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Coins for silver

I feel great! Today, me, my wife and my 5 year old son got 10 ounces of silver with coins that we collected for a couple of years. They were sitting in a bottle just losing value. I thought that I couldn't afford to invest, but I decided to invest 10 ounces a month until I can't really afford it anymore.

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fyi

just an fyi for people buying bars. there's a problem going on now where people are filling silver bars with lead centers.
i dunno how rampant the problem is but its something you should be aware of.

I wouldn't buy anything

I wouldn't buy anything bigger than a 5 oz bar. IMO They're just too small for someone to bother tampering with, especially when you run the risk of blowing out the sides and leaving the decorative finish all barked up.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
-- Jean Luc Picard

Yeah, I don't trust the

Yeah, I don't trust the bars.

APMEX

Anyone ordered Eagles from them lately? Just wondering how long it takes to receive them...

Depends

It depends on your method of payment. I live in Michigan, and following the waiting period (5 - 10 business days), they are shipped and arrive within 2-3 days. It is a fair delay, but your price is locked in. As I do not plan on selling my silver anytime soon, I do not mind it so much. I have ordered from them several times, and I have had no problem with my orders. I just placed another order yesterday.

?

Is there any advantage to purchasing Eagles as opposed to Engelhard bars? I see an eagle, flag, and olive branch on mine(bars) but still a serial number.

I also bought a dreaded buffalo bill 2oz NFL coin. How can the NFL mint these coins anyways? If I were to melt it down and stamp a picture of me on it, I would go to prison. I hate Buffalo Bills.

Also, I purchased a tub of cleaning product for the junk coins but have avoided cleaning them as of yet. I am not sure if it would have any effect on the melt value or change the silver compound in any way. Any thoughts on these questions would be appreciated.

Thanks!

The only reason I can see

for cleaning junk silver is if you have silver dollars that you would like to have looking smart, just because pretty silver dollars are fun to play with.

You will most likely get more metal

for your money from a bar but more people will recognize your silver eagle. If your intention is to sell to a dealer than recognition isn't a problem.

As for the NFL coin (not something I would normally recommend), anyone can have a silver round fabricated with an image. Happens all the time in the collectibles market.

Lastly, don't bother polishing your junk silver unless you just want pretty junk.

You

Wouldn't happen to like Buffalo by any chance?

coin cleaning

Don't bother to clean coins, no change to melt value. Many of us could easily tell a cleaned circulated coin and to me it makes the coin less attractive. Pay a buck more for a handful of nicer old silver dollars or half dollars. It's nice to have these clean, less circulated antiques around just to play with.

i gotta question

i read a story recently that it cost the government like 1.6 cents worth of metal to make a penny and around 7 cents to make a nickel.

So what is the scrap metal value of pennys and nickels? can you go to the bank and get $10 worth of pennys and sell them to a scrap yard for $16?

That would be some great arbitrage to start increasing the value of the dollar from the bottom up.

Current melt value of coins

Nope.... Well you could try

Nope.... Well you could try but it would be illegal. Someone already beat you to the idea and the government cracked down on them by making the melting of both nickels and pennies illegal.

http://money.cnn.com/2006...

Mint: Don't melt money
Government threatens prison for violators; at current prices the metal value of the coins may exceed their face values.
December 14 2006: 3:10 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The U.S. Mint has implemented a rule against melting down pennies and nickels which, at current metal prices, could be worth more as metal than as currency.

The Mint has received numerous questions over the past several months regarding the metal value of the coins and the legality of melting them.

"We are taking this action because the nation needs its coinage for commerce," said Director Ed Moy in a statement.

"We don't want to see our pennies and nickels melted down so a few individuals can take advantage of the American taxpayer. Replacing these coins would be an enormous cost to taxpayers."

The new regulations authorize a fine of up to $10,000, or imprisonment of up to five years, or both, against violators.

The rule also bans the exportation of the coins, beyond traveling with $5 worth and shipping up to $100 for legitimate purposes.

No, you can't do that,

No, you can't do that, because the government has made it illegal to do so. At some point in the future, though, I'm sure it will be done, just as it is done today with our old 90% silver coins.

what was done with the 90%

what was done with the 90% silver coins? they have been melting them down for a long time.

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

I was wondering that myself. . . .

. . . but why wouldn't the scrap metalist simply buy the pennies him(or her) self?

Purchasing power of silver

While I do agree that junk silver is the best value, I disagree that getting dime rolls is best to make change for future purchases. Everything comes down to purchasing power; gold and silver maintain it, but you're not going to see a silver dime for pound of hamburger unless we hyperinflate to the same extent Zimbabwe is doing it (and I don't believe we will get there - I think the system will collapse before it does.)

Working in full ounces will probably be the best bet. Consider:

In 1971, silver was $1 an ounce and gas was 25 cents a gallon, meaning you could get about 4 gallons of gas for one ounce of silver

(skipping the crazy years when silver jumped to $35/ounce and was extremely volatile)

In 1987, silver was $7 an ounce and gas was $1.40 a gallon, meaning you could get about 4 gallons of gas for an ounce of silver

In 1997, silver was $5 an ounce and gas was $1.10 a gallon, meaning you could get about 4 gallons of gas for an ounce of silver

In 2007, silver was $13 an ounce and gas looks to be $2.75 a gallon, meaning you could get about 4 gallons of gas for an ounce of silver

And you need more than 4 gallons to fill your tank (unless you ride a motorcycle.) Handing a merchant 4 ounces of silver versus two-thirds of a roll of silver dimes makes for an easier transaction.

In the years to come, your silver may be worth $200 an ounce, but gas will be $50 a gallon.

gas is 1 thing... but food

gas is 1 thing... but food is something different.. remeber its purchasing power that counts... and yes we will hit hyperinflation.. the fed has no other choice.. its inflate or die.. all inflation created by the fed does is prolong the death of the economy.. its the only choice they have...

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Yes but you could trade a

Yes but you could trade a few silver dimes for some eggs or some milk from a local farmer.

I agree however that we probably won't see the times get that hard.. but just in case they do... I've got my .999 rounds as well as the smaller junk silver denominations ready to go.

Change

Dimes, quarters, half dollars are all helpful to own, I believe. I love the 'junk' silver dollars (Morgan & Peace). I also suspect that it will not be 'legal' to use silver or gold for payments, so gasoline dealers and stores will not be able to accept it as legal tender. Purchases made will be off the record and private. Trading with farmers for food and wood, etc. It may be necessary to change some silver/gold into FRNs or whatever they've got, so that you can walk into a store and buy things legally. Who knows...

What FRN stand for?

thanks

FRD = Federal Reserve Dollar, or...

Federal
Reserve
Account
Unit of
Debt

Viva Agora!
Professor Bernardo de la Paz
www.citizenduquesne.org

Thank you!

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Federal Reserve Note

Federal Reserve Note

Safety Deposit boxes are unsafe!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?...

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

my silver collecting

Each week I pick up an ounce at the shop that's two blocks from my home. I generally pick up fine silver (.999%) for $1 over spot. Today I picked up a nice one, the old Chrysler honoring the Bill of Rights coin. Not quite sure why I picked that one over the others. Today was at 17.75, shame too, right now I would have had it for 17.65.

http://www.theshowmebomb....

Where do you buy locally?

I would rather buy gold/silver locally if possible so I can pay cash and not have any paper/computer trails, but I don't know where to get it. Any suggestions?

Try Google. Type in your

Try Google. Type in your city name and then "coin shop". See what comes up. When I do that search for the Denver area I pull up 933 locations (some of which are duplicates).

It took several months but I finally found a shop that I really like. The guy behind the counter is very nice and very informative. Other shops treat you like a number on a roll counter. Try and shuffle you in and out as quick as they can and rarely offer much assistance or let you look at the pieces they have in stock. This guy will let me look and touch pretty much anything and is always willing to talk to me about silver.

If you are in Denver go to the 500 block of South Broadway. There are 3 silver shops literally side by side by side. Hit up the middle shop. I have no idea the name but it's not posted in big letters anyway. Just hit up the middle shop and you'll be fine.

On a side note... I've been collecting 'junk' silver for about 5 months now. Yesterday I finally found my first piece of 'junk silver' (a single 1951 dime) floating around in loose change. Not sure where I got it but I pulled the change out of my pockets and looked at each one and sure enough I had a silver dime.

Yeah for me! ;-)

visit

Look up a coin shop or three in the yellow pages and go and talk to the owner. Get a gut feel for his or her integrity. You should be able to buy without your name, etc., and pay no sales tax as well. Check the spot price and the 90% silver price on the web before going in. Maybe ask other RP people for a referral to a coin shop.

Buying Silver

The silver with the lowest mark up is usually old coin with 90% silver content. It is probably the best way for you to start accumulating silver for several reasons. First is the low mark up. You can often find it for spot whereas rounds have a $1.00+ markup and Eagles more. 90% coin comes in small denominations. It may be that in the future you will be able to trade a dime for a pound of hamburger, getting change for a 10oz bar might be cumbersome or difficult.
Just remember that it is accepted that $100.00 in face value of 90% silver coin has 71.5 ounces of pure silver. Today 5/13 silver spot on Kitco is $16.63 and junk silver at Bullion Direct is selling for $1190.00 per $100.00 face. 1190./71.5 =$16.64 per ounce. That is so cheap that I think I will buy some.

Thanks that is exactly what

Thanks that is exactly what I needed. I think having the small amounts of silver (such as 90% dimes) will come in handy.

Quick Question

I am going to buy around $1000 worth of silver in the next few weeks. Should I buy all .999 rounds? Should I get rounds and 90%/40% coins?

Get a little of all of

Get a little of all of it.

You can buy 1/10oz of gold for roughly $100
$10.00 face value of junk (90%) silver is roughly $130.00
10oz bar is roughly $170.00

Get a little of everything.

Another question:

How should we fisically protect the silver? Put in a bank, bury in the ground ;-), etc.

Bury at least some of it in the ground.

Or hide it in a hole in a tree high above the ground. Always think of someone trying to locate it with a metal detector. Someplace off site might be best unless you have a large land parcel.

If the government...

If the government makes it illegal to own gold and silver, couldn't they become worthless anyway? I mean, if we can't legally buy and sell them, maybe the only option will be the black market for very cheap plus the risk of getting caught.
Please tell me your opinion.

I think that you'll always

I think that you'll always be able to find someone that will take it. If everything continues the way it is, everything will have to be done on the black market, and God knows they won't take the dollar.

http://www.theshowmebomb....

Safe deposit boxes aren't safe.

Back in the FDR regime, the people woke up one fine morning to a new decree: no one was allowed to open his safe deposit box without a federal agent present to confiscate any gold that might have been stored in it. If anything like this happens again, you will not see it coming.

Yesterday and today over on the Lew Rockwell blog they have been talking about the govt stealing the contents of people's safe deposit boxes, here and now today.

Agreed. http://www.theshowmeb

1st don't tell anyone you

1st don't tell anyone you have it! NEVER PUT ANYTHING IN A BANK ! THOSE SAFETY DEPOSITE BOXES ARE WORTHLESS.. IF A BANKING HOLLIDAY GOES IN EFFECT, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO YOUR SAFETY DEPOSITE BOX! just put the coins in a safe place in your home... if you feel like more safety is needed bury them on your property!

as for me and my home, we shall worship the LORD

Eh... I tend to disagree. I

Eh... I tend to disagree.

I looked at the small home safes from Walmart and Home Depot but they were about $300 and probably only weighed 50 - 100 lbs. You can bolt those safes to the ground to make them more secure but I rent my home and I don't think the land lord would be too happy with me bolting some stuff to the hardwood floors.

I went to one of the local banks and inquired about a safety deposit box. I paid a $20 setup fee plus $20 annual charge for a 3"w x 5"t x 20"d box which is plenty large enough to hold the silver that I possess. The bank checks ID each time I visit and the box requires a key from myself as well as one of the bank tellers to open.

I understand that I may not be able to access the silver during certain times, however, in most cases the safety deposit box is perfect for my needs. The box is much more secure than the wooden treasure chest that I had been using.... http://www.woodchests.com...

If I see the SHTF scenario coming then I'll be rushing down to remove everything from that box, but until that time comes.. the safety deposit box option is perfect for those who don't have much more nor lots of silver/gold to secure.

yeah,

you and everybody else...good luck!

Eh... I tend to disagree.

Only use a bank's safe deposit box if you want the risk of the gov stealing it. You will not know when, that's the point. Precious metals can be taken by presidential order, quickly and silently, without your permission, and with the full cooperation of the bank. Banks are the belly of the beast. Much may occur before the public is aware of the shit hitting the fan.

But isn't that the benefit

But isn't that the benefit of the safety deposit box? The contents aren't documented. How would the government know I was holding silver vs. the title to my car or deed to my house. I would argue they wouldn't and with the sheer number of safety deposit boxes it would be nearly impossible to check each one.

When I signed up the bank told me the box required 2 keys to open. They said I kept 1 and they kept the other. They told me they didn't have a copy of my key and if I lost it I'm responsible for having a new lock put on to the safety deposit box.

If we believe what they say, there is absolutely no way for them to readily access the box to ever check the contents.

My fear is a run on the banks to the point where the banks shut their doors and not allow anyone inside....

benefit?

All safe deposit boxes can be 'sealed' by presidential order while the banks are open. Bank personnel have access without 'your' key, of course, in spite of this so-called security they speak of. Orders can include going through all boxes by bank staff and the now government-owned metal confiscated, along with guns and anything else deemed anti-state. Don't be naive about this. Look at history.

Lists of consumers who buy from dealers who have your name and address from shipping, credit cards and purchases can be confiscated (remember the Liberty Dollar customer records...). Only buy with cash and hand-carry your metals out.

Ok good info... I'll keep

Ok good info...

I'll keep that in mind.

DO NOT USE A "SAFETY DEPOSIT" BOX!!!

It is written in the Patriot Act that if the sh!t hits the fan... the gov't can access your safety deposit box and take your metals & firearms.... they'll gladly pay you for your metals... but at that point, the dollar won't be worth the paper it is printed on.... don't do it...

STASH IT!

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

I don't dispute what you

I don't dispute what you say.. but can you cite that or point me to where the patriot act says that.....

And that still doesn't answer the question.. How will the government know the contents if they aren't documented?

Here's for starters....

http://youtube.com/watch?...

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"

I've seen it....

I've seen it before and I'm looking for it again to post....
Google it....

"Whether you think you can or think you cannot, you're absolutely right!"