WE MUST TALK ABOUT CONSPIRACIES AND "CONSPIRACY THEORIES"
Posted May 8th, 2008 by G Class Stat
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From the bombing of the Maine in 1897, to Pearle Harbor, to Nagasaki and Hiroshima... from WWI ---> League of Nations, to WW2 ---> United Nations..... from 9-11 to the NAU, from the SPP to the NWO. From CFR, Bilderberg, tri-Lateral Commision to the Bush's involvement in Nazi finances... From CIA to LSD, Osama to Obama, from Hilary to Foster, from GHB to J. Hinkly to MKUltra, from nazi propaganda techniques to hannity, oriley and rush, from communism to abortion, from crack cocain in the black inner cities to (my personal favorite)... Iran Contra. From the Amero to the Fed, From the bombs in the twin towers to the fact that there wasnt even a plane that hit the pentagon.... and literally thousands more...
We Need To Talk About Conspiracies Or We Will Never Understand What The World Is Coming To Or What Is Going On.
More than anything this website serves to teach. Not only to teach new comers to the revolution but those of us that already know one is happening. I come to this website FIRST now for what I consider important news. Then propagandamatrix (infowars) then drudge then world net daily.
More than anything this website serves to teach. My generation has been dumbed down, and imformation has been withheld, and we were taught wrong... now things that have been known for decades are just now coming to light... and many resist it because that is how we are programmed. We must enlighten them to the truth which is that there is a diabolic cabal hell bent on world domination.
Dr. Doom, Cobra Commander, Pinky and the Brain all rolled into one. they want one world government, one world currency, one world religion and one world order.
We need to talk about these things openly, candidly and without fear. If the Ron paul Revolution is to succeed... freedom must start here with the truth.
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Me too!
I find myself logging on to the DP first thing at the computer to see what's going on with the Ron Paul movement. Always looking for something possitive to happen that would restore real integrity in our governmental system. I don't trust our Federal Gov't no further than I could throw them. Congress is full of dishonest folks......everybody is on the take. Our system is design to encourage it! That's what Ron Paul is screaming.
"Money doesn't talk, it swears" - Bob Dylan
Objective view.
http://911research.wtc7.n...
This I can agree with.
I took you for a troll. I may be wrong. I can see where you are being objective and questioning to make sure that people have a sound argument.
I'll leave you be.
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All I am asking is that
you be clear when you are speculating. That is it.
Very well.
I agree entirely. For if you are not then you are easily able to be discredited. You are very easy to discredit so this fits you to a tee.
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Please discredit anything that I have said.
This is a challenge. If you can, I will clearly admit my mistakes.
I accept you Rhino
I don't try to discredit. I accept you and pray for you to wake up.
Go to the store. Read the bottles of water. They all have magnesium. Do you know why?
9 out of 10 dentists recommend Fluoride, yet it is poison, do you know why?
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
No I don't do you?
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STOP ASSOCIATING RON PAUL
Nobody is telling anyone here to stop talking about these theories...but just to stop associating Ron Paul with them. Throughout the campaign, the strongest weapon they had against Ron Paul were the supporters themselves being labeled as Truthers, Crazy, Theorists, etc...
The main goal is to get Ron Paul elected, so why create a reason to make it more difficult. I know a lot of you think you might know something that the rest of the world MUST know, but stop associating Ron Paul!!
These theories are too BIG so they will automatically get defensive and associate a negative wall towards the campaign.
We are not telling you not to speak of these conspiracies...but can't you at least wait until the election is over and Ron Paul is president?!!!
To JackHere:
I think where he is going with this is that it's predominately those who are actually AWAKE and see the BS and propoganda that are thinking for themselves..and are therefore Ron Paul advocates. It's not that Mr. Paul subscribes (at least publicly) to our way of thinking, but that those who have realized what's going on and want change are the truthers/Paul followers. Sorta like the movie "They Live": some folks can 'see' what's going on and take action...others are content to live as cattle.
I think we all know that the elections are bullshit, that there ARE NO Muslim terrorists, that the "attacks" on 9/11, Oklahoma, Trade Center, Embassy bombings, etc were orchestrated and carried out by our own people...the real question is: what are WE, the patriots, going to do about it? Can we all grab our deer rifles and storm the Capitol? We obviously can't "vote" the bad guys out, because the whole system is fake. This November won't be an 'election', it will be a coronation...of the person chosen by the CFR to be the next puppet in the Oval Office. WHAT CAN WE DO TO STOP THIS CHARADE!!??!!
Recently awakened, always vigilant.
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
NO, their greatest weapons
are fluoride, total control of main stream media and rigged elections,,,,,,,,,dont speak for me
I understand your reasoning.
But it's because we do not question authority that we are in this mess.
We must break this paradigm. 9/11 Official story is a lie. Because of that lie their is no end to what those in power can justify over a false claim of terrorism.
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Information that I want to put out here
I posted this in another thread too, because I want people to see it.
This is some information regarding 9/11 that I want to put out into public view. It could likely be in some video archives somewhere, and possibly even on the net somewhere.
If anybody could figure out a way to find this video documentation and run with this ball, something interesting might come of it.
Here is my account of what I saw on TV on the ABC Sunday Morning news show"This Week, with Cokie Roberts" on the Sunday after the 9/11 event. I'm fairly certain it was the ABC show "This Week, with Cokie Roberts", which was a popular Sunday morning news show on TV at that time.
I watched an ABC Sunday Morning News show the week after the event. Cokie Roberts had a "human interest story" going on, with an interview of a woman who was the CEO of a WTC-based company called Fiduciary Trust. She was questioned about how it must have felt to lose her employees, and where was she at the time of the event that she survived?
Her response was that she was at Offut Airforce Base in Nebraska, with Warren Buffet and many other top financial people, having a breakfast meeting!
Now, it just happens that Dick Cheney was also at Offut AFB that same morning, and that was the "command and control center" for the activities following the plane crashes. GWB flew from Sarasota FL to Offut AFB right after he was told about the crashes. All these people are just coincidentally at Offut AFB for some reason on the morning of the event.
Do financial people of the magnitude of Warren Buffet and the CEO of Fiduciary Trust(from the WTC), normally have "breakfast meetings" in the HQ of a military base, when the VP is also there? The AFB which coincidentally also served as the command center for locking down the country after the event?
I saw this interview with my own eyes on TV. It is probably somewhere in some video archives somewhere, and it might be accessible to someone who knows how to find and access it.
I have never seen any replay of this video of the TV show, and never seen anyone else reference it for information. It is possible that I'm the only one that even remembers this show, that is making any connection to the 9/11 issue. I think it's important that others know this and can look further into it.
Big T
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At the bottom. This subject is discussed.
A lot of questions. No answers.
Wow you are following him everywhere.
So I will follow you. And point out what it is you are doing rhino.
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What am I doing?
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What am I doing?
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Let's deal in facts, not theories.
They make the argument for freedom better.
Let's take the grandaddy of conspiracies, 911. It would be prefectly legitimate to ask about the government story, since you could show many facts that leave questions. BUT when you start speculating on why there are these seemingly unexplainable facts, it becomes theory. First work on determing what the real facts are. Once you buy into a theory, and accept only those facts that go along with the theory - you are in the realm of religion.
Its at this point that all of the craziness starts. And that's when you get the bad reaction from the general public, when you seem like a religious nut promoting your pet theory.
I've got a fact for you..........
No one can produce a single picture, moving or still, of a commercial airliner in the same frame as the Pentagon. Why? Because there wasn't one.....And another Fact for you: The Pentagon just happens to be most security surveyed building in the WORLD.....what? No picture. Like you say, just the facts. Sticking your head in the sand is just what they want!
Truth crushed to earth shall rise again
Sorry to harp on the subject, but the airspace of the U.S. Military Command Center (the Pentagon) was somehow violated on 9/11/2001. I have never personally been profited with an explanation for this breech, except perhaps the 9/11 Commission's catch-all excuse that it was a "failure of imagination." Neither have I ever been privy to an explanation as to how this "problem" has been rectified--or indeed that it has been rectified. I would be honored to witness an apologist of the official fairy tale to even attempt to answer these glaring questions.
They expect us to believe that the U.S. Military Command Center would not conceivably be a target of "terrorists" or other enemies before 9/11? They take us for fools.
A trillion-dollar-per-year global military empire expects us to believe that they are simply victims of the height of incompetence? I say that it is the height of arrogance.
What sense is there in fighting "terrorism" overseas if the U.S. Military Command Center can be attacked so readily and with such precision? I'd say about as mush sense as fighting "terrorism" overseas while our borders are wide, wide open.
"Truth crushed to earth shall rise again." -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
That there was no airplane
is a theory - the "no photgraph" fact can be explained in many different ways.
How long was the plane in a position where it could have been photographed ?
There were a number of eyewitnesses that claim they saw the plane.
there were parts of the plane found and photographed shortly after the crash.
So ? how does your theory hold up ?
Mine's not a theory, mine's a fact
No Picture of a commercial airliner in the vacinity of the most heavily photographed building in the world. Not one Picture......no satellite picture, no tourist picture, no "official" picture, no google picture, no FAA picture, no television newstation picture, no picture whatsoever........and until one is produced......I don't buy into the gov't bull. A lumbering commercial airliner flying low enough to plow into the Pentagon, especially flown by an amature would have been real easy to spot, especially with an "attack on America" in full swing. I think I could have dropped what I was doing, and walked into the house, find my Kodak, load film, fiddle with it a while, and still go out capture a few shots. Feel free to believe if you want too, there's not much we can do about it anyway.
And No Video
Taken from the gas station that was confiscated by "apparent" FBI agents within hours of the "Crash". No Titanium Engines which, traveling at 400-600 knots. wold have punched large holes in the facade of the building and would have (because they always do) survived with the majority intact.
Fact NTSB has supplied supposed flight data recorder data which in no way coincides with their commission report. Both show different flight paths and the FOIA released data shows the plane a few hundred feet off the ground and completely unable to impact the building and no where near the light posts that were on their sides.
**We cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. **
- Edward R. Murrow
Of course it is a fact
assuming there is not a photograph somewhere we don't know about. but
I didn't say otherwise. There is a video showing a blury object hit the pentagon.
I am questioning your theory explaining why there is no photograph. Since there are other facts that seem to contradict your theory.
These are also facts.
-numerous eyewwitnesses claim they saw a plane hit the building.
-there was identifiable plane debris found after the building was damaged.
The official rendition is just too fishy
Even the big twin towers, which were supposedely heated to such a degree that the steel beams gave way. There are photographs of people standing in the gaping holes where the plane went in, yet it was hot enough to melt the steel? No way. And I still can't get over Bush not wanting to investigate the act. Remember that? It took a lot of hellraising to get him to even launch the watered down investigtion. That alone, made me suspicious that something was rotten in Denmark. The largest loss of lives on US soil by a "so called" attacker, and our Commander in Chief doesn't even want to look into it.........come on.
I'm not saying there is not some fishy stuff
I'm saying you have to be very careful what you call fact, and what you call theory and speculation.
does the order still stand sir?
v.p. cheney...of course the order still stands, have you heard anything to the contrary? ( during the norad standdown timespan)
Its not clear what order he was talking about
Or why - there needs to be more detailed information to draw any conclusion from.
what conclusion
did i state?
None, I didn't say you did
I'm just saying that the fact of cheneys statment is vague, since it is not clear what he was talking about, and therefore you can't use it to draw a conclusion.
what i cant figure out
is why you wouldnt question it
FACT 1: 4 plane crashes - not one seat found
FACT 2: Office chairs next to the crash are recognizable at the Pentagon
FACT 3: 2 telephone poles taken out before hitting the Pentagon
FACT 4: No airplane in history striking a single telephone pole and knocking it down has continued on in tact to tuck its wings into a building.
FACT 5: No aircraft crash in history that has been sorted has not left some remains of a passenger seat if the debris is fully accessible (i.e. the Pentagon).
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
How do you know that there were no seats found ?
From the pictures ? That's not really good enough because the pictures available are not a complete record of the debris. I'm not sure how you would determine if this was a fact, short of finding a list of the recovered debris. There is also the problem of defing what you mean by "a seat" does it have to be completely intact, or just a big part. Plus, do we have records of debris from every other plane crash (particularly high speed crashes) showing there were always seats remaining ?
do your homework
instead of sitting here bitch slapping us,,,reach deep and find that spot known as an open mind then sit down and watch loose change....otherwise spare us your pat babble...why the hell you are so determined to defend one of the most corrupt governments to exist on our earth,,,tells me you are afraid of the truth
See you can't prove there were no seats found.
You just heard it on the intarweb somewhere and accept it as fact, cause it fits your preconceived theory.
I'm just trying to educate people on the scientific method, so that you can come to a reasonable conclusion that people will listen to instead of the religious babble that most people spout.
People say lots of things are facts, but never verify anything, or they mistake theories from facts, and don't bother testing their theories.
I'm not making any claims, I don't have to prove anything.
I'm not defending anybody, I'm only defending the scientific method.
and you gather your facts
from main stream media,,,,wow, thats a step up
These may all be facts
But I do not see clear cut evidence in such facts. And I know that every one of those facts are disputed by many.
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These are all facts
I do see clear cut evidence in such facts. I know that many of these facts have tried to be discredited by people who are benefiting from the lie.
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Why do you think they are facts ?
What information did you draw on to verify that there were in fact no seats found ?
As for seeing evidence, that relates to a theory, not a fact, and I'm not interested in speculation.
They Are Facts
That when combined mean - IMPOSSIBLE.
Look at the photos.
I don't have the answers, I won't pretend I will, but to put my trust in government, I think I'd rather kill. - Jason Cruz
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
BUT EVEN IF EVERY CONSPIRACY WAS/IS TRUE.....
WILL THAT GET DR. PAUL ELECTED?????
We are gathered here to solve the endless bullshit the government is shoving down our throat by GETTING DR. PAUL ELECTED!!!
THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH TIME IN A DAY, SO MUCH THAT ONE CAN DO.....And while its fun/exiting to learn about how the government allowed pearl harbor, etc... this does not solve anything. It does not protect our liberties....
However....when we get Ron Paul elected as the next President of the United States....then we will have accomplished something....
there is a website that has been around that is primarily designed for conspiracy stuff
http://prisonplanet.com/
(I am sure there are better forums here for that )
Sure might get him elected
sure should get him elected, if everyone learns about it in time.
can we turn the table in a rigged electorial process
well, you cant do it without us for sure,,,,its only when we wake up enough to question our reality can we become outraged enough to stand up to the elite,,,,i believe they murdered over 3000 of our fellow Americans,,,,shameful how some come here and waste time bickering with us, it is their duty as an American to uphold the Constitution and demand justice be done,,,,,i tire of people who post the same old tired arguements over and over,,,,they could have used the time to watch loose change, or endgame, or to learn what the eugenics program is,,,or MKULTRA, or the gulf of tonkin incident, or who killed JFK,,,,not bitch slap us all day,,,,now readjust, check yourself and do your homework,,,,shameful to the dead souls this government has murdered,,,absolutley shameful
The Truth is My Shield
The truth is, and you can ask Doctor Paul himself:
All I know is I don't know, and neither do you unless you were involved in the attack.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
Correct ...
We do not know what happened. Thank you. Genghis.
But we have a real
Good idea that everything about the official story is total Bull Shit. As well as the many freedoms lost and wars that have been started over lies.
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my car wont start
Am I out of gas? battery cable unhooked?, did I not shut the hatchback hard enough? Or do I have a flat? Must not jump to conclusions, guess i will wait on someone else to tell me why? I will never know unless I check it out Huh? Some would tell me what happened without looking at it. Some will say it is running fine. Duh
Yes, yes,yes
a thousand times yes.
If the gov did something
If the gov did something good, they would always show it, like when they do a charitable thing, the veil of secrecy is used to hide something bad, is it not logical? And how much information has been blocked by the supposed need for secrecy? A lot. When a truth is revealed, has it been something good or bad? I am of course talking about gov actions.
Keep this in mind while studying the truth
The majority of what is out there including websites you list is DISINFORMATION.
When your read about something keep in mind that the majority may be truth with one little lie mixed in. This what they do.
The lie needs to be defined so you can keep the truth and throw out the lie.
Most of the people who are able to "get their message out" online work for them.
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