Noam Chomsky dismisses 9/11 "inside job" Truth (Great Comments by him!)
Posted May 3rd, 2008 by SteveU
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Noam Chomsky gives an excellent explanation of what is so ridiculous about "9/11 was an inside job" conspiracy theories.
Here is the video link: http://www.youtube.com/wa...
I'm posting it here because apparently there are many leftist/anti-capitalists on this forum who support Paul. If they won't listen to Paul himself when he says 9/11 Truth theories are "preposterous" (http://youtube.com/watch?...), maybe they will listen to this far left figureheard.
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Now, I'm definitely not one of the "inside job" people, but do believe some extra research into the ineptness with 911 should be done.
What let me wonder with the website you provide is what I read below:(c) "2008 Council on Foreign Relations
Interview research provided by the Freemasons. Funding provided by the Rothschild family foundation."
What is this? Or was it only a joke/kidding?
Dude
Of course Ron believes it was an inside job. He knows the level of corruption in our government is astronomical. He didn't admit to believing in it because it would have been political suicide. That's something that he'd be able to address in the presidency. For people not to see that, is absolutely absurd.
If you think 9/11 wasn't an inside job, then you quite simply haven't done your research. It's really not a matter of opinion, the facts are there whether you choose to accept them or not.
Yep," 911 for a fact inside job" is ME
My reasoning..where is there a better place for a revolution to start than bringing the ones that done this to justice and taking them all to their knees. Expose...Expose.... how many folks are being hung..bound up..and tortured now only to be called suicide. Our job is to question the people at the top on all things that even smell a little like fish...as patriots it is...our job..our JOB...give us a true investigation with good witnesses and reliable sources and we will stop the questioning however it turns out....BUT..we can't even get a decent investigation to satisfy our questions. Now you tell me what is wrong with that...???????????
WHYYYYYYYYYY....? Smells worse than sardines to me...(by the way i like sardines...lol)........GIVE US AN INVESTIGATION....that is our argument......................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
Not very good "reasoning."
Not very good "reasoning."
No offense, but that is a really strange and mangled logic. Saying "911 was an inside job for a fact" is one thing--a statement that must be backed up with facts.
But you go on to explain that your "reasoning" is because the demand for an investigation makes a good staging point for the revolution...
That simply is not a sound logical argument.
-Chad
To Chadism
you need to put your glasses on and reread what i said...MY REASONING...are we into thought control now...? Next step..huh..???
who did i try to argue with...? I said MY REASONING...
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master... George Washington
Question to the "911 inside job truthers"
there are some of your "groupies" that support Obama, Nader, etc. so you are not unique to the Ron Paul movement. Who did you support before 911?
Also: who do you think was responsible for the first attempted 911 explosion?
Now, I have been thinking. Al Qaeda was propped up and supported by the CIA earlier in the Col War period and used against the Russians. They were trained militarry and supplied with weapons. In a certain sense they are a product of the US govt. So when Al Qaeda atatcked on 911, it was sort of a US govt. sanctioned and supported group that attacked the US. So in this sense - it was an "inside job", only that Al Qaeda has split from the US govt. later- way before 911 again.
If 911 was an inside job by US govt agents, who was responsible for 3/11 in Madrid, Spain, the London bombings, Bali, in North Africa (Somalia) etc etc?
Osama Bin Laden is NOT on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List
for the 911 attacks. What a derogatory post. Groupies you say. Go do you own home work. There is enough credible info out there to warrant a new investigation. Stop using the label "truther." What's wrong with learning and knowing the truth?
As well I supported myself
and I voted for Michael Badnarik in the last election.
sorry
for the wrong use of the word, did not mean to be derogatory, please except my apology.
My question about the other terrorist incidents worldwide remains....
I do know there are quite different theories about 911 and not all of those that think the US govt. had something to do with it, agree also: very different theories, so it s difficult to generalize. Some go on building 7 only, which is indeed still a question mark, and warrant further research, although I do think Al Qaeda had directly to do with the 2 World Trade Centre buildings. The FBI could have prevented it: the flight school in FL a year before 9/11 should have already alarmed people and the info given till the highest authority, but there is such ineptness and bureocracy and certain parts on the govt. may have been aware something will happen some time and tried to deliberately not avoid it.
Accepted
I think (hope) we can all agree that there is enough reason to have an independent investigation. That's all we are asking for. Conduct the investigation and let the chips fall where they may. I think that is reasonable.
I can't discuss 911 anymore. Put the facts on the table and get to the truth. That's it.
Peace!
"Dancing Israelis"
Google "Dancing Israelis" and "911". There are 1,750,000 to Israeli "art students" (Mossad agents) who danced in glee at the sight of the twin towers burning on 911. That's Israeli, not Iraqi, not Iranian, not even Saudi.
Israeli. I would think at least one of these source counts more than Mr. Chomsky's unsubstantiated musings.
I'm not a leftist. I'm not
I'm not a leftist. I'm not anti-capitalist. I'm not a believer in the official story of 9/11. Sorry. Ron Paul also stated on several occasions he would not tell his supporters to stop believing what they believe. This movement is about FREEDOM. You spend all this time and energy with posts that are counter to that principle so forgive me if I have to give ya the middle finger mate.
OK
But do you really think Bush & Cheney have the brains and skills to pull such an inside job off? I am thinking you are giving them way too much credit. I mean, they cannot even run the government honestly and competently and Bush cannot make a speech by himself, so how on earth do you think he could be such an actor?
It is clear there has been ineptness, but surely the whole think with the crowds running etc cannot have been staged by TV networks in real time.
Yes, the message is about freedom and we cannot control your thoughts, but the Ron Paul campaign was never about, is never about and will never be about the 9/11 "inside job" truth movement. If you want a leader that believes in it, go for Cynthia McKinney of the Greens. BTW: There are 9/11 truthers that support
Obama, Clinton and Nader.
Hoping I do not not get the middle finger for this....
Peace
"But do you really think
"But do you really think Bush & Cheney have the brains and skills to pull such an inside job off?"
You pose an irrelevant question. We don't know who brought down the towers or even what country they were from---all we know is that the official story is hogwash, and the laws of engineering and physics contradict the idea that the twin towers fell from jet fuel, or that Building Seven collapsed from fires or structural damage at the street level.
I don't know who shot JFK or why, either, but I know it wasn't Lee Harvey Oswald on the Sixth Floor using a cheap surplus Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.
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I hate to burst your bubble
about thinking most people believe that Bush and Cheney are the brains or architects behind too much of anything that is going on, including something as basic as the demise of our dollar. It is pretty well established that they answer to other powers, most foreign. In other words they are put in place; what do you think the charade of our current Presidential election is about? Do you think there is something a little odd how many higher government officials belong to the same secret societies, and organizations? There is no excuse for being in the dark about this info anymore, it is coming from everywhere. I have not really seen anyone here trying to force their opinion on this matter down anyones throats, but I have seen alot of comments on "kooks", "crazy", "exterminate, like cockroachs", etc. Now, it is if everyone does not have the exact beliefs as Ron Paul, they have no business supporting him. What? We are not part of his official campaign, we are grassroots that come from every country, race, age, gender, educational background, religion with one common belief. Ron Paul at this moment in time is here as a trusted representitive to insure our FREEDOMS, to include what we think and believe, and he has said as much. I don't think anyone is seeing him as an idol, or wants to be a clone of his nor would he want that himself. If the so called "truthers" were following his every appearence with signs and megaphones screaming about 9/11 that would not be appropriate. However, to talk about subjects here that would warrent an investigation and agreed to by Ron Paul if he is elected unless the owner of this site deems it inappropriate is something else. Ron Paul has said himself to question the government is healthy, even though his personal opinion of this matter may differ from others. What is next, the people here who are gardening, storing food and supplies are going to be labeled "doomers", and be disenfranchised because Ron Paul and his family are not doing the same thing?
Great post
well done!
Peace!
What about...
"The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" 1973. This war was lost, when the North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam 1975.
How about the fact that FDR knew about the attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened? That's how our carriers got out to sea in time to avoid the attack.
What about the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967?
How about...
US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.
After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.
The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.
And...
Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait.
Face it folks, most wars are not started to "kill the evil enemy", but rather for rich banker types to make scads of money. And to think that our government couldn't or wouldn't do something like this is crazy.
That's just how it's done.
If you think that Bush and Cheney got to be where they are today (2 of the richest, and definitely most powerful people on the planet) by being stupid, you're sadly mistaken. They are not stupid, they are just power-mad maniacs with no regard for human life.
Discussion is Key
He's not posting anything that is harmful to the message of Freedom.
He is spreading information in hopes of opening a discussion on the matter.
Discussion must be encouraged for truth to be found.
Actually I don't know if it
Actually I don't know if it was an inside job, or not. As in the case of the JFK assassination, simply because the government covered up the criminal conspiracy doesn't necessarily mean the government executed it in the first place.
All I know is that the government lied through its teeth, 9-11 was very suspicious, Building Seven was clearly taken down with high explosives, and in the face of logic or any rational and scientific investigation, the collapse of the two towers would also be shown to be two engineered demolitions.
Oh, and one other thing--Noam Chomsky is an opportunistic Marxist scumbag, slightly to the Left of Fidel Castro. Anyone who would reference him as a quotable person, with a straight face, cannot be a constitutionalist or a libertarian.
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What they want us to know.
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So if ...
So if Noam Chomsky stated that there was not a systematic media black out of Ron Paul, because if there was such a thing it must have leaked and would be all over the media by now, would you believe him?
my point exactly
thanks for reading my mind
what else have you been doing?
Watch. This is a rational post.
Hey, SteveU. Take your little groupthink, groupwar party and go shove it up your ass. OK? And take your little 'paulites' (by the way, only a troll would use that word, you fucking moron) website and shove THAT up your ass. I would also tell you to go fuck yourself, but if you were following my instructions you would already have done so twice! Well, you know what, I can be a generous guy. GO FUCK YOURSELF, TROLL!
Sincerely,
Sick of You Guy
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Thank you, kind sir, for the AM laugh
I nearly snorted my coffee back out my nose upon reading your eloquent words above.
Thanks!
I live but to serve
Misfortunately, there are machines which yearn to have my wrenches turned upon them. And so I can provide no more hilarity OR hijinks.
Have a nice day, and if you see the troll, tell him I'll pay at his bridge with LEAD. It might come at him a bit fast to catch though
Thanks
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
right there! right there!
spot my man!
spot fucking on!
sorry
that was a bit much
I hate that guy though
LOL!!
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Lol...
I had a good giggle.
Here's an idea...
Why don't we just watch for a few minutes & LISTEN to the people WHO WERE THERE.
You'll see firefighters at Ground Zero talking about secondary devices/ (bom bs) going off. Take special note of mins. *2:40, *3:21, *3:35, *4:05, & the firemen who escaped at *9:17--9:23 who seem to be talking about (gasp), demolition. Watch & see.
Link to 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
But, I wasn't there so what do I know?? THEY WERE THERE, so I'll listen to & learn from the ones on the front lines.
So Chomsky has More Expertise than Architects and Pilots...
Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org
Pilots for 9/11 Truth:
www.pilotsfor911truth.org
Question
Fortune Favors the Bold
I understand that in a political coalition, it is important to preserve unity, even amongst people with very disparate viewpoints, as long as they share the same common goal.
To that end, I have a question for the 9/11 truthers. Why is it important to you what other people in the ron paul revolution think about 9/11? We both oppose the New World Order, and want to see them stripped of power. This is not to put you down, I am trying to gain some insight into what motivates you, so we can work together in the most effective manner.
We have to take a look at what got us here
Ron Paul says that himself. If in fact the US Gov't was behind 911,and it was a false flag operation, then that changes everything. We need an independent investigation. That's all. I wish people would stop using the term "truthers." It makes this sound like a cult group or something. What's so bad about knowing the truth. We have a right to know. GWB states that 911 was done because these people hate our freedoms, yet the US Gov't is taking away our freedoms because of it. Does that make sense to anyone? It doesn't make sense to me.
It's a well-established
It's a well-established recent example of the government lying to the American people, and in the wake of 9-11, our civil liberties have been under continuous attack, so it bears significant historical throwweight.
We also have soldiers overseas who are dying in large numbers and the primary justification for their deaths, by our government, has been to reference 9-11-01.
I can understand how you might feel that 9-11 Truthers are an embarrassment to Ron Paul's campaign, since Dr. Paul is not a 9-11 Truther, but I think considering our government's recent manipulation of the masses to give up their freedoms because of 9-11, it's highly "on topic" in any liberty-related forum.
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Understandable
I would like to think that some on here sometimes think of me as a rational poster. One that does not try to cause too much static, while at the same time helping a topic along.
I don't think of myself as a ~Truther~.... they are the guys with the signs on the street corner yelling into your car window as you pass. (Yes, we have those at our town). That being said, the official story is either complete BS or what I do for a living doesn't work in reality.
I personally think that the Truther movement is a natural magnet for those who actually wear tinfoil hats... the paranoid, the social outcasts... so they are crippled by an influx of REAL crazies...lol.
So it's something that is not going to be settled in a chatroom. a live debate, or anywhere else. Because a percentage of ~Truthers~ are actually mad.. in the real sense of the word.
And on the other side there are those which have no problem with believing that the government has screwed them in countless other ways and has no problem believing that there are those in power that will kill for thier own purposes. They just don't believe it happened at 9/11. Just every other time.
It is one of those topics that will probably never see a middle ground... like politics and religion.. ;)
hm
Fortune Favors the Bold
well, from my perspective, it was the government, just not the US government. It was the government of Al Qaeda. I don't think the US is particularly worse then any other government.
Man, you are goofy. Don't
Man, you are goofy. Don't you have anything else to do? Chomsky's an idiot, and a collectivist. Who cares what he thinks? And why do you come to a Ron Paul site to slander Ron Paul's supporters?
FYI: http://www.leftgatekeepe
FYI:
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Makes
perfect sense. It would have taken an enormous amount of logistics and personnel to plan and carry this out. SOMEONE would have come forth that was in on it to be a whistleblower and national hero. These truthers have thrown all rationality out the window. I suspect that they'll eventually come to their senses.
It's funny that even a left wing windbag like Chomsky is bright enough to see through the silliness.
I'd love to ask Noam about the HUNDREDS of Israelis that...
...were taken into custody and deported on & following 9/11/01. You know, like the ones caught on the GW bridge with a vanload of explosives. Or the ones in New Jersey filiming the collapse and dancing around like idiots.
You were right to use windbag and Chomsky in the same sentence.
L.G.
I am needing your help here. I am having a little trouble finding a synonym for
"Neo-Con Shill". Do you know any?
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I'm still praying for you
Dear Lord in heaven, please help LG get a life. He also needs to stop promoting conspiracy theories. The one where 19 guys with box gutters overpowered professional airline pilots. Please help him see the error in his ways. Thank you Lord. Amen!
Peace!
Box cutters LOL
That's a rumor. They didn't use boxcutters. Show me an official report that concluded that box cutters were used.
You are an ass!
God help you!
The hijackers had guns.
The hijackers had guns. That's how they killed the pilots before they could signal for help.
If they had guns
how did they get those guns past security?
It was an inside job. The
It was an inside job. The security company (Securacom) was in charge of both Dulles airport and the World Trade Center.
Hijackers use guns, that's what they've always used. Show me any hijacking in the world where they didn't have a gun.
Read the Talmud lately?
Why were no plane seats found? That has NEVER happened in any plane wreck before 9/11. Rationale. Give me a break.
Can you see the hand signals?
Do you understand the big picture?
If you think Doctor Paul is telling all he knows, think again. He is a politician in a corrupt system, albeit the best we have.
This is a revolution. Wake up.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
L.G. is a shill folks
Leave him to his own devices...
Chomsky may be changing on 9/11
Chomsky may be changing on 9/11
Noam Chomsky will be appearing on Dr. Kevin Barrett's radio show in a couple weeks. This probably indicate that Chompsky will be switching to, at least, LIHOP.
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