 274 left. As we know, Ron Paul supporters have gotten very involved in the actual delegate selection process (not the primary and caucus votes, but the precinct, county, district and state conventions where delegates are selected to go to the RNC). They've quickly learned the ropes and rules of the process, and have reportedly gained sizeable minorities, if not outright majorities, in delegations from districts and states across the country. (Long-time Republican strategist Patrick Ruffini believes that the number of Ron Paul supporters attending the convention as delegates may be as high as 20-30%; the best estimate is that at a minimum there will be at least 500 there.)

McCain is the 'presumptive' nominee. Well, poo on that. I say Ron Paul is the 'presumptive' GOP nominee, and I will continue this presumption until I am proven wrong.

Spread the word!

Ron Paul is the presumptive Republican presidential nominee!

Congratulations, Ron! Not sure what for, but congrats anyway! Tell me, has Ron begun the VP selection process? He'd better get on it, because he's all but crowned as far as I'm concerned!! I never hear about delegates that are excited about McCain. I wonder how they figure on getting anybody to vote for this train wreck once they are unbound? I just don't see it.

Win those state conventions!!

On to the White House!!

On liberty!!!

'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'

I simply never cease to be astounded at the gullibility and outright denial of reality so many Americans are willing to engage in, just because "They" on TV say it is so! Pretty soon Coyote Blitzkrieg and Billow Wryly will start telling us the sky is orange, and 90% out there will accept it unquestioningly. We truly live in an insane aslyum of a world.

Isn't it just a "conspiracy theory" that McCCCP doesn't have enough delegates? After all, my telescreen tells me day in and day out that McCCCP is the Republican nominee.

What's that you say? My beloved telescreen doesn't always give me the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Schnikey.

"If we want to live in free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul

Fortune Favors the Bold

still isn't totall accurate. We can unbind some of those delegates still.

This information and link might be a very good one to pass on to everyone in your address book....with a request for each person to pass it on to friends and family.

IT'S DOABLE

Is 1067 McCains final number until a vote in September?

You know, for years everyone I knew thought that their delegates were decided by popular vote. In fact, my father, a die-hard Republican, was suprised when I informed him that all 88 of Ohio's delegates are un-bound. And he was even more shocked when I showed him how delegates were being decided well AFTER the popular vote had already been tallied.

It's odd to see McCain's campaign complain that we are breaking the rules and causing problems when, in fact, McCain is the one that has broken capaign finance rules and Ron Paul's supporters are following the letter of the law in this delegate selection process. MSM is still trying to spin that Ron Paul supporters are trying to steal the GOP delegate, but we are just trying to play by their own rules. The only thief I know is good old McCain.

Givemeliberty you and i have been saying that for months.

I still have people on a daily basis that call for me to be put in a straight jacket or that i am an idiot when i try to explain it to them.

At least many people have woken up to the truth of how someone becomes the nominee.

Dr. Steve Parent