Anyone notice a pattern here with the trolls?
Has anyone else here noticed the pattern over the last few months with the obvious trolls/disinformation/dissension agents and the level of their activity on the Daily Paul?
First, they popped up vigorously right around the time of the New Hampshire primary. Then again, heated troll attacks just before and during the Super Tuesday primaries. Now again, after the unexpected success of the Nevada state GOP convention and the possibility of growing Ron Paul support among other states' GOP delegates, another wave of heated attacks and trolling?
It seems every time we demonstrate a real threat to the power of the Establishment, the trolls come out in droves. Just a coincidence?
And their latest tactic, sadly, is the most effective yet: Don't attack Ron Paul and the pro-liberty message directly, just spread division and dissension, and let us tear ourselves apart over Creationism vs. Evolution, Chemtrails vs. No Chemtrails, and 9/11 Truth vs. Conspiracy Theories. Yep, their tactics are slick, and have improved.
The troll named "SteveU" is aperfect example of this tactic in action, vehemently spreading his hate- and division-filled anti-9/11 Truth message of "Exterminate 9/11 Truthers" (and for the record, I am NOT a "9/11 Truther", being an agnostic on the whole subject).
Beware of those spreading dissension among us! We need to FOCUS on why we are here, and stop attacking each other! That is EXACTLY what they want!
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I agree and they are running scared
Ron Paul's campaign is a real threat or the trolls wouldn't be coming here to try to divide. Let the threads die.
I also wish everyone would just shut up about 9-11 and the chem trails. There's more than enough easily proven evil government goings-ons without adding the unproven theories that make for "nutcase" stereotyping. Stop associating it with the campaign and the supporters.
sooo true
there are so many positive things we KNOW Ron Paul stands for- we should talk about those. If you want a 911 investigation youre NOT going to get it from the other 3 so leave it alone until after the election and if Ron Paul wins and theres STILL no investigation, at least youll have enough freedom to investigate for yourself. The people who beleive 911 was fishy are some of the best Americans there are. They want a little truth and justice to go with the American way. Its just better to vent on one of the million 9/11 truth sites...get it out and then come back to DP and talk delegates and stuff : ))
Good point, Blackmira!
Good point, Blackmira! Indeed, the government is so obviously screwing us in a a thousand different ways already, do we really need to debate the less obvious ways in which they may or may not be doing it as well?
It Frosts my Cookies
to think that my tax dollars may be paying these agent provacateurs of the internet!
It just boils their troll blood too each passing day
when its more and more obvious that current events validate all of Ron Pauls positions on the economy, the war(s), indivudual liberties and freedoms etc etc youd think at some point theyd wake up one morning and say "oh sh*t- what am I doing...we DO need to get this guy elected".
Yep!What unit us is
Yep!
What unit us is Freedom!
What unit them is War!
What? You don't have an account in any McInsane Forum?
Don't we want to use their tactics against them? We should go over from time to time and instead of misinforming and trying to divide like they are trying to, let's just INFORM them ;) Education is Powerful!
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I like purple & you like green...
So what...**wink** Purple & green are tremendous compliments to each other. Do we both want liberty, do we both want to see Ron Pauls message spread... are we both part of "we the people"... live & let live.
Expose if you must, many of us do get that sickening feeling in the pit of our stomach when we come upon things of a corrupt & rotten nature.
I usually walk on by & let the buzzards feed on it. Who knows, there could be something good in there that could sprout wings & fly.
One thing I've noticed is that we have ALOT of extra guests visiting the site. Wether they are people curious or paid trollers who is to know.
Lets all shine like Ron Paul would have us.
Truth is blinding y'all
Shall we counter attack
on the McCain site?
No, that would be unethical
No, that would be unethical and counterproductive. Besides, the minions of the Great Albino Chipmunk/Songbird (now THERE'S a hybrid!) are their own worst enemies, and by blindly hailing the Emperor Who Has No Clothes, they are doing our work for us.
I'll repost a comment I made in another thread
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I encourage everybody who reads this thread to really think about what trolls are and what they do. It is very psychological. In order to succeed in what they do, trolls thrive when they are not challenged or exposed.
But to expose them and challenge them is to encourage them... and it will bring their wrath onto you.
Insulting trolls hardly ever works. I have found that the best strategy is to first expose them and then ignore them.
How to expose trolls. Ask them specific questions, make them back up their claims, ask them why they can't make a comment about x without insulting x. Ask them if they have an agenda. Ask them why they are posting misinformation incorrect information. Remember, trolls often lose their cool when they are being challenged, and they also lose their effectiveness once they are exposed. So, trolls often will put up a fight. What you have to work for is to get them to slip up. Once they start making errors and exposing themselves, then it goes downhill fast. And its best to challenge them with numbers.
Trolls
(1) try to discourage us and get us to quit
(2) try to divide us and cause fights or disruptions among us
(3) try to distract us, get us off topic, and stop focusing on the delegate process
(4) post useless or offtopic information (see #3 distraction)
(5) post incorrect information - at first it begins with trivial small stuff, but it may progress to blatently false, misleading information, and disinformation
(6) may result to personal attacks and defamation
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(7) have no life and nothing better to do than perform (1)-(6) above
(8) may actually derive joy and pleasure by performing (1)-(6) above
(9) may have more than one poster ID (I like to call this PMPD - poster multiple personality disorder)
(10) MAY WORK FOR THE GOVT AND MAY BE PAID TO TROLL
After you have a few solid interactions with trolls (particularly if you expose them or if they insult/defame you)... you will understand something that is very hard to describe. You may get this gutwrenching feeling... like this is just so unbelievably low, that it makes you want to vomit. And that feeling may come from pondering whether or not a particular troll(s) are paid by some entity for the garbage that they spew. And then you consider the personal aspects... whether these trolls are merely very empty inside, or if they really are just plain EVIL. And if you go down the last road, you start to understand just how wicked and evil this world has become.
And after having these revelations... you may decide to take it upon yourself to personally expose trolls whenever you run into them, both now and in the future. For there is not one redeeming quality about a troll.
SO KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT PEOPLE
Onward to the National Convention we go
I am going for my
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Remember, though.. ..much
Remember, though..
..much that is attributable to Evil is really just Stupidity.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't be on your guard against evil. But stupidity stalks our land as well, especially in the world of politics!
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I disagree they will divide
I disagree they will divide us. We know how utterly committed we all are to Ron Paul and his message of freedom. I tend to welcome different perspectives- even welcome them. Daily Paul would become stale without them. I am willing to look at both sides of arguments and then think about them. If the topic is completely out of whack, I believe FIRMLY in not taking the bait and let the thread fade off. In the end, we all know what we believe and should ignore anything less..... But I like your theory and suspect some of it may be true.
excellent observation!
Everyone needs to be very aware of the game!
Game rules always change or can be altered at any time to assure
that the most deceptive and vile candidate wins.
Everything they say they is a lie. Everything they hide and cover-up is the truth.
Words are meaningless.
Actions are revealing.
Do you think by calculating and interpreting numerous actions would reveal the paranoid choreographic think-tank manufactured reality we all are seeing but haven't acknowledged because we are conditioned to listen to the authorities rather than to use our own consciousness, intellectual logic, reason and knowledge?
call those people out
I believe that critical thinking, intellectual curiosity, and the freedom of the debate are all keys to the success of continuing the revolution of the Founding Fathers.
When any individual injects emotionalism, pejorative language, and slander into any argument (i.e. not rational debate), attempts to limit "acceptable" opinion and shut down debate through this self-reinforcing model of artificial limitations on free debate, they are demonstrating that they do not believe in the principle of individual liberty espoused by the Honorable Dr. Ron Paul.
And I will call those people out when I perceive such garbage.
"If we want to live in free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
steveU
is a troll.
He outed himself a few weeks ago.
I'm surprised he has the nuts to come back!
By all means lets be free and open to reasonable discussion.
just don't feed the trolls, nothing good will come of it.
Hey, Akak
I think you're completely correct on this subject. Divide and conquer are the preferred tools of the "ruling class." In this case, I doubt it's going to work. Those of us who have been here for awhile know each others sentiments; and while we may get into some knockdown drag out fights and poke fun at everything and anything, we are all united by the goal of making Dr. Paul the next president of the United States.
Trolls, like fair weather patriots, come and go. I've found that if you ignore them, for the most part, they just scurry back to their masters with their tails between their legs. Let the morons spill their bile. Today, they may be comfortable in their arrogance; but come tomorrow, when they are standing in line at the soup kitchen, they may finally realize they contributed to their own demise.
Trolls Mimic MSM
It's the same thing with the MSM, get everyone all riled up about crap that is completely irrelevant. It's easy to spot but easier to ignore.
I was here..
a for the last month or so when we probably had only a few of us (65-90)that spent time here posting on a regular basis...Within the last week I've seen alot of names that I don't recognize and topics that are divisive rather than informative...
The Pope thread was one that reeled me in and started me thumping my head that I had been baited into an argument..I wised up quickly and realized that if you feel an emotional pull over a topic...more than likely you're being cleverly and covertly manipulated.
Best to just let it go.
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Fuckin Trolls
Fuckin Trolls
The Pattern
is that when someone can't sustain a logical argument then anyone who disagrees is labeled a "troll" or a paid government shill.
That's the pattern -- the continuing inability of some people to believe that others might have different opinions.
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You know, it's funny,
You know, it's funny, Meistersinger, but you really clarified something regarding the obvious trolls (which I do not think you are): they NEVER try to defend themselves from the charges! They just keep hammering away with their disinformation, continually changing names and spouting the same tired old BS. Maybe that has changed with them switching their tactics to make us fight each other, but there's one thing that characterizes a true troll: when identified and challenged, they seem to always just "cut and run".
(Hmmmm. where have I heard that before?)
Cutting and running isn't in
Cutting and running isn't in my nature.
I'm German and Irish -- or as they say in The Godfather your "Kraut-Mick friend."
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Meistersinger, my last post
Meistersinger, my last post was not meant to imply that I think you are ANY kind of troll. Sorry if that was not more clearly stated.
I Got It...
I was just trying some friendly banter for a change -- that's what threw you off.
;-)
Peace!
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Banter is OK by me. We don't
Banter is OK by me. We don't have to agree on everything.
And I'm Kraut-Mick too (although mostly just Kraut).
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I'm mostly Kraut, too,
I'm mostly Kraut, too, although I tend to identify with the Mick side more.
I've got Scots-Irish, too. Real hard drinkers and fighters and General Washington's fiercest troops (until he turned on us in the Whiskey Rebellion). They just pushed another drink tax on us here in Allegheny County, so I guess it's the "same old, same old."
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Bohemian-German-Dutch-Irish
Bohemian-German-Dutch-Irish here, mostly Bohemian. Since there's no significant difference in Bohemian and German I count it as mostly Kraut.
Proud of our Kraut heritage, we should be...
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I'm one of those oddities, a
I'm one of those oddities, a third/fourth generation American who is 100% one ethnic background, Polish. Na zdrowie!
I've got a good friend with
I've got a good friend with the same background. Lot's of Poles around here (there's even a Kosciuszko social club).
This area was once known as "The Workshop of the World," so we've got immigrants of all kinds who came to work in the factories.
Capt. Ford of PPG brought my German ancestors over from the Ruhr in the 1880s to work in his glass plant. They were experienced glass workers. My Irish ancestors mined coal (my g-g-grandfather did it until he was 82).
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Both of my grandfathers
Both of my grandfathers mined coal in Pennsylvania also (not sure where you are). My mom's dad started working in the mines at the ripe old age of 12.
Hey....
I'm German/Irish and Italian from my Mom....
My Grandparents were from upstate Pa and my GreatGrandfather was SuperIntendant, and Grandfather was foreman for Richardson Colery mine.
My dad "unoffically" mined at 12 also...lol
Great to see that we have more than Dr. Paul in common =)
Not you.
I know you're not goof ball. But SteveU is and it's so easy to see. Besides what type of troll has a link to the RP all paul search engine..lol.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
That's Not Just Any Link
That's my site.
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COOL
I have used it before many a time.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Thank You!
This new found camaraderie is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
And I was just starting to enjoy the fight...damn.
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I don't care if you believe
I don't care if you believe you were abducted by aliens or that you think the creature from the black lagoon lives in the N.Y. sewer system. Just let those things stay with you. What I do care about is if you believe in freedom, peace and prosperity, and our constitution! So GO RON PAUL!
Yes, they do everything they can
to spread their disinfo, and dissension, but they will fail. Hope you are listening, trolls. YOU will fail.
Regardless of what others
Regardless of what others believe or disbelieve about chemtrails, 9/11, false flags, evolution, conspiracy theories, etc - in no way would any of their beliefs cause me to turn my back on Ron Paul or our revolution. The cause is much too important.
I concur.
I guess the message is scaring those in power.
We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
I hope the ties are stronger
I hope the ties are stronger than our disagreements can divide.
I think we can stick together...but that is an excellent observation.