UPDATED : May 12 : My new standard of responding to the negative comments about myself and our goals
Posted May 11th, 2008 by SGP
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Many of you know what has been happening lately when ever i post a new thread on any forum.
I am no longer going to comment to any of these people that i have seemed to attract as of late to set the example that even I can change for the better.
I myself have acted in a very immature way at times mostly due to frustration; howver, that is no excuse and never should have heppened.
We must find a way to unite and work together or we will fail.
Our focus now is on the positive things we can accomplish together and ignore the people that claim we are wasting our time.
You will notice it is the same 5 or 6 people that seem to find my comments and take over the post.
We are starting a new project that will provide information on how to retake congress as well as delegate information for every party to educate every american on how to become involved in their local parties.
I will support Dr. Paul long after this election is over and i would hope all of you will do the same.
I will no longer waste time on these very few select people again so we can all move forward on what needs to be done.
We are going to focus on obtaining the nomintaion in September for Dr. Paul and bringing news and information to the people.
We are already starting a new site that will focus on how we can take back congress in 2010 which will focus on Ron Paul platform candidates and help people take back 1 district at a time if we must.
Our efforts will not be distracted and our efforts will continue to show positive results for this country.
I want to make this completely clear : I do not own www.revolutionbroadcastin... myself it is owned by all of the hosts of the shows as well as the people who donate to it. All monies donated and what we spend the money on is going to be completely available to our donors.
I am working with people from www.revolutionmarch.com who also happen to be the organizers and owners of www.revolutionbroadcastin... and there have been attempts to discredit them with extreme prejudice by the same people and this is wrong in every way.
When we march 100,000 people on DC in July will they claim that is an illusion as well?
Great thinkers have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
If we are to succeed we must not be afraid to fail, If we fail to try we will never succeed. Steve Parent 1987.
Dr. Steve Parent
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And on it goes.
And on it goes.
THIS B.S. IS RUINING THE DP!
THIS B.S. IS RUINING THE DP! Is that the purpose of this?? I've tried very hard not to post on this thread but just can't take any more.
LAURIE AND SGP.........go down through either of their posts and count the number "I" s you find. This equal's the Devils Constitution, for some of you with Bible knowledge. There is nothing good here for anyone accept the sick "I's" feeding their bloated ego's.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! All of you posting and keeping this s*** alive are killing this website. Start using your 'flag' and STOP this!
Divide and conquer.
I thought from the beginning that the main "result" of SGP and other ilk like them (for example the 9/11 "truthers" before him) was to cause division and strife... essentially divide the movement.
End result is that big portion of it to become so over-zealous, annoying, irritating, and detrimental to the long-term prospects of the movement that the other, calmer, saner half to simply stay home.
All of this has happened many times before, so it really shouldn't be surprising (and SGP is just a "symptom" of what typically happens... if it wasn't SGP it would have been someone/something else -- doesn't resolve him of being the cause of the division, especially with the immaturity, pettiness, and blatant disinformation... but there you have it).
BTW, it doesn't matter whether it "stops" or continues... it's already too late. Combined with an AWOL candidate and campaign (not that THAT really matters, the incompetence and "personal agendas" of the campaign leadership pretty much assured defeat anyway).
But regardless, the patient is already dead... straight-lined a while back.
Just my Daily Conspiracy Check
And what do you know? Laurie is still here bitching and moaning about SGP. I'm out of here for good. Can't take this bullshit any more. I'm sure more will follow as this crap continues to get worse. See you on RevolutionBroadcasting.com.
Uh oh, Laurie, this guy made
Uh oh, Laurie, this guy made a bad comment about you; it's time to barrage him with your usual 47,000 nasty posts --- you know, that rabid thing you do so well.
Received from RP's publisher *today*
This was a reply to my follow-up e-mail as to the *reading* of excerpts from RP's Manifesto and broadcast, yet again, by RevolutionBroadcasting.
Should I just "walk away"?
Note that there is no suggestion to me to contact RP's *agent*, Andrew Stuart, to find out whether permission had been granted as was posted that the same "Sarah Hecht" had done to "grant" such permission.
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:36:21 -0400
From: "Generic, permissions"
Sender: "Hecht, Sarah"
I do not handle any legal or audio matters. I have alerted the proper parties at Hachette to this and they will be taking appropriate action. In the future, please send any questions regarding this matter to:
Legal Department
Hachette Book Group USA
237 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10017
Best regards,
Sarah Hecht
In other words,
"Don't call us, we won't be calling you."
Laurie, you are the epitome
Laurie, you are the epitome of a foaming-at-the-mouth, obessive-compulsive, grade-A BITCH! And a perfect troll, by the way. You manage to pour so much bile into every post, I am starting to believe you must have a whole tanker full of it in your yard. Please piss off.
No need to explain yourself to me Steve.
You are a free man. Do what you need to do.
___________
Lisa C.
http://www.women4ronpaul....
Okeedokee.
A little too much self absorption there, buddy. I think you need to get yourself a hobby.
That's the problem...
F'ing up the RP movement *IS* his hobby.
He's an "UberTroll" !
Wow
What a stupid damn thread. I havnt posted here in so long. Is this what DP has become? 6 pages of this? Somebody already said it. We have become parodies of ourselves. Who cares about SGP? Anyone who causes this much trouble instead of inspiring to action shoudl be ignored and probobly banned. How about it Mike?
VTV - another liar in business with "Dr. Steve Parent"
I had no clue as to what VTV kept posting about my "insinuations", except that he sounded like "Dr. Steve Parent" and his "questioning motives".
Note VTV's comments vs. my legitimate post in reply to a thread topic on RPF (see below).
Think for yourselves - I don't see anything about the date being changed, just what the ramifications may be for some people *because* the date changed.
Obviously, VTV didn't want to post what was actually posted. He would rather post lies, just like "Dr. Steve Parent".
Based on all of VTV's hostile "additions" to this thread, should DP ban him just as RPF has done?
Should readers be flagging VTV's posts?
Since VTV posted on RPF that he was the one who broadcast the Manifesto audio on 4/29 *without legal permission to do so*, while "Dr. Steve Parent" appeared to "take credit" for that broadcast, ask yourselves:
Are these the type of people the RP movement think should be *unofficial* spokespeople for those of us who believe in RP's *ethics*?
On May 12th, 2008 VTV says:
Still dodging the comment you made about the revolution march, and dodging the fact that you are also Sally08?
On May 12th, 2008 VTV says:
When she insinuated that the Revolution March "changed" it's date from June 21st as if we had a choice in the matter and complained about people who won't be able to get refunds for plane tickets or hotels they reserved before the march had permits then yeah, that's pretty half-witted.
How can we make sure July 12th isn't another April 15th?
http://www.ronpaulforums....
What happened to 6/21 vacation plans?
It appeared that many of the very dedicated RP supporters immediately made plans with hotels and travel arrangements for the June 21st date.
Presumably, there are nonrefundable issues and/or reservation change penalties.
Additionally, if formal vacation time was requested from employers for 6/21, that may not be easy to change to 7/12, since many people may take the 7/4-7/13 off for family get-togethers. Those people may have made those reservations months ago, as well.
Does anyone have any idea whether those "early adopters" are simply planning on meeting each other on the June 21st date or whether they have changed all of their arrangements for 7/12?
Has the number attending the 7/12 date effectively been "split" with 6/21, already?
Giving the deteriorating economy in addition to the rapidly increasing costs of gas/switchover to even more expensive "summer" gas mixtures, can people in nearby states even afford the drive?
The airlines are already adding new surcharges to tickets due to the increased cost of fuel, as well.
You silly, silly obsessed woman.
Laurie, I admitted to re-broadcasting it from FreeMedianetworks, who was also playing it in segments to get people excited about buying the book and for educational purposes. I never lied about anything. Sad pathetic little girl.
If the post is Laurie or Sally08, make sure you take it with a grain of salt, or with some prozac. Because that is probably what you will need to recover from the lunacy.
VTV - as usual, sleight of "post"
VTV spreads lies about what I "insinuated" about the July 12th March.
I quote my actual post as evidence that I said no such things.
VTV's reply had nothing to do the July 12th March at all.
Instead, VTV simply substantiated my statement:
Since VTV posted on RPF that he was the one who broadcast the Manifesto audio on 4/29 *without legal permission to do so*, while "Dr. Steve Parent" appeared to "take credit" for that broadcast
Again, that broadcast of copyrighted material without permission was illegal.
And in both posts by VTV, on RPF and on DP, VTV links "Freemedianetworks" to that illegal act.
It appears that anyone who is "affiliated" with these people has their own reputations and projects put at risk. And that includes RP.
Did Freemedianetworks *host* the broadcasting from its servers? If not, who did? "SmartButton.com"?
Doesn't Ray Powell own VTV's northvirginiapatriots.com domain and host it on his SmartButton.com servers (per whois info)?
Doesn't Ray Powell also own the RevolutionBroadcasting.com domain and host it on his SmartButton.com servers, as well?
So is Ray Powell also legally liable for violating (very publicly) copyright laws by broadcasting the audio of the Manifesto *without permission to do so*?
Has Ray Powell's reputation been damaged by these business arrangements?
Should VTV have gotten legal advice about the ramifications of publicly posting his illegal activities?
Are those public admissions an example of VTV's being an "incredibly smart guy"? Are his posts in this thread?
After consideration
I am likely someone SGP might consider "one of six", which is the way he has referred to the "trolls" who stalk him about the forums. I have read posts on three forums, listened to radio broadcasts, spoken to the relevant parties in chatrooms, exchanged emails with some persons, and even heard about the "Steve Parent Delegate" phenomenon in person. I have seen some of the events firsthand that are often tossed about in such a debate on motives and personality.
Laurie, I have flagged your post.
I normally would not even post a reply as to why this was done, or even that it was done at all. It feeds into the ego-stroking image that I try to avoid, and I'm not trying to seem like a "good" or "bad" person or whatever else. I am posting because I would like all of this to end. Almost every citation you have posted has been from RPF. Many people are here because they do not want to be there, or are there because they do not want to be here. This forced union of posts is counter-productive. Some of us straddle the two forums and have to see the same filth in two locations.
Take all else aside. Assume *the worst* you've ever thought about SGP is true. Hell, assume VTV isn't even a real person! Assume these two are just the most evil, cruel people out to swindle trusting folks and to ruin the entire movement. OK. Now how, exactly, is *obsessively* following the poster(s) from forum to forum posting the same accusations of any help? Can you not quietly gather "evidence" and perhaps go about your way investigating these persons you believe are such a harmful influence? You need to take a very deep breath. Someone just coming to the "situation" would think immediately that SGP must be a saint, the way that you hound him.
Can you not address each post at face value for the information contained therein? Must you cross-reference? If so, then perhaps there is nothing wrong with the post itself. There are things materially wrong with the original post even in this thread. Does it do any good to point them out? Not really. Being overly optimistic (100,000 to the March? I can hope but there are factors that make me doubtful) and feeding one's ego are pretty common online, let alone within this movement.
Some people did buy tickets the moment they heard June. Know what? They learned a lesson to wait until a permit is actually issued. Tentative dates are just that, and it was always shown to be the case.
VTV is an incredibly smart guy, actually. He's not the devil. I know that, and don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but it deserves saying. He has poured his life into this movement. Steve Parent? Dunno the guy the same way. What I do know doesn't impress me. That settles it: Steve isn't invited over for a BBQ. I don't think I'm going to launch some sort of legal action, or some stalking smear campaign (which I've been accused of in the past). I think I'll just address his posts the way I address everyone else's. I've seen a lot of shady things from most people in this Revolution though. It's because it's made up of people. This is also (as a tangent) why I generally keep to myself... people suck.
Either way, the movement will truck on towards MN. I wish people would examine their behavior and maybe give it a little tweak here and there. Not responding to negativity is a great thought, but that'd be fighting human nature. I think "not responding to negativity *with negativity*" is a better goal perhaps? Respond with facts, when necessary... there's no shame in that in my opinion. Then again what do I know :)
Peace be with you. Reconsider your tactics, and this is coming from someone who shares *SOME* of your suspicions, but can put them aside and take each post at its value.
Melissa, have you flagged other posts?
Like the *obscene* posts?
Like VTV's total/hostile slams of RPF and its management?
Like the many personal attacks (*without* evidence) that "Dr. Steve Parent" has posted about me on *both* DP and RPF?
What does "troll" mean? On DP these days, that is almost an honor!
If "troll" means harming RP's reputation, is that due to me or is that what is happening to the delegates and those posts who recommend *not* using RP's name anymore due to the "tactics" that the delegates appear to be learning in "secret" *per* many "Dr. Steve Parent" posts?
Or does "troll" simply mean anyone who does not idolize the "delegate guru", regardless of his *subsequent* unethical-to-illegal behavior, from Chip-In TOS violations to illegal broadcasts of copyrighted material?
And, hey, d'ya think the cross-posting might have started *because* "Dr. Steve Parent" and VTV have constantly cross-referenced Sally08/Laurie? Blowback?
When VTV slams me several times in this thread based on posts in RPF, just how am I supposed to defend myself?
Melissa, given the fact that "Drsteveparent" and VTV are both banned on RPF, do you think I should post my continuing concerns there, when they can't defend themselves?
Melissa, have you even registered that my #1 concern is related to the many, many posts on both DP and RPF about the intentions to stage a "coup" at the RNC?
I was so concerned that I even wrote Ron and Carol Paul with *links* to the evidence to support my concern, as well as links to examples of how much posters want to *destroy* the GOP, which is definitely not what RP's request of "working within" intended!
Or do you think that RP should be blindsided by any such "coup" attempt by the grass roots?
NOTE: Win or lose, any such "coup" would be the headlines; the GOP nominee would be a footnote, even if it turned out to be RP!
Melissa, do you really think RP would even consider accepting the GOP nomination if he received it in such an unethical fashion?
If not, then shouldn't we all be doing what we can to *not* allow RP delegates to initiate the "coup"? Or should we all shrug our shoulders, "Not my problem"?
Isn't that what got our country into our current state?
Given the many, many posts about the way "RP delegates" are being mistreated by their state organizations, is that why all of those people worked so hard to become state delegates?
I can't even imagine going through the interrogations the MO delegates were forced to endure-
Melissa, when *you* were the one who posted (on both RPF and DP?) that "Dr. Steve Parent" had publicly posted the first/last names of contributors, why was that okay for you to do?
When you say, "Can you not quietly gather "evidence" and perhaps go about your way investigating these persons you believe are such a harmful influence?", what is the next step, when I have *already* posted that evidence?
FYI, people have offered to set up a Chip-in for a background check. Funny, though, that requires a "real name".
If I know *for a fact* that RP was *never* scheduled for a "live conference call with Ron Paul" on 4/24, should I just "walk away"?
Given my minor music recording background, should it matter to me that the audio of RP's Manifesto was *illegally broadcast*? Or should I just "walk away"?
For the record, I am in private contact with numerous "respected" members of both DP and RPF and there is a great deal of concern about what may happen between now and September (and beyond) *in relation to "Dr. Steve Parent"*, apparently quite a bit more than your level of concern appears to be.
Should we all just "move on"?
Is that what RP expects of us? Just "move on"?
If so, I have totally misunderstood the "message" that I thought we were supposed to be spreading-
I posted about RonPaulforums.com because...
My attacks on the moderators of RonPaulforums.com are completely justified. And from what I am learning I am not the first or last person who has been treated unfairly on that forum. It is a haven for trolls. And is governed by pathetic childish politics that make high school seem mature. Laurie, you seriously are in need of help. Get a shrink. Tell them about your obsessive behavior. Get on some good drugs for your condition.
If the post is Laurie or Sally08, make sure you take it with a grain of salt, or with some prozac. Because that is probably what you will need to recover from the lunacy.
Give it up,
Give it up, BITCH!
Unbelievable!
I have posted.
I generally just post info once. I flag all offensive or off-base posts. I include a detailed explanation of the situation. I have flagged plenty of people cursing and incoherently blasting you, just as I have SGP, or myself. I generally don't get too many personal insults here, though, as I don't *start threads* or *hijack threads* to go off-base. If an original post isn't about VTV, then why bring him into it? If a post isn't originally about SGP, then same question? Look at the original post.
I brought out the situation regarding the outing of real names during a request for money. That's a real, honest, relevant caveat. SGP has since apologized for the incident, as well. One can take that or leave it, as with anything else anyone says on here. My request and my point here... is that perhaps a more reserved approach would be far more effective than stalking around from thread to thread posting things not relevant to the original spirit of the post.
There is a great deal to do. I have no problem exposing disinfo or defending a friend or a project. I just make sure I devote far more effort to getting things done for Dr. Paul and, once Tuesday passes, even more done for Third Party access in this state.
I have been puzzled for a long time now. . .
about why people are so incensed to flood Steve Parent's comment lines with so much anger. If you don't agree with him, so what? who cares? Why do you?
The ones who go on and on and on criticizing him, I tend to wonder more about them than I do Steve. I've heard Steve, I've contacted him, I've had good interactions with him, he has done what he said he would do, I've heard his interviews, he has been helpful to create delegates, and even as importantly try to help them understand Robert's Rules of Order - which the GOP don't seem to understand themselves - and which are tricky to understand and anticipate how they might get used in actual real time events.
All of his efforts, as far as I've seen, have been positive. I have no reason to like or dislike him, only from what I've observed on this forum and on the radio stations. . .I'd say, thanks Steve for doing what you are doing. . .and I don't even need to know more about your personal life. . .it's your own actions that I am watching. And this recent declaration is far yet, your best idea. To ignor the nay-sayers and just let them cook themselves.
Yep.
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Camperk...
You sound like a sensible person and have posted a sensible and honest message. I'll give you my reason, FWIW, if you'll answer these simple 'yes' or 'no' questions:
1) do you believe that "Steve Parent" is his real name?
2) do you believe that he is a doctor?
'No' to either of these means that there is deceit going on here, and when somebody solicits money - especially from fellow RP supporters - along with being deceitful, then that's where I have a problem.
Thanks for your friendly dialog.
--BugMan
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
He solicited money on behalf of RevolutionBroadcasting.com
He solicited donations for RevolutionBroadcasting.com where volunteers are putting in hours of hard work to bring you good content. I can tell you first hand that I know he is in fact a doctor. And that the money donated to RevolutionBroadcasting.com has been spent to keep it up and running to give freedom minded people an alternative to the lamestream media.
I don't blame Steve at all for not wanting to give his personal information over the internet. I have no intention of giving you mine either. What I can tell you is that RevolutionBroadcasting.com is up and running and that the funds are being used to improve it. We see all the money and help decide what to spend it on to make the shows and site better.
That is from my personal expirience working with him. Not just reading stupid rumors on a forum. Seriously. Get your facts straight BEFORE you try to go after someone's reputation. Not when all you have is questions with no answers.
If the post is Laurie or Sally08, make sure you take it with a grain of salt, or with some prozac. Because that is probably what you will need to recover from the lunacy.
Thanks for your polite response BugMan. . .
First I would point to your Steppenwolf quote. . ."We don't know how to mind our own business 'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us."
You know, I honestly don't care if that is his real name, nor do I care if he is a "real Dr." I was a DJ for awhile in St. Louis, people a 2 hour radius from St. Louis could call me, could listen to me and all of us had "stage names" . . . He could be the radio Doctor, Doctor Steve, the man with the plan, the Doctor of Robert's Rules. . .and you know, if he starts an actual radio station that can be heard on the internet - around the world - and he has! I think that is cool, period. I know I haven't done that. And if the radio station actually materializes, which it has, and I had the money, I would send him some. I'm just squeeking by myself as an artist in this strange economy. . .but "Dr. Steve" has given us interviews on radio stations, he has helped people become delegates and helped them AFTER becoming delegates. I see positive things happening.
If you don't want to trust anyone in your life, that's your own deal. I find that I don't have the time to ferret out EVERYTHING THAT SOMEONE SAYS. . .and I trust (sometimes too much) but after awhile, I always find out whether or not that trust was misplaced. I always find out, the answers do come to me, and once I learn that someone is unquestionably an untrustworthy person, then I withhold my trust, and my money, and my support, and friendship. But. . .
altho I've had hard lessons at times, I've not regretted the trusting that I gave. The fact that my trust was misused, falls on them.
So far, I don't see anything to distrust "Dr. Steve Parent" for. But that is just my own opinion. I don't need him to be just like me. cuz, thar just ain't anybody like me out there! I'm an essentric artist, and so far I've not found a cure for that! ha ha ha
I just wish people could lighten up and flow down the river instead of always pushing against anyone who annoys you. . .we have much bigger things to worry about, and I think we will need all of us working together to get our points across to make a better country, by seeing that our elected officials start following the constitution!
That's cool Camperk..
Sure DJs have stage names, but in that case we know it and there's no deception. But hey, as long as you don't mind the deception that's cool!
I really feel that when somebody pretends to be somebody they're not, and solicits money from me and my friends, it should be my business. Guess we'll disagree about that.
Onward and forward to MN! Maybe we'll see y'all up there and have a beer together.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
Please provide proof or stop with the libel.
Do you have proof that he is lying about his idenity? I hear that he has not proven his idenity to your satisfaction. But I have yet to hear you give any proof that he is lying.
Hopefully things will $tart to break for me $oon . . .
ha ha ha
Things seem to be in a vice-grip of tension lately. A few things are starting to lighten-up for me, and I'd absolutely LOVE to come to Minnesota, or go to the March in DC. . .it will all depend on the dough. If I can go, I'll let you know and hope we can find a bar that serves Guinnes. : )
I can appreciate your perspective also, BugMan. . .but if you are not ready to give money to him, don't. Just watch and see if what he does pans out, and if and when you see enough one way or the other, you can participate or not. He has been hit with a LOT of hostility, and persistant anger. . .if I were him I'd be reluctant to tell anyone on this forum ANYTHING about myself!!!! So just watch and wait if you aren't sure. But for myself, I don't want to add to the hostility.
Very well Put! ...
Bravo!
Sanity....
Sanity....
This is a sad joke
Dr Steve, and I don't really think you are a docor, quit bumping your threads 20 times a day. Stop posting false information on the delegate process. There's a reason you have been banned on RPF and you still haven't given us an intelligent response as to why that happened.
DailyPaul is a place for Ron Paul supporters to educate others and share news about our freedom movement, not promote our self-serving interests. I am saddened that this place is turning into a parody site, and I apologize that I contributed to this madness (even though I was joking). I apologize to everybody I responded to.
Dr Steve is dividing us. Dr Steve is a joke. Dr Steve is liar. Dr Steve is many negative words that I will not lower myself to print.
Awwww man....
You got me! Can't believe I fell for it. Good one!
"Dr." BugMan
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
Been waiting a LOOONG time to weigh in on SGP...
CONGRATULATIONS! You've learned to be a discerning and mature individual instead of reacting like a butt-hurt little baby whenever someone disagrees with you.
Welcome to adulthood! Welcome to the Internet!
Seriously though, can we end the flame war against this guy? Outside of his TLDR posts, multiple reposts, and infinite self-bumps, he just seems to be over-passionate. Nothing wrong with that.
Go SGP! Keep fighting. (Just quit fighting us, ok?? We're on the same side.)
Seriously WP,
"Seriously though, can we end the flame war against this guy? Outside of his TLDR posts, multiple reposts, and infinite self-bumps, he just seems to be over-passionate. Nothing wrong with that."
If that were all that was happening, I'd agree with you and leave it alone. The truth is, however, that this person pretends to be what he is not (doctor), he pretends that he uses his real name but does not, but worst of all, he is setting up a major scam that will drain dollars from better causes, i.e. Ron Paul candidate campaigns. As one who has invested a lot myself for Ron Paul, I refuse to let a scammer get by with this crap.
Respectfully,
"Dr." BugMan
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
AGAIN. PROVE IT.
Again, prove it. As I happen to work on the project you are so concerned is draining dollars I would love to see you prove it. Not daring you to because I have something to hide. Just sick and tired of hearing people say they know for sure he is not a doctor, not Steve, and is planning a scam. But not one SHRED of actual proof.
"If the post is Laurie or Sally08, make sure you take it with a grain of salt, or with some prozac. Because that is probably what you will need to recover from the lunacy."
Really?
I didn't know it was that bad. My only exposure to this Steve Parent guy has been through daily paul...What else has been going on?
WP...
Thanks for your civil discussion. I won't rehash all the dirt on SGP, you can find that easily enough, but let me just ask you these simple questions, as I asked the joker #1 fan earlier:
1) do you believe that "Steve Parent" is his real name?
2) do you believe that he is a doctor?
If you can answer no to either of these questions, then that's really enough isn't it? A 'no' to either question shows that there is deceit going on here, doesn't it?
I honestly believe that 'no' is the right answer to both of these, mostly because I've asked him directly and he ignores the question. If I'm wrong I'll apologize, but he sure has not given any evidence to the contrary.
I'm not out to bash anybody for no reason, who's got time for that! But I'm not about to stand by and let this obvious egomaniac get away with what I believe he's trying to get away with.
thanks again,
BugMan
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
More divisive inaccuracies of SGP
From my understanding, only one of those who are seeking the truth about you has said ANYTHING negative about the march.
Your "extreme" exaggeration is a continuation of the rhetorical/evasive style which discredits you
I am saddened that people do not see the divide and conquer tactics of "The Parent Trap"
Once again, There is no "Steve Parent"
No such person. It's a pseudonym that a liar is using.
Does anyone have ONE SHREAD of evidence proving that "Dr. Parent" is who he says he is?
No they do not. Nor can anyone demonstrate otherwise.
IF you can, POST your evidence!
PROVE IT!
Do you have ONE SHRED that he is not who he says he is? Seriously.
"If the post is Laurie or Sally08, make sure you take it with a grain of salt, or with some prozac. Because that is probably what you will need to recover from the lunacy."
Yup... he's actually my neighbor's dog...
And he some how figured out how to use his owner's laptop.
Which *I think* makes him some kind of LAPtopDOG... (grin)!
Of course no one on the intertubes REALLY knows he's a dog (that's the beauty of it, no?)
Have you tried to contact Dr Steve?
It's not that hard. If you need help in the delegate process, get in touch. Many of us have learned from Dr Steve. I heard him on revolutionbroadcasting.com several times sharing his knowledge. Or was his voice fake, too? Am I being fooled by an illusion? I've been on conference calls with Dr Steve through my meetup, was that an illusion as well?
Why don't you post your evidence against Dr Steve, rather than acting like he is guilty until proven innocent.
#1 SGP fan
I respectfully and honestly ask these questions of you. They are simple, yes or no questions:
1) do you believe that "Steve Parent" is his real name?
2) do you believe that he is a doctor?
3) are you really Steve Parent yourself?
Thanks in advance for your honest answers. I invite other supporters of SGP to answer these as well. He certainly will not, as he's been asked many times. Simple yes or no questions.
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
BugMan
After exhaustive research on this subject, my answers to your three questions are, and without a doubt,
YES!!!
There will come a day when everybody on this forum, supporters of Ron Paul, will appreciate the true genius of Dr Steve!
Ok...
So "Yes" to #3 means that you are yourself Steve Parent, which explains why you've been extolling his greatness. This thread gets funnier by the minute!
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We don't know how to mind our own business
'Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
-Steppenwolf 1969
I have. If you read my post
I have. If you read my post above, I illustrated how he went back on his OFFER to provide me info about his business (notice I said BUSINESS and not personal address, phone, email, etc. Frankly, I could care LESS about those things).
It doesn't bother you one iota that this man cannot provide any verifiable proof of who he is representing himself to be, and he's soliciting money? That's my main problem with him.
Then don't give your money to him...
Simple. If it bothers you, then take it up personally with him via private message or call in when he's sharing his great knowledge on revolutionbroadcasting.com
If he failed to provide info about his business then don't donate to it.
It's not that difficult to reach him.
Did you not catch what I
Did you not catch what I said? I DID contact him! Way before any of this delegate stuff even started! There's no "taking up" anything with this man ... if you dare question him that's it -- end of story.
--end of story
If we spent this much time and energy on the important issue - getting Ron Paul the nomination- we would be close to winning by now. People like you would rather concentrate on destroying the great people in this movement, and it has been one of the things that has held us back.
If Dr Steve is shady to you, then don't donate to his efforts. Why waste your time trying sidetrack the rest of us from getting the real goals accomplished??
we DID
We DID spend this much time and energy on getting Ron Paul the nomination - we spent TONS of time and energy. It didnt work. The media blacked us out, and the public just continued acting like sheep, doing as they're told and voting from the "options" presented them by the media instead of by the ballot.
America isnt ready for liberty. It isnt ready for adult responsibility. It isnt ready for self-sufficiency, or even self-restraint. It isnt ready for Ron Paul, and so it has not chosen Ron Paul. Face that fact.
If you believe in Democracy, then you need to respect the outcome - no matter how unwise or distasteful it may be. That's majority rule for ya. Particularly when the majority have delegated their responsibility to corrupt politicians and corporate executives. That's America today.
You cant accept that? Fine - try again in 2012. That's your next democratic chance.
Oh, that's right - it's about the delegate system now, screw the popular vote.
Man, if the Republicrats ever dared say "Screw the popular vote!", you all would be screaming.
Ron Paul still has my vote in Nov, primary nomination or no, win or lose. But anyone who doesnt win by popular vote, be it in a primary or an election, doesnt deserve to win. All this back-room political vote-trading is part of the problem - not the solution.