Our Biggest Obstacle to Winning
Posted May 6th, 2008 by Kevin Tuma
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Before we get too cocky, there is one big problem in the Internet Age we aren't dealing with--the Diebold voting machines.
It's true that time is on our side, politically, especially with user-driven content and Youtube, and we are gaining enormous steam with the public. But what good will that do if they can hack the vote and make the Ballot Box results dance on the head of a pin?
I still haven't figured out how Ron Paul is going to win the election, even if he manages to get the GOP nomination. As long as a significant percentage of the public votes using touchscreen machines with no paper trail, the Boss Tweeds can elect whomever they want.
How will we deal with this issue?
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The same way we are going to win the Republican nomination:
READ: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
The electoral college system, like the national convention, is an indirect element in the process of electing the president. The Constitution does not require the electors to vote as pledged, but 26 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require their electors to vote as pledged.
If our numbers are large, they can only fudge the numbers so much. It is very do-able. If the GOP can show we had record turnouts for the general election they can prove our vote count to a certain extent.
Also:
Nomination of electors:
Potential elector candidates are nominated by their state political parties in the months prior to Election Day. The U.S. Constitution delegates to each state the authority for nominating and choosing its electors. In some states, the electors are nominated in primaries, the same way that other candidates are nominated. Other states, such as Oklahoma, Virginia, and North Carolina nominate electors in party conventions. In Pennsylvania, the campaign committees of each candidate name their candidates for Presidential Elector (an attempt to discourage faithless electors).} All states require the names of all electors to be filed with the state's Secretary of State (or equivalent) at least a month prior to Election Day.
Disqualification of electors:
Under Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, no person holding a federal office, either elected or appointed, may become an elector. Under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, any person who has sworn an oath to support the United States Constitution in order to hold either a state or federal office, and has then later rebelled against the United States, is barred from serving in the Electoral College. However, the Congress may remove this disability by a two-thirds vote in both Houses.
Well, this last part is
Well, this last part is really interesting. Each of the meetups in a state needs to find out who these electors are, and make CERTAIN they have not rebelled against the US by condoning anything that may be construed as being against the Constitution, first. At the same time making sure none of them are any sort of congressman or federal office holder. Then, if there is no challenge there (if so we should strongly challenge) we should call them and invite them to lunch or something where we can explain about RP, hand them a book, or just otherwise let them know just who is is, only for their own edification. We can not try to force them to vote any way, just try to let them know who RP is. This seems to make the most sense to me. Believe it or not, today I talked to a Democrat friend of mine who lives in Orlando and guess what? Has never even heard about Ron. Not even the name. Of course, he is so down on Republicans after Bush, he hardly wanted to hear the word..lol
I hear ya
I went to a party last night and introduced two people to Ron Paul. They never heard of him: amazing.
One was a young legal immigrant from Italy who sees that we are headed for tyranny and has bought a condo in Puerto Rico because he knows the reality and can't believe the American "it can't happen here" mentality.
The other was a young Libertarian Republican who's family is very into politics and raised him that way. He is tired of the Constitution being ignored.
Neither of these had ever heard of Ron Paul. I figured last night I hit the mother load.
But this electoral plan can absolutely work and will.
ok, huge question
the diebolds are all on some sort of main frame? If one has access to that main frame, wouldn't they be able to actually moniter the votes? Depending on the answer to this I may have an idea, but would be afraid to just put it on the forum. (jail time isn't my idea of a good time!) What I need is the opportunity to talk to a computer/internet "nerd" that is trustworthy.
I have an answer
It would take at least three volunteers per precinct and they would have to spend a little bit of money each. We would need a website to coordinate them. I will volunteer my time. Hopefully other organizers would volunteer their time. It would be totally independent of the parties and bipartisan. We should be able to recruit help from all party members-just a group of ordinary citizens. I have been trying to drum up a team and get it started. If anyone is willing to work on the project, email me and tell me what you have to offer. I have contacted a couple of voting sites, but no return interest. I have contacted third parties. No return interest. I have approached a few people and received slight interest. I think it is the most important thing that needs to be done right now and we should be able to push it past the two party system. We need a head honcho, because I don't want to be the spokes person. I have time to give it, but it will need quite a lot of organizing and calling around the country and a big website to list all precincts and might have to be advertised-but maybe we could do it through our meetups and other blog sights for other candidates. Everyone should want to do it because no one trusts anyone. If we got opposition from the people who want to rig it, then it would be disgraceful and an embarrassment to them. Contact me through this site if you are ready to get this done and I will explain.
that AND years of
that AND years of conditioning the average Amercian has undergone in schools and by the media.
We've got a lot of work to do - but much less then when this started!
Lets keep on working
The same way we are going to win
the Republican nomination:
READ: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...
The electoral college system, like the national convention, is an indirect element in the process of electing the president. The Constitution does not require the electors to vote as pledged, but 26 states and the District of Columbia have laws that require their electors to vote as pledged.
If our numbers are large, they can only fudge the numbers so much. It is very do-able. If the GOP can show we had record turnouts for the general election they can prove our vote count to a certain extent.
Also:
Nomination of electors:
Potential elector candidates are nominated by their state political parties in the months prior to Election Day. The U.S. Constitution delegates to each state the authority for nominating and choosing its electors. In some states, the electors are nominated in primaries, the same way that other candidates are nominated. Other states, such as Oklahoma, Virginia, and North Carolina nominate electors in party conventions. In Pennsylvania, the campaign committees of each candidate name their candidates for Presidential Elector (an attempt to discourage faithless electors).} All states require the names of all electors to be filed with the state's Secretary of State (or equivalent) at least a month prior to Election Day.
Disqualification of electors
Under Article II, Section 1, Clause 2 of the U.S. Constitution, no person holding a federal office, either elected or appointed, may become an elector. Under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, any person who has sworn an oath to support the United States Constitution in order to hold either a state or federal office, and has then later rebelled against the United States, is barred from serving in the Electoral College. However, the Congress may remove this disability by a two-thirds vote in both Houses.
Good question..
How will we confirm accuracy when they tally up the votes?
the truth is... we don't even know if the past primaries were accurate.
They could steal this election - and what would we do about it?
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What would we do about it without being called "Paultards"?
This revolution just may have to get violent.
I don't see how we could
I don't see how we could prevent the election being stolen. If Ron Paul ran Third Party, there might be a higher chance of thwarting it, because Third Party voters, IMHO, would be far less likely to trust the machines.
But in any case, the elections are not clean. We must eliminate these machines...how can we achieve that?
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