Discussion: What are the major flaws in the Constitution?
a) I was never comfortable with how the Congress was granted the power to coin money. Why on earth would you want to leave that in the hands of a government?
b) Also, handing Congress the power to regulate commerce among the states...that's fascism according to Ayn Rand's definition!
Q: What are your beefs with the Constitution?





















The government had to take
The government had to take on a debt at the founding to be able and receive loans to get the government going. Debt is not a bad thing if it is kept under control.
The problem I think we've had is expanding government power too much. Tell me where in the Constitution does it give the government the power to force a DUI limit on the states, mandate educational standards, etc.? Simply put, it doesn't. And unless the PEOPLE through the states hold the government accountable, it is going to run amuck.
The problem is federalism was destroyed too long ago. The federal government was given 17 powers by the Constitution and NO MORE. The rest of the powers are reserved for the states, which should be filtered down to even more local levels with township, village, city and county government. This is how a republic is supposed to work.
The Constitution is vagued
The Constitution is vagued because it had to be that way to pass. You had so many different interests at the convention that a detailed document would never be passed. There was also some thought as to having the Constitution as a living document.
I think the worst thing about the Constitution is slavery in it. But this had to be done or we would have had a Civil War when we could least afford it. The issue was put off for a day where we'd be able to handle it better, even though the war was very bloody and messy, it was one of the 'better' Civil Wars in history in terms of reprisals, etc. Too often today we look back at the founding and say how could they allow slavery and some of these other things from a 21st century prospective. We've evolved for the better with giving equal liberty, but we can't take our 21st century thoughts and apply them to the 18th century. For starters, slavery was common in the world. The movement was just starting really to abolish the it. And this country would have never came into being if slavery was outlawed.
The Congress needs power to regulate interstate commerce. If there is no authority to do that, you will have states going to war with each other. This almost happened between I believe it was Pennsylvania and Maryland before the Constitution.
I believe the ultimate problem comes from a quite frankly lazy citizenry. Citizens have to protect their liberty and keep a watchful eye on all government. A state government can be just anti-liberty as a national government. Look at the red light cameras and other items. American Idol easily beats the State of the Union on TV. As long as a lot of people have their beer, football, 'non-reality' TV, etc, they don't care about their liberty. They take it for granted. The mainstream media also does not give our citizens the information they need to make informed decisions, which helps the process.
Ideally most government decisions are NOT made by the federal or state governments. They are made at the local level in a county or city. For especially the federal government to make mandates about education to the states would not be tolerated by the founders.
Gov't regulation of interstate commerce: if one extracts the...
same principle, that the regulation is necessary to prevent the states from going to war, and applies it to countries, wouldn't one conclude that a world-government is needed?
I think it is really sad that all of you with all these opinions
know not of what you speak. READ THE CONSTITUTION BEFORE YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON IT!
Read it before you were born
Your not refering to my comment I think.
When Ron Paul speaks he get's down to specifics
You however are being vague because you are simply conjuring up words that seem to sound good. I bet not one person here has even read the constitution but has opinions about something they know nothing of.
No flaws conceptually, but
No flaws conceptually, but the wording is too vague. Hence, a HUGE, HUGE flaw.
What was vague
Which part?
who was the first president
do you know?
It was a good idea for congress to regulate money
because they are only allowed to regulate it as the constitution prescribes.
The real problem is the people who know nothing, don't do nothing, won't learn anything. Just give them football and beer that is basically all they care about.
But where are the people? Why don't they read the constitution and ,make sure that congress follows the law.
When it gets down to it it really falls back on the people...
Who here has read the Constitution? Not many if any I bet.
Good for a government to regulate money?
I sharply disagree. What is the specific philosophical principle that you are employing to arrive at that conclusion Eilif?
Since the money permeates the entire market, it is necessary that that it not be regulated by government. If this doesn't happen there won't be very much of a free-market...
With the benefit of
With the benefit of hindsight, I think the main ‘flaw’ is that it was not written specifically enough. The ideals, and prescriptions for reaching them, it embodies, have likely never been matched in any society at any point in time. Yet, by choosing wording vague enough to allow quite some leeway with respect to how it is interpreted, the founders left the door ajar for those who would, slowly but surely, replace the document’s original intent with one more suited to their own devious ends.
obviously you have not read it
You are just guessing. Why don't you read it. IT WAS SPECIFIC!
I agree
When I was in high school, my teachers would tell us that the Constitution was designed to be elastic so that its interpretation can vary depending on the current times. It took me many years to undo the brainwashing done by our public education here in NYC.
*Cringe*
Mine too! I'm never putting my kids in public school.
I disagree... slightly.
I have no problem with having a "living" document, but I do agree that more needs to be done to safeguard the document. I think that one of the problems I have is that the Judicial Branch is completely appointed at its highest level. We vote locally for some of the Judicial positions, but not for the Supreme Court. This gives any sitting President, which cannot be usurped by the People very easily, the opportunity to make their imprint on that Branch.
I agree with most of the other concepts in this thread though! It's interesting, you'd think that with all these dumb committees out there, someone would form a Constitution Review group or something... some sort of movement to propose real Amendment to the Constitution to fix some of these issues or address ones that have arisen due to technological advancement.
since the judiciary are suppossed to be the safeguard of the
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constitution, it makes sense for them not to be elected. that way, only as few can be changed at one time, and the interpretation of the constitution can not be made dependent on the political whims of the moment. The problem is that congress has failed to exert its check on the judiciary, not stripping them of authority when they exceed it.
The principal source of any such flaw or flaws lies not
in the Constitution as established by the founding fathers and the intent behind it, as clearly outlined in the writings and debates of that time.
The flaw lies in the misinterpretation, misapplication and outright defiance of the intent of the document as has been experienced by the actions of all three branches of our federal government.
What about the monopoly that was given to
the government to deliver mail? :-)
Why on earth is that needed?
yeah, that is outdated
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they don't really have a monopoly, but at the time, it was necessary for the government to function, since the various states and local governments had to be able to communicate with washington, and there was no mass communication
As far as I know that is incorrect
What do you mean that they don't have a monopoly? They still have one today one the delivery of certain types of mail AFAIK.
And why would it have been necessary at the time for the gov't to function? Why not just leave it to the market?
Two obvious flaws:
First, the Constitution created a central government with too much power, even at the start. (Of course, ANY central government -- any group which uses coercion even just for funding -- has too much power. Civilized people do not use coercion with each other).
Second, there are no real penalties for abuse of power by federal officials. An unconstitutional law is passed: any penalties for the legislators who voted for the law? Nope. An unconstitutional agency is created and wreaks havoc upon the citizens. Penalties for those responsible? Nope.
YOU can get arrested and imprisoned for dang near anything; THEY can violate the highest law of the land with near-total impunity.
Great point.
In that sense, you make an excellent point.
No flaws!
To truly grasp the Constitution, may I suggest everyone who has not already, read the Federalist Papers. This site is awesome! http://www.foundingfather...
My biggest beef is the 14th
My biggest beef is the 14th Amendment....corporate America has used it to designate themselves as individuals http://www.freedocumentar...
the 14th was never ratified
they congress illegally adapted it.
i think the 14th is crucial
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without it, there would be no supremacy clause. The courts misconstrued it to create "corporate personhood" in my opinion.
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It was a compromise
The declaration of Independence was the opperative statement. The lawyers wiggled their way in and convinced enough of the patriots to go along with limited govt. The brightest of the freedom loving founders didn't want a govt. There are no govts. in history that have stayed good for the people. What we need to teach in this country is who you are and how to contract with your fellow human beings. Every conversation you have is a form of contract. Every contract has responsibilities attached. If you honor all contracts you win. When a cop gives you a ticket, that is an offer to contract and answer for the fiction all caps name he wants you to answer for. If more of you comprehended this, we could end this soon. Vote for Dr. Paul he is the best yet. I'm still voting "none of the above". To me, chosing a president is a vote for govt. I don't see where I benefit.
The wizard of OZ explained it pretty well
you are in the know...
The flaws I see off the top of my head
Interstate commerce clause - this is written to vaguely and has been used by the Federal government to regulate pretty much everything.
Cruel and usual punishent - too vague
It doesn't clearly explain that the only type of right that exists is an individual right.
Overall, it was written for educated people who have an understanding of the fundamentals behind the Constitution, but a document like this should assume ZERO intelligence and spell out everything, and it wouldn't have to be any larger really.
For years I has talks with people about the constitution
then one day I decided to ask one question: Have you read it as I have?
Almost everyone said no they had not. So I stopped discussing the constitution with people who had yet to read it like this idiot who says clearly there are flaws. It is not a lot of law to read. It is just a pamphlet but why won;t you read it?
The flaw is that they do not follow the constitution
the second flaw is that you have not read it but assume there is a flaw.
thirs is they add amendments to the constitution illegally by not proprerly ratifying them
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And before you quote Ayn Rand do a little more reading.
There are no flaws atrickpay, period!
hjschaapman
Clearly there ARE flaws ---
Clearly there ARE flaws --- or we would not be in the mess we are today!
This is where I take minor issue with Ron Paul and others who say that we "just need to return to constitutional government". That's fine, in theory, but we arrived at this sorry state while UNDER the US Constitution, so clearly something is "wrong" with it, or else the very idea of maintaining a limited government is a chimera.
we arrived in this state because we violated the constitution
I guess you have nothing to say because you know nothing and understand even less.
Maybe the flaw is simply
Maybe the flaw is simply that it is a law/contract written by men? And like any law, it is open, at least slightly or in parts, to interpretation. And as we all know, if the government can find a needlehole of an opening, they are going to drive a truck through it, and eventually a whole train (of abuses).
Here's a flaw!
Giving the government a monopoly on the delivery of mail.
The service is mediocre and the price they charge is too high.
Where are the flaws?
Come on were waiting!
I don't know, that's the
I don't know, that's the $64,000 question, isn't it? I'm just saying, and I think you would have to agree, that things suck right now, and have for a long time, and they managed to get progressively more sucky WHILE the Consitution was still the "law of the land". So saying we just need to "return to the Constitution" is simplistic --- yes, it would be great, but the key point is, how do you PERMANENTLY stop the growth of big government?
WHY DON"T YOU READ IT!!!
Clearly there are flaws you say, OK then where are they if you are so astute?
The only FLAW here is your thinking!
We are in the sorry state affairs in this country because of people like you who think our Constitution is flawed. And wish to change it without going thought the constitutional amendment process FIRST. Read the constitution, it’s a perfect document protecting your freedoms, you might learn something if you do.
It sounds to me like you want to live under a well oiled rule through democracy (where the mobs rule). Well I don't, I want to live under a Republic, ruled by constitutional law as given to us by our fore fathers. Where the law is etched in stone, and cannot be changed without going through a perfect well thought out mandated amendment process FIRST. This process was set forth in the US Constitution for needed changes in the future, and was written into the constitution for your protection. You need to take your socialist thought process and join the "I hate real freedom" crowd.
Furthermore, to make such a statement as you have done, tells me you do not have a clue as to what Ron Paul stands for in first place.
hjschaapman
Hey, you're REALLY jumping
Hey, you're REALLY jumping to wild conclusions there! I never made any such claims. But you have to agree, something is "wrong" or incomplete with the Constitution, or we could NOT have gotten into the crappy state of current affairs otherwise. Maybe, as Lysander Spooner argued, NO constitution will ever be able to contain the avarice and corruption of evil men? I don't know.
I was not saying that I want to dump the constitution, just that it clearly has failed to control the growth of governmental power in this country, for whatever reason. Saying that the answer to all our problems is just a "return to the Consitution" is fine in theory, if all men were angels. Even if we could accomplish it, what's to say the same old shit would not happen all over again, and government would simply just start growing exponentially again?
Have you read it?
HAVE YOU READ IT?
Of course. But I don't
Of course. But I don't worship it ---- it's just an imperfect document, as anything created by man is imperfect. If it were perfect, we would still be living under the very limited government of the founding fathers, but since we don't, one has to conclude that something went wrong.
to akak
Your argument is flawed my friend and here's how. You say the document must be flawed because it somehow led us to expansion of gov't. Actually, what led us there was ignoring the document, not following it too closely. But I agree there are flaws, but not very big ones. I only know of one, and that is that the Founding Fathers should of included an Amendment banning our gov't from borrowing money under any circumstances. Central borrowing at the federal level has no place in a free market, free society. Also, some argue that an Amendment failing to protect the unborn is a major flaw, but that is touchy and I don't wish to get into that.
Final point:
How is it the Constitution's flaw that we centralized our own gov't because we allowed the document to be violated and not follow the rules? How do you know something doesn't work when you don't use it properly?
the constitution
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depends on a vigilant citenzry who will defend their liberties
Loans to Foreign Governments
The Elected Representatives of the United States SHALL NOT loan any individual, group of individuals or other country on the planet with funds derived from the taxpayers from taxes, stamps, licenses, court fees, fines, which loan amount is not secured contractually by that government irrevocably for payback to the U.S.A. Treasury with interest and then only when there is not a single project in the USA left un-funded.
U.S. Currency/loans may NOT gratuitously be given to any individual or foreign government under any circumstances ever. Disaster relief for any country on the planet will be provided conditional to the receiving country's agreement that the cost to the USA is a contractual obligation by that country to pay back the loan over time when they are able to do so.
-DR. ROBERT INGRAM POWELL