Question for Christians: Canvassing on a Sunday?
Posted May 11th, 2008 by JohnGalt300
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So, I am about to canvass a community of christians for James Hogan, new jersey's sixth congressional district. Anyway, is it not cool to do it on a sunday? I dont know.
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The true sabbath day
is Saturday, I think Christians follow this rule. Sunday is just the first day of the week for Christians. You should be ok. Keep up the great work.
Prove it.
Show me that God started creation on a Sunday.
Oh, that's right, that myth was written before we went to a Gregorian calendar.
See my point about keeping ALL days holy below.
Exactly
Sunday is not the Sabbath Day, as the Bible states that the Sabbath Day is the “seventh day”. Since the Julian Calendar and the Gregorian Calendar both have seasonal error over time which must be corrected through leap days and years not only every four years, but also every four hundred or so years and every three thousand or so years, it is impossible to ascertain what current calendar day (e.g. Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday, etc.) corresponds to the actual “seventh day” of the Bible.
In the New Covenant, Christ is our actual Sabbath Rest, the Reality that the mere “shadow” of the Sabbath Day was pointing towards, cf. Col 2:16, 17 and Hebrews 4: 9-12.
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Point...
if you're going to take the time to make a particular religion the basis of your life, then please at least take the time to research it...lol
Every day is a great day to canvass
Christian extremists might not appreciate it.. but those are few and far between and seem to be hardliners and unchangeable in their thoughts and ideas unless you are their Cult Leader. Many Christians will probably be relaxed and open to talking.
Sunday is ressurection
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I canvass on Sunday evenings
I find it's a good time to catch people at home who never seem to be around on weeknights. No one's ever complained about being bothered on a Sunday. I'm skipping today, though, because it's Mother's Day.
Doesn't matter
If you buy into the 7-days creation myth in the literal sense (I don't), then in order to determine what day is the Sabbath, it is necessary to account for calendar fluctuations (Gregorian mods, conversion from Julian, etc.) as you work backwards, and then you need to figure out which of the modern seven days God started creation on. For all we know, the seventh day of creation could be the modern Wednesday! I highly doubt that is possible without a time machine.
So the answer then is to treat every day as if it is holy and do your best no matter what!
But in the practical sense, do it in the afternoon when everybody is home from church.
I buy into it
and I am happy to say that I do. I prefer to believe I was created in the image of God than that I evolved from pond scum. I have a much better self image, ;0)
I believe you are to do what you believe to be the right thing to do. So, if you understand and follow that Saturday is the seventh day, then that's the Sabbath. It is interesting that in so many languages the name for the seventh day is Sabbath or rest. Where did all of these languages come up with that?
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Obviously you missed the point, so I'll restate it:
We have no way of knowing which day on the calendar is actually the Sabbath, so keep them ALL holy to avoid being wrong.
If you get offended that I don't buy into a scientifically impossible myth, tough. Until I get a postcard from the flipside, I'm gonna stay with science over wishful thinking.
I don't believe I said
I was offended. I am never offended by what you believe, but perhaps how you treat me. I was just clarifying what I believe to be correct, based on the information that I have.
So, as a scientist myself with two postgraduate degrees, I have actually found that it seems more scientifically impossible that I evolved from pond scum than that I was created in the image of God.
Take care.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Self image?
Your self-image depends on an imaginary friend, and that's better in your view than being the result of millions of years of natural selection?
Fascinating.
-jcr
Who are you to say
my friend is imaginary? Have you walked in my shoes for 51 plus years? Have you been where I have been and done what I have done? No. So, don't assume I have an imaginary friend. If you do not experience God or know Him personally, then don't assume that I have an imaginary friend. Your experience is not mine.
Yes, my view is better than believing that I have no purpose and this is as good as it gets. Hitler would then be right and eugenics is ok, because there is no truth or morality; we are just pond scum and the one with the most toys wins.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Healthnut do you know Tim McHyde?
I think you would appreciate his book/site -
http://www.escapeallthese...
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MissDavenport
Thank you for this interesting link. I read through quite a bit of it. It all seems rather overwhelming but I am open to new things. I do not agree with any of the rapture theory and so much of that. I have heard different views of Daniel and Revelation and how they tie together. I am interested in how he sees the world religions and how they play out in the end time prophecy of a one world religion.
When I get a few extra dollars I plan to buy this book and Ron Paul's book. Right now, I am learning to live on a lot less than I have in the past and God is teaching me how to budget better, ;0)
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Yes thanks I want to get RP's book too.
p.s. Your two verses are two that are always running through my mind, ever since I was little.
p.p.s. No, Tim is quite in line with what you believe I think, he is NOT pre-trib rapture...I learned a lot about how believers will be moved and protected in safety from the trib...all scriptural and very enlightening. Basically our churches have hidden all this wonderful info from us lo this many years...we will not ascend before the trib, but God willing we will be protected from it.
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No... the Sabbath is Saturday...
Christians don't observe a Sabbath (Seventh Day Adventists do... not sure what they believe in)... when the Son has set you free, you shall be free indeed... however, Sunday is a special day of the week to worship and fellowship with friends and family... the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath... so taught Jesus. There are some who will teach otherwise... they are no different from the Pharisees during the times of Jesus.
The Sabbath
is a blessed day of rest and is a sign between Yahweh and His people. Saturday is the seventh day of the week (look it up in your encyclopedia), also it was ordained at the beginning, reafirmed in the wilderness and upheld by Yahshua in the N.T.
Sin is the transgression of the Law, the Sabbath is part of the Law ( The Ten Commandments). Anyone who calls themselves a christian but knowingly continues in sin is not a true christian.
Sunday is a day of worship brought in to christian doctrine from paganism so they wouldn't be seen as Jewish.
Funny how people who read and believe scripture, instead of Papal doctrine, are refered to as Pharisees, Legalists or "Stuck in the Old Testament".
The Sabbath was made for man
You got that right. Sabbath is a blessing, not a curse. It is not something forced on us but something looked forward to. It is a day of rest and fellowship and communing with God, family, and nature. It is a day to avoid the secular because that intrudes on our peace and time with God. God gave us the Sabbath commandment with "Remember the Sabbath Day." It is funny how that is the one commandment we all forget because the "Son has set you free." Has the Son set you free to idol worship, use the Lord's name in vain, lie, steal, murder, covet, commit adultery and dishonor your parents? Well, of course not. Then why has He 'see you free' from honoring the Sabbath day that He said to remember?
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Falacious argument...
I'm not free to murder... that would be harming others... who do I harm if I work/canvass/watch a ball game on a Sunday?... not that work/canvass or watch a ball game on a Sunday (I would, say, work if I have to meet a unexpected deadline), but I would not point a finger at those who do...
Who do you hurt?
Well, no one but yourself because you would be robbed of the Sabbath blessing.
But we are talking about two different things here. The 10 commandments are split into two. The first four are man's duty to God and the last six are man's duty to man. Because we affect others, the last six can be something that the government may make and enforce laws about. But the first four are between me and God and no one has any business what I do about those. So, the Sabbath commandment is only something that can be viewed as important by someone who believes in the God who instituted the Sabbath. If you do not, then it is unimportant and that is up to you. We are talking here about a discussion of whether the 10 commandments are relevant or not, and if they are then all of them are relevant to a person who believes in the Author. So, this may not be a relevant discussion to you.
This was a big issue for our Founding Fathers. Roger Williams, and others, throughout time have said our relationship with God is our own business, not the governments. But in things that affect others, then it is the responsibility and right of governments to determine what to do about that.
God bless.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Thanks...
... each to his own, but I now understand you position better.
I hope this forum
is about sharing ideas and information, as well as getting the message of freedom out. In sharing these things we learn to appreciate each other more, despite our differences. We also understand different viewpoints.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
What is Sabbath?
What does Sabbath mean?
And if it means rest, that how dow you define rest?
And if rest means the absence of work. . . .how does the Bible define work?
I think if we are meant to no work on the Sabbath then perhaps we should no specifically what work is. How does the Bible define work?
You sound like
You sound like Bill Clinton asking for the definition of sex... : )
The Sabbath was instituted at creation
When God was finished with creation on the seventh day He rested. That was the Sabbath. This rest is a day of recreation and reenergizing. God did not have to rest but it was an example to us, His creation. Our weekly cycle has nothing in the planets and stars from which it was created; it is all from creation. It was not instituted and given to the Jews on Mt. Sinai, it was instituted at Creation. Anyone who does not rest from their regular duties every seven days, misses out on a Sabbath blessing and soon burns out and becomes ill. What is work? That has always been the great debate and led to such legalism. To me it is anything that is my routine labor (employment, education, housework). I also want to avoid having others work for me on that day. But, the spirit of the day is one of rest and refreshment and having time with God and loved ones to reconnect. It is also a day to help others and minister to them and show them God's love. In the Bible God showed over and over again that we would be provided for even more if we kept the Sabbath.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
Excellent answer
I wanted to say I appreciate your comments. They are honest.
I read what you were referring to regarding the Seventh Day of Creation and God resting on the seventh day. I am sure Noah and Abraham kept the Seventh Day as a day of rest.
My question is. . . .when Moses received the commandment at Mt. Sinai does the method of observing the Seventh Day as Sabbath differ between Jews and Non-Jews? In other words,
I submit Exodus 31:14-15. In this verse a specific work is mentioned that is liable for a penalty. My question is, what type of work is liable in this case?
You mentioned the question, what is work?
You have a definition as routine labor.
What if someone does not have a job for the six days of the week and has a trust fund. If he chose to work on Sabbath then he would be doing an action outside of his routine. So in his case, your definition would infer that going to a job does NOT constitute work. However, in your case going to a job IS work.
So based on your definition the action is not work but the intent to act is. Is that correct? So if one thinks of stealing yet does not steal, has he commited theft since the intent to steal exists?
Any comments are welcome.
These are great questions
I love to think about these things and try to explain them, from my heart. I certainly don't have all of the answers but I know I love my Lord so I try to share my understanding.
I think of Sabbath as a day to spend with God, like a date. In order to develop a relationship with anyone you have to spend time with them. Sure you can talk to them on the phone each day in between running errands or even kiss them good night; but to really connect with them and experience their love, you need to spend time with them. On a date with your beloved you don't go to work or do your vacuuming, you don't go shopping or study for a test. Think about what you do do. You listen to them and find pleasure in them. You set aside everything that would distract you, even a football game, to just focus on that person.
I believe whatever truly draws you closer to God and helps you to know Him better is probably keeping the Sabbath the way He intended you to. In the Bible God was reprimanding the Jews for not keeping the Sabbath because it was a true indication of their spiritual condition. It showed that they had lost their love for Him and other things were more important.
When we do keep the Sabbath, our date with God, we receive the blessing of tremendous peace and are not anxious and stressed about things the way others are. I feel sorry for people who have not learned how to keep the Sabbath and miss out on that.
I don't know if Noah or Abraham kept the Sabbath the way the Jews were instructed at Mt. Sinai. It doesn't say exactly, does it? But I believe they must have done something like it because they must have had a day that they worshiped God and fellowshipped. Also, I believe the Jews were faintly aware of the Sabbath commandment when it was given to them but they had completely forgotten it when they had been in bondage for 400 years. Just my thoughts.
Healthnut4freedom
"Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths." Proverbs 3:5,6
i mean like
Fortune Favors the Bold
not for me, obviously I don't personally care, but for them, because it's their sabbath, is that offensive? I would appreciate some insight.
I'm a Christian
and I would not have a problem with someone canvassing my neighborhood on a Sunday...to my knowledge there is nothing in the Christian religion against having intellectual conversation on Sundays...there also seems to be a goodly number of Christians on DP on Sunday weekends : )
I will say this.
If a sheep is lost from the flock on the sabbath , would you not go out and look for it?
Time is running out.