RON PAUL EFFORTS IN NEVADA
Posted May 12th, 2008 by NVbarbara4RP08
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I thought this was VERY interesting and something all Ron Paul supporters need to know. Even if you don't live in NEVADA, here is what we have to deal with. FYI to ALL RON PAUL SUPPORTERS. Don't let this happen to you or your meetups:
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Jeff,
I just got off of the phone with a national radio talk show host who said that he was told by you that no video was available of the Rep conv in Reno and that you really didn't give him any information. He was happy to receive factual information from me and knowledge that media footage was available from start to finish (as you well know) that showed Ron Paul supporters do exist in high numbers and were not out playing the stealth game you want them to believe. I also read Sue Lowden's blog saying that she and you are making a deal to make concessions as to the convention results which I have on video tape. She's playing games with dedicated Ron Paul supporters and rules that were strictly adhered to at the convention by those Ron Paul Delegates who worked very hard to get there supposedly under your direction and now you are helping her? I don't know who you and the Terhunes work for or believe you are, I only know that you are suppressing the truthful information that I and others record and distribute. There is no Conspiracy Theory here because there is no theory! There are two things going on which must complement each other, the Ron Paul Campaign and the Ron Paul peaceful but extremely effective revolution that educates and directs people to the campaign. Stop trying to stop and/or discredit myself and others who work 24/7 to reverse the downward spiral of this country. You and your sidekicks, the Terhunes have alienated way to many people from this effort to save America. Onlookers and most of the northern Nevada delegates have contacted me questioning your motives. I used to tell them I don't know, but now I simply tell them to contact you since I have nothing to say about those who promote Ron Paul in their own way and condemn those who do not comply with your way. Nobody is totally right or wrong. I have been told that you are not paid by the Ron Paul campaign and others have told me that you recently donated to the California Republican Party. What is the truth here? Truth is what my efforts are all about. Contrary to your belief, we have a large audience on TV since we have been on for 10 years and I hear daily from other stations and Americans across the nation who want our programs which you apparently find distasteful to your promotion of stealth. Contact me directly to talk to me rather than talking about me to others who then call me, email me, laugh, question and try to understand your distaste for my involvement in this campaign for America. I personally do not give a shit what you and the Terhunes think of me nor do I care what the people who contact me think of you. We have a job to do here to stop the evil and non-Constitutional element in our government. Unless any of us are working with the "leaders" of the Republican party rather than the membership of that party, then we are all right in what we do. I was in a foxhole when you were in diapers, Robert Terhune was merely a gleam in Wayne Terhune's eye and John McCain was spilling his guts to the enemy, so don't tell me or other Veterans to handle a corrupt government by coddling it.
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Prove devotion by actions and not words
Are we fighting the British or the Revolutionary Army.
We need every player to stay focussed. This is not how Ron would want us acting. Let freedom reign, when it's over go your separate ways. This behavior does not win us new supporters.
Prove devotion by actions and not words.
Focus your anger on the enemy. Nevada did great, you should be patting yourselves on the back and not punching each other. Give Peace a try.
We are Ron Paul, "This is not a new revolution, this is a peaceful revolution."
(Proverbs 16:7) When a man's ways please the LORD, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.
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I don't dump on people for not being delegates. There are valid reasons, of course, why it might not have happened. However, serving as a "tease"... becoming a delegate and then not showing up, becomes a problem. I had thought, when I read the original accusations, the same thing I always think. Maybe you were unable to get off work, maybe you were otherwise detained, maybe you just *couldn't* go.
After reading, though, it seems like you *wouldn't* go, Barbara. You made it clear the reason you *wouldn't* go is because a person upset you. Please understand how awful that sounds. When something THIS IMPORTANT is going on, all the people who signed up to be there need to be there. The Nevada situation involved searching for a quorum after the recess. This is a headcount. You were not there. If it were all about electing JG I could totally understand why you didn't go, but you cite JG as the reason you didn't show up for Ron Paul. That is disheartening in a way I had yet to even let myself consider.
I dislike a lot of people in this movement. I would tongue-kiss any one of them if I somehow knew Dr. Paul could gain even one more tiny advantage because of it.
I hope perhaps you reconsider your withdrawal from the process, and do your best with some of the other strategies that have been suggested. Dress up nice and lend some vocal support, even if you can no longer get credentialed (I do not know how NV handles absentee delegates). And you know what? If JG is there? You can just ignore him or even point and laugh later (please do so outside the Convention), or hand him a dead fish, or whatever childish thing you'd like, and still be there for Dr. Paul.
You Truly Are
a good soul. aloha
"I would tongue-kiss any one
"I would tongue-kiss any one of them if I somehow knew Dr. Paul could gain even one more tiny advantage because of it."
LOL You madam are a true patriot!!!
I find all of this "dialogue" very disheartening....
We are all supposed to be working together towards a common goal. There aren't enough of us, to be insulting & negative towards each other to the point where people give up the cause. As much as you might not understand a person's actions or words, you have to treat them with respect. I have questioned some peoples' motives in this campaign, but I haven't resorted to disrespecting them. If you want to find out why someone is saying or doing things a certain way, ask them. Don't criticize them & then expect an answer. I shudder to think that people from the other "camps" are reading this mudslinging. It makes us look infantile, unorganized & weak. Is that what we are? Please, everyone who is so upset with each other, put your emotions aside & talk to each other constructively. You each have to much to give & we need everyone to work together. Kudos go to Dr. Steve Parent who has weathered much criticism. Why so much criticism? I have no idea as he's been VERY supportive to us in Nevada & other states. We need to VALUE peoples' opinions. No one is the be all, end all, even Dr. Paul.
PEACE--LOVE--JOY
Truthseeker
After concerns over Jeff's motives, actions and personality, I have come to several conclusions:
1) you have to work your butt off
2) you have to stay focused on the goal
3) you have to be more like a Paulite than a "CAINITE"
4) you have to believe in miracles and you will get them
And most important--Jeff Greenspan is BRILLIANT follow him and his direction and your state can win....don't and you loose and so does Dr. Paul. It really is that simple but you have got to be committed and do your 100% and miracles will happen.
Hate dims your heart and soul. Forgivness and love will bring joy to our movement. Dennis and Jeff have made peace - how about you?
Thank you because that is
Thank you because that is what I reach for.
Does everyone see what is
Does everyone see what is happening here?
This is exactly what i have been talking about and i have said this many times.
I hear this time and time again from meetups around the country of the division within our own movement and it is counter productive 1000%.
If we do not come together and unify in some way and put our differences to the side we will surely fail.
Jeff i would like to speak to your personally and get the right information as well as barbara.
These are the types of attacks i take on a daily basis and it must stop if we are to succeed in any way, shape or form.
Jeff i am asking you to email me at newspaper4paul@hotmail.com and provide me a contact number or come on our radio show so we can all put an end to this bickering and for once UNIFY and work together so we can accomplish the things we have all set out to accomplish.
Dr. Steve Parent
A Good Leader...
is always the one, who can inspire & empower all the others to be all they can be, and more!! at any given time and any challenging circumstances to move the goal forward to success. aloha
A Good Leader...
is always the one, who can inspire & empower all the others to be all they can be, and more!! at any given time and any challenging circumstances to move the goal forward to success. aloha
Please expalin Jeff
Sue Lowden's blog saying that she and you are making a deal to make concessions as to the convention results which I have on video tape. She's playing games with dedicated Ron Paul supporters and rules that were strictly adhered to at the convention by those Ron Paul Delegates who worked very hard to get there supposedly under your direction and now you are helping her?
It's not true
We have attempted to contact her multiple times and she will not respond. Why do you believe the GOP "authorities" automatically? odd.
MIA--Clueless in Nevada
Truthseeker
You have no idea what you are saying or doing here.
If you don't talk to the enemy, how the heck can you know what that enemy is doing?
We needed your help and the others...where were you when we were in the fight of our lives? MIA?
Nevada did fantastic, we were killing them under Jeff's guidance and the CAINITES had to cut and run. End of story part 1...now on to part 2.
There are plenty of videos
There are plenty of videos available from the NV convention, here are a few:
First two are of Ron Paul's speech:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
These next two cover the party leadership and McCain supporters walking out of the convention, etc:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...
IT should be noted
Barbara who posted this
a) was a Ron Paul STATE DELEGATE who LIVES in Reno, but did not attend the state convention!
When we needed her most she ABANDONED Ron Paul and all of the other RP State Delegates.
b) posts all criticisms but will not accept ACTUAL EVIDENCE demonstrating anything to the contrary of what she believes.
b.1) it's not true. why don't you post Dennis' follow up?
Hence, Barbara is two times dishonest.
Say what you will Jeff
Whatever Jeff..............YOU are the reason I did not attend. No I did not attend as other delegates did not as we were not on Jeff's "elite list" of those with knowledge of what was to go on. Jeff lead our meetup astray. I am not dishonest, I call them as I see them and you are a RAT Jeff. That's all there is to it. I can pass along information and if you want to try to drag me down to your pathetic level, go for it brother. But, I will NEVER be at your low disgusting level of a human being. You are dishonest and you are not down for Ron Paul and you should just leave all Ron Paul supporters alone and let them do what needs to be done. You hender things and have your head in the wrong place. How do you have time to post and keep up with blogs if you are out being a "Regional Coordinator for Ron Paul"? Is this what we are paying for. Or are you getting paid? If you are, please use the money wisely and do some POSITIVE for the campaign. Your caustic, assulting, insulting, finger pointing, childish attitude is nothing less than disgusting to say the least. Get to work and off of the computer Jeff. Get a life while your at it. Know matter how hard you try, I will NEVER be as low as you are Jeff. Your the "blood sucker" I have always heard about. YUCK! BUG OFF!! You've done enough damage. Run along and get to work. Oh and try not to wear your blue jeans to the next convention (not professional) :) LMAO
My Mentor & Hero...
William Cooper, http://www.hourofthetime...., said "believe nothing anyone tells you until you can prove it true for Yourself" Aloha
Simple, Barbara
"Your caustic, assulting, insulting, finger pointing, childish attitude is nothing less than disgusting to say the least. "
This is what you have done for months without providing ONE SHREAD of evidence.
I cite facts, you make wild accusations for the purposes of causing division.
I "made you" abandon Ron Paul and the RP state delegates at the NV convention? Speaking of childish! No one makes anyone do anything. 600 RP State Delegates showed. You didn't. This is a fact. There is no excuse for it. We were a handful short of delegates for a quorum after the walkout. YOU should have been there!
BUMP IT! KEEP IT GOING!
BUMP IT! KEEP IT GOING!
Deja vu
We know Jeff in Vegas, and some members had similar feelings last year. Unfortunately, his top-down style didn't wear well with some of our grassroots supporters either. I believe he means well, but some of Ron Paul's most dedicated supporters were almost divided into two camps. We eventually came back together for Ron Paul, but I think some scars remain. ...Let's keep our eyes on the ball and avoid infighting within our meetups.
Long live the Revolution.
McCain and the GOP will not.....
....make you feel better. There was work to be done. Those who did it scored. Those who did not felt "scarred". Note the word "felt". Feelings do not score results and the GOP and McCain, certainly don't care how you feel.
The revolution is not about feeling good. It's about saving the republic.
If that's a tough nut to swallow, so be it. Our founding fathers and the minutement slept on frozen ground. All we had to do were knock on a few doors and make some phone calls. The ones who didn't want to pretend to be more emotionally "scarred" by the requests to do so than the founding fathers and minutemen were ACTUALLY scarred by events surrounding them.
Bottom line: get over it if you want your Republic back.
Barb doesn't want it. And her actions prove it, being that she was 20 minutes away from convention hall, was a state delegate, but failed to show.
Can you get over your bitterness?
I have said, three times now, I need your help. I do NOT need the vitriole you are spewing, I need your EXPERIENCE, your ADVICE, your HELP. Can you dig that up? 208-793-3096.
Drag, drag, drag
Keep on trying to drag me down Jeff. Go ahead. You have nothing better to do right? No matter how hard you try,(we all know misery loves company) I will never be as low as you are. Yes I was not even 20 minutes away! More like 10, and I did not go. Tell the people why Jeff. Want to go into details Jeff? Let's go big boy. Why didn't I go Jeff? Please, do tell........
Spill!
What should the rest of us expect from the paid RP campaign staff?
Hard Work
Truthseeker
You should expect to work and follow their leadership. If you do not, you loose and so does RP. If you work together, try to respect one another, and participate you will have a high better than drugs. If you do not, you will be very depressed and hateful, hurtful and blame one another.
Whatever....
Barbara, I have never posted one single thing about you except in response to your wild accusation and attacks. I have only ever responded to you and have never initiated a thing.
However, if you are going to drag someone through the mud and lie, you BET YOUR *** I'm going to respond!
And I'm going to point out the FACTS. Which includes the fact that you were a Ron Paul state delegate who did not show up to the convention even though you lived in the same town and were there that day.
You didn't go because of one
You didn't go because of one person? On it's face, that sounds pretty weak. I would love to hear the reason behind it.
deleted Dr. Steve Parent
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Dr. Steve Parent
Dennis you know i am behind
Dennis you know i am behind you and we all appreciate what you and many others have done there.
I expressed those concerns about Jeff the night of the NV convention and we are going forward no matter what.
I will stay in contact with all of you until NV is complete.
Do not get discouraged and stand strong.
You can also call me any time.
Dr. Steve Parent
and we are going forward no matter what...
and so am I I I I I I I. I've been in this game and waiting ( for a long, long time ) ! ! for this moment and I am not wasting it. Aloha
Please note....
1) There IS NO Dr. Steve Parent.
2) "Dr. Steve Parent" did a grand total of ZERO to help the Ron Paul delegates at the Nevada state convention
3) Dr. Steve Parent has produced zero evidence of the concerns he has, he just keeps reiterating that he has "concerns"
4) Dr. Steve Parent attempted to take credit for the events in NV, having done ZERO to help, away from the State Delegates who actually DID the work!
These are factual statements. To refute them please present your FACTUAL EVIDENCE not emotionalism nor innuendo.
There Is No "ME" too...
even though I am in the HISTORY book in Hawai'i by ( with the help of 5 people in 1998 ) changing 20% of the vote ( 50,000 ) in two month's, to deprive the current Gov. of HI Linda Lingle her Win then. Aloha, http://www.hookele.com/he..., PARADISE SLUDGED Linda Lingle's Toxic Legacy
Bump
Bump
I will bump this Dr. Steve
I will bump this
Dr. Steve Parent
BUMP! READ THIS!!
BUMP! READ THIS!!
FanF$*@ing Tabulous.
They feel it and know the love of the r3V0Lution is real and is spreading.
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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?
Jeff is supposed to be
Jeff is supposed to be helping us in WA
Jay Weeldreyer is the ONLY
Jay Weeldreyer is the ONLY person is WASHINGTON to TRUST. He is what we in Nevada needed last summer. Jay knows how Jeff owrks and Jay will work with you not against you. Jay is the man in Washoington. Liten to himand NOT JEFF GREENSPAN. BEWARE!
Nice try Barbara
Jay W and Jeff G are in synch, get along and work together extremely well. Ask Jay W to confirm.
IT will totally discredit Barb the RP state delegate who did not show.
My name is Barbara
My name is Barbara, not Barb. Your in synch with Jay now?? FINALLY!! They must have MADE you becuse you SUCKED SO bad here in Nevada. Jay is AWESOME and down for Ron Paul.. He is a giver, mover, shaker and the kind of energy that Ron Paul needs behind him. Not a LOSER like Jeff Greenspan. You did nothing but rip apart meetups and ideas and bashed people and were caustic and had an all knowing better than thou attitude that literally RAN DELGATES off. I am not the only one you ran off with your caustic better than thou attitude. Don't you have a JOB to do? Are you getting paid right now? How about getting a life. Get to work Jeff. Stop f***ing off Jef and get to work.
hey barb,
hey barb what happened to you? I was volunteering at the elephant office before the convention and ran across your credentials card I was looking forward to seeing you but noticed that you hadn't paid yet why didn't you go? jeff can be a dick so can i none of us are immune from the constant blasting of negetive from the evil ones solution: simple : just push aside the ego it is false ... look at the big picture look within you are a magnificiant beiing so is jeff and Jay we are all under attack don't fall for the evil divide and conquer ploy LOVE is the great unifier come back Your movie night changed my life... I answer only to a Higher Power so do you....This convention fiasco was Divine Intervention! how else could the worms be identified for what they are? We are defined by our ACTIONS Those who lied, cheated stole from the people will reap what they sown Trust in the all knowing power of God every thing needed to go this way YOU please stop anything negitive this is not your true nature! we all have a part to play humble your"self" before God to do the great work have fun join us on the road to happy destiny
More dishonestly.
Jay and I were never out of synch nor do you have one ounce of evidence to demonstrate we were. Jay will confirm.
Wait I read it again and it
Wait I read it again and it IS to Greenspan. Very disturbing.
Barbara is this letter to
Barbara is this letter to Jeff Greenspan?
RON PAUL EFFORTS IN NEVADA
Seems to be. If you read it through you will find your answer.
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