Blowback versus inside job (9/11 WTC)
Posted May 4th, 2008 by L.G.
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I have a question. I know that there are many Paul fans that believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I'm wondering how they square that with Paul's position that 9/11 was the result of blowback? I mean this is the crux of Paul's foreign policy concerning 9/11 and it's what got him so much attention from the early Presidential debates.
Those who say 9/11 was an inside job directly disagree with Ron Paul who says 9/11 was the result of terrorists who attacked us because they were angry that we were on holy land.
I don't see how such a central position of Paul's can be ignored by many of his supporters. How can they just ignore this very important foreign policy position of his that made him famous, and say it was NOT blowback but conducted by the U.S. government?
-LG
Addendum and side note: Some here even say he secretly thinks it's an inside job, but is lying to us in order to protect himself and his campaign. That's insulting to me, because I don't see any reason to think Paul is a liar. He seems to be very honest regardless of the consequences, honest to a fault at times even. If he thought 9/11 was an inside job, I have no doubt he would just say it instead of lie to the American people on national television.
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You might want to revisit
You might want to revisit the most televised 9/11 question that was posed to Dr. Paul and carefully listen to his response.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
He says that he has abandoned those viewpoints which means that he held them at one point.
He follows that up by saying he doesn't believe that which could mean he doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job or it could mean virtually anything because the answer is not specific at all.
He says he does not endorse which does not mean he doesn't agree. To not endorse is only a declaration of not giving personal support to any efforts or statements.
Not to mention that all...
of our wars have been started by gaining support from the citizens through a false flag event of some sort.
See, normal citizens just want to live their lives peacefully and make a living. They don't have the time or the desire to worry about world affairs. Governments have to drum up support for their wars somehow. All wars are fought for ECONOMIC reasons in the end. Governments have to get public support for them somehow... usually by allowing their own citizens to get killed.
-Sinking of the
-Sinking of the Lusitania
-Sinking of the USS Maine
- The "Surprise" Attack on Pearl Harbor
-The Gulf of Tonkin crisis
All more or less proven to be false flag attacks. The only real grey area existing being whether or not FDR knew Pearl Harbor's attack was imminent, since it's impossible to conclusively prove it.
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Why do people have such trouble accepting the fact that...
They did this.
Period.
I'm finding it hard to believe it was just incompetence. If it was, it was the most GROSS level of incompetence ever.
I posted these sites in another post below, but I'm posting them again to see if some of you nay-sayers will actually look at them.
This one shows you plainly that if all the government had as far as intelligence goes were the main stream media reports, you'd have to know the attacks were coming... and when. In fact, if we all paid more attention to the news, we probably could have predicted it ourselves. It's not our job to put these details together though. That's the job of our wonderful federal government...
http://www.wanttoknow.inf...
But we know they had more intelligence than that. We spend more than half a trillion a year on national defense.
This one details the Bush family-Bin Laden family connection:
http://freedocumentaries....
Big buddies from way back.
This one details how 3 generations of Bush's have funded and supported America's enemies.
http://fromthewilderness....
This one gives the most credible presentation of the "demolition" theory I've seen:
http://video.google.com/v...
Prescott Bush, the president's grandfather was brought up on charges for helping to fund Hitler before and during WWII. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director.
A 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:
- 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
- 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
- 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
- 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
- 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
- 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
- 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives
We all know that Bush Sr. gave weapons and sarin gas to Sadaam and actually funded his arms buildup prior to the first Gulf War.
We also know that the Bush clan helped to fund and arm Bin Laden to help keep the Russians from invading Afghanistan.
It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here people.
You just have to sift through all the junk and come to your own conclusions. The websites I have given you are credible though. Check them out and see what you think.
Dr. Paul Said On Alex Jones Radio Show
Something to the effect of...Every time the Government investigates itself, there is always a cover-up.
I wish he took more of that tact during the debates.
He could have said something like... there are still a lot of unanswered questions about 9/11.
We still don't know what happened to Building 7.
Why did it take 14 months to start an investigation?
Something like 90% of the Public doesn't believe the official story about the JFK assassination. Many of the files relating to that investigation are still classified. If I'm elected President, I'll make public everything about the JFK assassination.
I'll also try to get answers to the many questions 9/11 Family members still have about the attacks of September 11th...
I feel Dr. Ron miscalculated the political fallout and missed opportunity after opportunity to shine much needed light on an issue still very much shrouded in darkness.
The first 9/11 "Truthers" were 5 widows from New Jersey who all lost their husbands on 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
There's no doubt in my mind
that the our government orchesrtated 9-11, but if people can't decipher the eveidence for themselves, that's their ignorance. We had to have a war on something, and "terrorism" is all encompassing foe. Look how scared Americans are now. We've terror alert lights at airports, we've got Patriot Act, Homeland Securtiy.......all making us feel snug in bed, with big old government keeping watch. To that I say, IF 9-11 was real, and we couldn't even defend our Pentagon? I say phoeey! You can fool some of the people all the time. As for blowback, of course it's real. All actions create reactions, and world globetrotting with guns in hand for 50 years is no exception. We're after the middle east oil supplies, so Bush and Company can divvy up lucrative contracts to their cronies, and say they're doing it for America's good! Simple as that.
I read that document in the
I read that document in the first link. 1) Scary. 2) Sort of depressing. However, 3) the false flag attacks didn't go to the level of actually killing several thousand Americans. It was all about simulated sinkings of our own military vessels or, in the worst case, killing some Cuban refugees. This is totally different than 9/11 being a false flag...
(this was supposed to be a reply to imunplugged's post a couple down)
You must have missed the part...
...In Operation Northwoods that talked about using passenger aircraft as weapons, huh?
My thoughts:
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I believe the concept of blowback is very real and very true. 9-11, however, was an inside job. Once we headed over to the middle east for these two current wars, we REALLY started to piss these people off, and that is what is causing any blowback we are receiving now.
Blowback is real
Ron Paul is absolutely right about blowback being a major factor for why there are terrorist attacks. No matter what a new 9/11 investigation may uncover, and I am real suspicious about the official story, blowback is a legitimate explanation for a lot of the terrorist attacks that have occurred.
My thoughts
Our Government may not have been involved in actually crashing planes, but they were definately involved in letting it happen so that they could scare the American people into giving up more liberties and having something to fear.
Why else would our guys be meeting with our "sworn enemy"/"Friend" Bin Laden right before it happened?
It only takes one thing for me to believe the Govt was involved. Bush sat right in front of America and said "Who would have believed that someone could fly planes into buildings as weapons, who could have thought something like this up, and how could we have prepared?" (In general what he said) So basically all the training material that was designed for just this catastrophe, and our forces drilling this exact scenario on the exact day, just means nothing?
If the Govt has nothing to hide, why not investigate this thing? Because you already have the answers and they are incriminating. You can always trust the Federal Government, ask any Native American.
Exactly...
This link proves that anybody could have seen this coming if they only put 2 and 2 together...
http://www.wanttoknow.inf...
These are all main stream media reports that show that if our government only had the level of intel that they allowed to make it to the media... they should have known this was coming and when.
Bush also lied on tv saying that he saw the FIRST crash on tv before going into the classroom in FL. But the first crash wasn't shown on tv until later that afternoon.
Come on people. This isn't even a well-hid cover-up. Apathy of Americans amazes me.
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I don't think it was an inside job, One thing is sure that bush knew at least a half hour before if not a lot longer.
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You might want to revisit
You might want to revisit the most televised 9/11 question that was posed to Dr. Paul and carefully listen to his response.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
He says that he has abandoned those viewpoints which means that he held them at one point.
He follows that up by saying he doesn't believe that which could mean he doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job or it could mean virtually anything because the answer is not specific at all.
He says he does not endorse which does not mean he doesn't agree. To not endorse is only a declaration of not giving personal support to any efforts or statements.
I wonder if Ron Paul has
I wonder if Ron Paul has heard of Operation Northwoods. It's absolute proof that our own government carries out false flag attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a U.S false flag plan from 1962 as a "preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes" for the agenda of generating U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro
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Absolutely
L.G. I fully agree with you, it makes 100% sense, very logic and I have also heard Paul on these questions timelessly. He answers is that he does not endorse the idea that 911 was a govt. inside job, but does endorse the 911 people - to use this term - the freedom of expression and the right to vote for him. Also there are several 911 inside job people who vote for Clinton, Obama, Nader and Cynthis McKinney of the Greens (the last two leaders are being directly connected to 911 truthers).
There will always be "conspiracy theories" with many radical events, for instance a political assassination and some theories are warranted, some have a grain of truth but not all and others simply do not survive any truth tests in the end. We will continue to pray for our 911 friends, we all need prayers. We would all agree there has been some ineptness with regard to 911 and there are still some unsolved issues related to 911.
Let's all pray for LG
so he might see the error in his ways.
If we had freedom
and tranparency, we would know. Oh wait, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. Message is freedom not power.
Blowback
Inside
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
You people need to learn how to play chess
Are you really so simple that you can't see how the controlling 'interests' would manipulate all the pieces?
Ron Paul is right, 9/11/01 happened because of blowback. How easy is it to recruit support for attacking an enemy that has opressed your country and people for the better part of a century? Duh! No brainer there Sherlock, don't you think?
The people calling for the truth about 9/11/01 are right too. If you think for one secend that our domestic air defense network is so weak that the hijacked planes couldn't be (and weren't) located on radar...if you think our AF pilots are so inept they wouldn't be able to intercept & shoot down those aerial threats...if you think a 757 hit the Pentagon... Keep hitting your bong or whatever else has your mind in a fog.
No...I don't think it was leprechauns using laser beams and holograms.
But I do know the official story is BS.
-Explain the lack of a 757 at the Pentagon post crash. The physical evidence and data do not corroborate the official story. Look it up, you have internet access.
-Explain what two ISRAELIS were doing with a vanload of explosives on the GW Bridge on 9/11, why they were quietly taken into custody and then quietly deported. While you're at it, explain the other knuckleheaded Israelis that were taken into custody after filming the events of 9/11 who were also quietly deported. Again, you can find this on the internet. In their own words. On TV...in Israel.
-Go ahead and explain WTC7. I dare you. I may not be a structural engineer, but I am an engineer. I was also a firefighter. Diesel doesn't do what people speculate it did at WTC7.
So you people who like to cry 'there is no conspiracy' ought to look at the FACTS (gee, why let those get in the way of being a good pawn, huh?) and stop being a detriment to those of us who want the truth revealed.
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"It is like a finger pointing away to the moon, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." - Bruce Lee
I love that quote
From Bruce. He was such an amazing man. Through studying martial arts, I have come to learn just how much of a genius he was.
"If you think a thing is impossible, you'll make it impossible." - Bruce Lee
That is one I have grown to understand. I used to think that the things I'd see others do could not be done by me. It wasn't until I could see myself doing them that I learned that I could. It's application stretches beyond the physical into the psycological.
"Real living is living for others" - Bruce Lee
Needs no further explanation.
Be water, my friend. Be water.
I was a firefighter also,
I was a firefighter also, and that's why I think the twin towers were controlled demolitions. If you are a firefighter you know the differential in heat between ventilated structure fires and mostly contained ones. The difference is huge.
The WTC towers were fully ventilated with holes over 100 feet wide, which means the government's fairy story about the jet fuel rising to temperatures high enough to melt steel is pure horseshit. Even if there had been enough jet fuel on the exploded planes to do the job, which there wasn't, that would still be the case.
As for WTC7, they will never admit the building was "pulled" because of the massive insurance scam involved, which bodes badly for the cover-up, because WTC7 is the equivalent of the Warren Commission's "magic bullet theory"--an unsupportable piece of nonsense that violates all known scientific laws, and is so obvious a child could figure it out.
We have blowback, too, of course, in addition to a cover-up of 9-11, so the implications behind the title of this forum post are pointless.
I dislike the phrase "inside job", by the way, since that term conjures up Us vs. Them mentality, when all we need is the truth. I do not claim to know who blew the buildings up or what country they were from; to determine that would require a serious investigation!
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As more and more reveals itself, The official story gets harder and harder to defend. Listen to the tape. Then read FEMA's official story. Then factor in Giuliani's testimony.
The truth is easy. Liars must have a perfect memory.
When I speak on behalf of Ron Paul
I do not bring up the issue of 9/11 since it is bogus and really shouldn't be included by anyone in ANY argument that is pro establishment since it was fabricated by the establishment.
But if some zombie-sheep wishes to bring it up as thier only reason for anything (which is too often the case) and since that is thier last hope of remaining in thier fairytale world, I then bring up Dr. Pauls reasons and ideas behind 9/11.
But usually I am engaged in arguments with people who already know my stance on Ron Paul, and I am free to express my own arguments about 9/11.
It's all about picking and choosing when to fight what battle. Not a hard concept and not worth dividing people over.
And lastly, yes the only time I have EVER heard that great man lie was whenever he has been asked about 9/11. AND I COULD CARE LESS IF YOU ARE OFFENDED. I know that he lies for the most noble of causes. And I forgive him.
Aku Soku Zan
What reason do you have to think that he's lying?
What makes you so sure that he actually believes 9/11 was an inside job?
You might want to revisit
You might want to revisit the most televised 9/11 question that was posed to Dr. Paul and carefully listen to his response.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
He says that he has abandoned those viewpoints which means that he held them at one point.
He follows that up by saying he doesn't believe that which could mean he doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job or it could mean virtually anything because the answer is not specific at all.
He says he does not endorse which does not mean he doesn't agree. To not endorse is only a declaration of not giving personal support to any efforts or statements.
The reason I believe that
When I first saw Ron Paul in the debates in SC I think against Ghoulianni. I heard the man speak and not only did his words ring true in my ears but I could also tell by the tone of his voice that he believed every word that he says. It was not the same when he was on Glen Becks show denouncing 9/11 truth.
That and Ron Paul is nobodies fool. Are you?
Aku Soku Zan
So you have zero evidence
that he believes 9/11 was an inside job except a gut feeling on your part. Case closed.
LG
If your point is to somehow bring me or anyone else who knows the truth over to your mis-informationist side... I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Also, I didn't realize there was a right and wrong answer here.
And what do I need evidence for?? I'm not putting RP on the record in front of congress. I'm not going to recieve a prize if he said it or didn't. Are you telling me that you don't listen to peoples words to tell if they are telling the truth or not? That would make you a bigger moron than you are making yourself out to be with your words.
Oh, and honestly it matters not if he has said it or not. What burns you up is that for all that you are paid to stay on this forum and try to disrupt and mis-inform, you are doing a horrid job. :)
Your points are all irrelevant. The truth is coming. And there isn't a damned thing you can do to stop it. Case closed.
Aku Soku Zan
I'm being paid?
LOL. Who is paying me?
Hey L.G.
I'll go ahead and give you the response you are looking for someone to elicit so no one else will feel bad or have to discredit themself through use of profanity.
FUCK OFF YOU PIECE OF SHIT.
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
LOL!
Grow up little boy.
LG you LOL alot
I bet it's a nervous laugh. You are the one who needs to grow up.
JMHO
Peace.
BTW...I'm still praying for you. It looks like I must pray harder.
How about I pay you a visit.
I'll show you how little of a boy I really am.
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Ooooh
I'm scared. High school dropout is gonna come hurt me!
No No.
College Graduate Cage Fighter who dosen't care about shills. Get it right if you are gonna try and insult me troll.
I am all for peace. But you don't want that now do you LG
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Always amazes me
When people want to threaten physical violence in the safety of a chat forum ? If your close enough to go at it for real I say do it like men and find an alley somewhere.
Remember back in the day?
People would engage in honest-to-goodness duels? That and tar and feathering, I'd be down if they came back...
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The "truther" movement is a
The "truther" movement is a clear psychological barometer of the level of distrust in the government. I think the distrust is warranted. In this case I believe it is directed at the wrong event, but there is nothing a truther is going to do to sway a non-truther or vice versa. Truthers do hurt Ron Paul's image, however, whether they think so or not. This is because they are in the minority and it's a firebrand issue. Most Americans do not believe their own government could do such a thing. I'm clearly not a truther, but what I'm saying is outside of even the merits of the argument itself.
Just to break up the sterio type
The "movement" is not made up of distrustful anti-establishment types. Although, I appreciate the loose admission of general government corruption, I don’t think there is a physiological predisposition at work here.
I was a government employee for 10 years, hardly the anti-establishment type. I am not disgruntled and liked the people I worked with. Plus, my Mom worked for the Dept. of Ed and I trust her implicitly (Although we argue about education more these days).
There were no adverse feelings directed towards big bad government. Until someone showed me the WTC 7. Then I weighed the merits of a multitude of questions. Listened to a number of documentaries on the subject and came to my conclusion.
For three years I was a "non truther" and another influenced me - I just wanted to know. If that makes me counter mainstream I'll take it. It's what lead me to Ron Paul, the Constitution, and fiat money and enriched my life that much more.
I agree, the 9/11 controversy does not hurt Ron Paul but it is not a numbers game. No matter how much you categorize supporters we have far in common then apart. We all want representatives with integrity, principles, and reasonable answers to problems; we want a honest money system, limited government, freedom of speech, free association, just wars and a government by the consent of the governed.
Blowback brings the brutality of our preemptive foreign policy to center stage. People can think about the actions of the CIA and the possible retaliation for assassinating elected leaders, funding of "friendly" dictators, and dominating the natural resources.
The CIA works for corporate thugs, blowback (exacting revenge)/let it happen/Intrigue /planned it: is two from one or one from the other. Blowback compounds responsibility and rejects the innocent victim suggestion. True planning and carried out is the most diabolical and historically probable but the reasons should reflect on actions and consequence.
Here are the stats
Time magazine reported in September 2006 that 36 percent of Americans believe the government was complicit in 9/11. A Zogby poll reported that 51 percent of Americans want Congress to investigate 9/11 further.
These are not minority numbers. It is not a firebrand issue. It is squarely on the front burner and getting hotter every minute. We want the truth. Nothing more nothing less.
Peace!
Do those 36 percent
know what the word "complicit" means?
You have no purpose
Don't you have anything better to do with your time then post this crap. Those are the poll numbers. Why don't you call all of them and find out for yourself.
Peace!
There is no doubt in my mind
that at least half of Americans couldn't tell you the meaning of the term "complicit."
and your point is? I mean,
and your point is? I mean, it's common sense here guy. There is enough evidence pointing to reasonable enough doubt to merit another investigation. Ron Paul has stated he'd like to see another investigation as well. So are you in or out with that part of his platform?
Do you know why Paul has said this?
It's because he wants to find out where the incompetence was. That's all. He's never said it was to uncover an inside job or given any reason to think that it was to uncover an inside job. This is something you have read into him without evidence.
LG speaks for RP
Projection, projection, projection.
It's to uncover the truth. Truth leads to more truth.
You are the pot calling the kettle black. Plain as day!
Peace!
Congratulations!!!
what a revelation.
Peace!
Interesting piece of
Interesting piece of information, take it for what you will.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
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