Barnes And Noble Suppresses Dr Ron Paul Revolution Manifesto
Posted May 13th, 2008 by mms
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A book can be #1 everywhere, INCLUDING at BN.com and they won't necessarily feature it on the bestseller shelf up front. There is not hard critera, either. Whatever IS selling or is projected to sell. READ: whichever publisher PAYS for the self space. It is FRAUD.
It should be the Barnes & Noble PICKS or FEATURES.
It doesn't take a constitutional lawyer to realize that this book placement is, indeed, Thomas Jefferson's very definition of "FRAUD."
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My BandN
was sold out with six on order. I told the lady that she had better order one thousand of them, and that it was going to be the best book ever. I reserved one for me and one for the person that I check out with at the counter. Hopefully the counter person will recommend it to other people shopping at the store.
I had to ask my local book
I had to ask my local book store to order them. I try to buy local as much as possible. When I went there a month ago she had no plans of ordering it. I suggested she should hinting on Ron Pauls's popularity and pre-ordered two to make it worth it, When I picked up my book she was unpacking a box of Paul's titles. I checked back and she sold most of them.
Spreading the message of freedom is a good habit.
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jeez...
is everything a freaking conspiracy? Now B&N are "hiding" the books. If you were to ask you B&N store manager they would tell you that there is not a "best seller" spot in which to display books...they are, however, in alphabetical order in their subject section. Just buy the damn thing already...
You know what?
I think we're all getting a little too sensitive here. Not everything is a conspiracy theory. B & N's that don't stock enough copies in prominent places are probably ignorant, not malevolent.
Thank you Ruth.
I agree with your reasoning.
While sign waving and passing out Slim Jims, I had a man tell me that he wasn't from my "area". He thought Ron Paul was running for local office. I asked him, "You're American, aren't you?". He nodded. I gave him a Slim Jim.
The management and employees of B&N need to be educated just like everyone else.
You know what else?
My neighborhood liquor store owner, who I've been acquainted with for years and who always strikes up a conversation, usually about ice hockey, asked me the other day who I was voting for. When I replied "Ron Paul" he said "Who? Never heard of him" even though I rarely go in there without gear on! That was an eye-opener for me. You're right, everyone needs to be educated, and I guess I really dropped the ball on that one.
Do what you can.
We are working against decades of public school and mass media indoctrination.
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Lisa C.
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I'm back. They had 5 of
I'm back. They had 5 of them from what I saw. I bought 4 of them. I'm going to ship them off to Iraq per my plan in my other thread which I'll update soon. The conversation was interesting. Girl had pink hair. and said "Ron Paul, huh?" And I said well yeah, I have a lot of friends over in Iraq who have asked me to send them this book because they can't get it over there. So I'm sending these to Iraq. I said every month they have different basics they can't get like socks, toothpaste, flavoring for their water, so I'm sending them that stuff and this book as they have asked. (which I am doing, go to www.anysoldier.com or www.anymarine.com and have a look)
Anyhow, her demeanor completely changed. Overall a great success. Wonder if she is wondering why our troops want me to send them the Ron Paul book?
Bring This With You
Print this out, and bring it with you: http://www.dailypaul.com/...
It's Dr. Paul at #1 on the NYT bestseller list. Then watch them try to explain why his book isn't at the front.
Just about to head there now
Just about to head there now to buy Robert's Rules of Order to prep myself for the state convention. I'll also ask about the book and lecture them if they don't have it about how unwise a decision it is to not carry the New York times #1 bestseller.
Walked Out of B&N
I couldn't find Dr. Paul's book anywhere in the B&N closest to my house, and there was nobody at the Customer Service desk. I ask the lady at checkout and she just referred me to the customer service desk without so much as blinking an eye. I walked back to customer service and it was still empty with one person standing there waiting. I decided that B&N just didn't want my business. I made sure to let the checkout lady know that there was still nobody at customer service and that I was taking my business elsewhere.
I'm buying the book on Amazon. It's cheaper, and there's no sales tax, so I'm not giving the government any more of my hard earned money.
I say, that if...
any bookstore doesn't have a copy of RP's book in a prominently displayed area where it's easy to find then MAKE THEM EARN THEIR DAILY BREAD by asking them to find it for you! And make sure that they work hard trying to find it.
If they don't want us to pay to buy a book, then make them pay for not having it!! Be sure to make them search all the nooks and crannies!
However, I believe that someone may have posted the opportunity to buy the book at a reduced rate if it were purchased in small bulk amounts so that individuals could promote the book and make a profit doing so. Does that sound familiar to anyone?? That would be one way to get it into to the hands of John & Joan Q. Public if, in fact, the book is intentionally being suppressed for any reason. Just a thought.
Don't wait for them
Along with asking them to find it, make sure you also remove the stack of Obama's old, crusty book sitting on the front table, and replace it with a fresh stack of Ron's new book, sitting idle on the back table.
Well, Look at the CEO, Founder Leonard Riggio
Neo-Lib -
Research and find out what he's about.
Article from Newsweek
http://www.businessweek.c...
...Constitution guarantees freedom of speech and not freedom to purchase rubber bands is that the health of culture depends on the availability and the diversity of ideas, not on the availability of rubber bands,'' says Todd Gitlin, a professor of culture at New York University. ''Leonard Riggio wields immense power over the long-term health of our culture.''
Indeed, a simple decision by the mighty chain to buy or not to buy, to display or not to display, can make or break a new book--particularly one by a little-known author. That terrifies many in the literary world who see Riggio as a number-crunching businessman ready to sacrifice literature to profit".
What do you expect!
Back before we knew that Rap...
was music (if indeed it is) it didn't become popular because it was being sold in the big music stores. It became popular because it was being sold out of the trunks of the cars that the rappers were driving. Look at the success it's enjoying today because they focused on another way around the resistance of the mainstream stores to sell it. Today that's all you see when you walk down the CD/DVD aisle of any big outlet.
Let's not forget, the big guys in the big stores are greedy little b@$tards. Can anyone remember where we can buy RP's books at wholesale so that we can sell them ourselves? Perhaps their salivary glands will go into overload when they realize all the sales they lost! Let the market place set the standard.
I had to order mine they had
none in stock. After I read it I bought 2 more at Amazon. I think I will buy some more. Peace
B&N
We have a beautiful new B&N here in Hendersonville, TN.
Couldn't find it, had the girl look. They ordered a whopping 10 copies!
Of course..all gone. I suggested she order alot more than 10 because of its rising best seller status. She offered to order me 1.
KEEP BUYING, KEEP GIVING
#1 all year long!
Can anyone explain
my experience of them keeping only one copy on the shelf (even if it was hidden from most view angles) and THEN replacing it with another after that one was purchased by me? IOW, this doesn't add up. She knew where it was before she could see where it should be. She 'knew' it was out before she went to look. She obviously knew a lot about it's status but just happened to 'find' another one in the back right after my sale?
I don't think it's a top-down policy. What I really believe is that some of us have ran across people that are aware of RP and personally do that little bit they can to oppose him. It's probalby the same as me turning Obama's books around in WalMart every time we pass them. lol
I don't think it's a top down policy either
My local B & N has kept plenty of copies in prominently displayed places.
Not fraud
There is nothing fraudulent about Barnes and Nobles decisions to put Dr. Paul's book anywhere in their store they like...in fact, they can decide not to carry it for whatever reason they'd like.
The book is fairly new, so it hasn't made the best seller lists yet...those aren't updated daily.
Part of their revenue stream is selling prominant shelf space in their store to the highest bidder...just because Dr. Paul doesn't need to pay to get you to buy his book, it doesn't constitute fraud.
They are a free business, and should be free to run their business however they like. People always speak about personal freedoms, but freedom to run a business is as important if not more so.
What would you have done abou this? Do you want a federal cabinet level department to ensure fair and equal shelf space at all bookstores?
checked for myself and your right
about B&N....
by the way...
...apparently you had not heard that Ron Paul's book debuted at number seven (7) on the New York Times best sellers list or that it was #1 on Amazon.com's best sellers list.
"The book is fairly new, so it hasn't made the best seller lists yet..."
Perhaps you would like to revise your incorrect remarks and let all of your friends and family know that The Revolution: A Manifesto is #1 on the NY Times best sellers list (as of 5/18). Thanks.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
I know you consider yourself forward thinking
But the ability to see into the future is beyond me...5/18 hasn't happened yet.
Why don't you just check before making a wisecrack?
Free and Brave
or Cradle to Grave
You can't have both
No Need To See Into the Future
These lists are made public a week and a half prior to the posted date. That's why the Ron Paul campaign issued a press release celebrating the book's rise to #1.
from the source...
From the source (my emphasis):
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
"You don't have a right to be given access to Paul's book."
"You don't have a right to be given access to Paul's book."
I'm assuming that you agree with that statement, eh "jzneff"?
The beauty of liberty and voluntary associations (like buying a book that is #1 on the NY Times best sellers list) is that we are free to express our opinions, seek redress, possibly disagree or even discontinue our voluntary associations.
You, on one hand, don't believe that the perceived poor placement and unavailability of Ron Paul's book at major book retailers constitutes fraud.
I, on the other hand, am dumfounded to not think that there is some form of deceit going on at the level of the book seller, distributor, or publisher when the #1 best seller is unavailable so often (as has been my experience as well as many others on this forum).
By the way, I am very thankful to all of you reporting on your observations as you attempt to enter into a voluntary association to buy Ron Paul's book.
Again, I submit that as many of us as possible attempt the investigation that I have proposed below--to identify the availability of the other books on the NY Times best sellers list at retailers where Ron Paul's book is out of stock or otherwise unavailable.
I am sure that the corporate entities of Borders or Barnes and "Noble" will not openly espouse prejudice toward Ron Paul or his book.
On the other hand, what could we say if it appears that the unavailability of Ron Paul's book at these retailers were anomalous compared to the other books that have been identified as best sellers in various publications?
At a minimum, to reiterate what I said before, I do not think that it's a good business model for a major book retailer chain to have the #1 non-fiction book on the NY Times best sellers list (or #7, or #2, or #10) unavailable or out of stock. But I guess that common sense does not always prevail in the corporate world.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
I absolutely agree with that statement
You do not have the right to access any product that the market hasn't delivered. If you believe B&N to be slighting Dr. Paul, then you have a market option to punish them for it (discontinue shopping there).
It may not be a good business model, but it is their absolute right to sell you what they want.
Perhaps their limited supply of this book is not outright deciet, but lack of planning. If it continues to sell, rest assured they will maintain a better stock.
You have every right to complain and call for boycotts of B&N if you like, but when you start calling it a crime to not sell a product, then you are running afoul of every free thinking bone in my body. This is not fraud.
Wow
Excuse me, but the crime of fraud is not the same as the word fraud. Look it up.
So, according to your logic and that of other disinfo trolls, I do not "have a right to be given access to Paul's book" by Ron Paul himself or by a friend or by a book retailer that I might enter into a voluntary association with?
"You don't have a right to be given access to Paul's book."
You "absolutely agree with that statement"? Wow.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
Voluntary associations are 2 way streets
No...you do not have the inalienable right to purchase something unless you have a willing seller. That's the beauty of the free market, you don't need to have rights to buy anything because if the demand is there, the product will get there.
I want the McRib from McDonalds (hypothetical...it's gross) but they don't sell it. It isn't fraud, simply a lack of demand. I would love to buy a good chili dog in Louisville...but there isn't one to be found.
Forcing businesses to dedicate any part of their inventory or floor space to sell any product would be completely contrary to free market ideals. Businesses are not and should not be compelled to sell something, regardless of the reason.
To be quite frank, though, perhaps they just got caught by surprise in not anticipating the popularity of this book and are playing catch-up. It makes no sense to put a book in the front of the store if you haven't stocked up more than a few copies.
you do "have a right to be given access to Paul's book"
The statement that you "absolutely agree with" was "You don't have a right to be given access to Paul's book."
Then you come back with this: "you do not have the inalienable right to purchase something unless you have a willing seller."
Well, I certainly wasn't arguing to the contrary. Nice red herring. But you do "have a right to be given access to Paul's book"--if there exists a voluntary association to buy, borrow or receive the book as a gift. In fact, it is because of this voluntary association that, I believe, Ron Paul wrote the book--he wanted people to read it.
Neither was I suggesting that any businesses be "forced" through the means of government to do anything, but certainly, through the free market, to be punished for not stocking a reasonable supply of the NY Times #1 bestseller and prominently displaying this magnificent piece of literature.
But keep arguing to the contrary and that it's fair because it is the free market at work. Maybe if you keep that up, the demand for the book will diminish. Apparently that would satiate you.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
no red herring
You always have the right to purchase something from a willing seller...there is a world of difference between saying that and saying that you have the right to have access to this book.
We're talking in this thread about B&N specifically...if we were talking about federal intervention (like them denying you the right to buy or read a book) I would be speaking a decidedly different tune. We aren't talking about that...the poster was calling it fraud that B&N didn't have an ample supply, and fraud that B&N was selling out their prominant floor space to the highest bidder. There is nothing fraudulent about that.
If the market doesn't deliver you a product, that's their perogative and your bad luck. You can boycott however many bookstores you want, but don't call it fraud when they make a business decision that doesn't fit what you'd like them to do.
It is fair, there is nothing wrong with choice when it comes to business. I wouldn't be satiated by Dr. Paul's book fading, i'm just not one to sit back and let you demonize a business and call them frauds simply because they didn't have the book you wanted.
you're a fraud, how's that?
I'll call whatever I want to call a fraud--with or without your consent. I do not care if you "let" me or not.
Just remember, the unqualified statement that you "absolutely agree with" was "You don't have a right to be given access to Paul's book." All of the rest of your attempts to rationalize it away only make your arguments look more ridiculous. Denial is not a river in Egypt.
When the #1 book on the New York Times best sellers list is habitually out of stock or hidden and out of plain view in major book retail locations, I call that an instance of fraud, an instance of "deception, trickery, or humbug." The deception being that they claim to sell popular books, but it appears to me that there is a systematic suppression underway of the availability of this one book (that one book being the most popular on the NY Times best sellers list). That's not to say that businesses should not be able to conduct business as they choose. Hell, the quote-mainstream media is largely a fraud--what a great business model they have as well. But I have stopped being a willing participant of that fraud.
But now I just want to be able to purchase Ron Paul's book so that I can distribute it freely to friends and family. Obviously, that is of little or no significance to you. Apparently you'd rather make excuses for those who are perpetuating the fraud and making it difficult to spread the message of Freedom, Peace & Prosperity in the form of an historic declaration authored by the Honorable Dr. Ron Paul.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul
Fraud is stealing
through dishonesty. If someone isn't getting your money, it's impossible for them to be defrauding you.
I believe in freedom
I just extend that same freedom to Barnes & Noble as well.
I agree...
it's their store and THEY have the right to run their business however they want so long as they do not defraud their customers (selling a counterfeit book would constitute fraud, not selling a certain book or not putting it in a particular section of the store does not)...
I can say your answer is better
L.G.'s
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you know what I do? I just
you know what I do? I just go into the bookstores, find the copies of Ron's book, and put them some place noticeable.... hahaha
LOL.
I know what you mean.
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Barnes & Noble in the Irvine Spectrum, So. Cal
There were two copies left of the Ron Paul Manifesto book when I went to the Irvine Spectrum in Irvine, CA. The clerk took me to the upstairs section where the political books are kept & pulled a copy for me. It was near the bottom shelf. He said it's been selling well & that they sold through their first batch of 25 really quick. This is from a batch of 10 that they ordered, down to two (One left after my purchase). He mentioned that they were in the featured area up front earlier & sold quickly. My guess is that they'll put it back in the featured section when they have more copies to sell.
The cost adds up pretty quickly if you pick up multiple copies at B&N. If you're looking to stock up your local library, book exchanges, and coffee shops, Amazon may be a better way to go -and if you're shopping online anyways, a good copy of the Fountainhead or Atlas Shrugged (maybe some used copies from Amazon or ebay) is good company for Ron Paul's Manifesto.
My local B&N had it
near the front, in New Releases. About eye level, nice stack of them.
Shh
you're ruining the fantasies of the conspiracy theorists.
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Stop it.
It's hard enough trying to avoid reading your comments. I'd like to read this thread in peace without 4th grade name calling.
-JP
Neutral comment - you decide.
At my B&N, I spent 45 minutes looking for his book. I went through the entire "prominent displayed area" and then the "displayed politics" and then regular politics. The other candidates' books jumped out at me because they were all waist to eye height and laying flat so I could see their front cover in it's entirety. I finally found "The Revolution" on the bottom row, on edge and between two very large books. It was next to his other book but to see either one, you had to be looking straight towards the case because they were hidden if you were a mere 1 foot off to the side. After taking this 'last copy', I decided to try something. I put it back and asked a clerk for it. I was immediately told it was sold out. I inquired further, asking where I should find it if I came back later. She took me to politics and reached straight for it on the bottom shelf. She looked surprised to find it there. After appologizing for being wrong earlier, she handed it to me and left.
After I purchased it, we walked around the mall a little more and changed our mind on another unrelated book so we returned to B&N after around 65 minutes. While there, I caught that same clerk placing one book back where she had retreived mine for me. You decide.
The 18th
The 18th is when it's supposed to be listed as #1 on the NYT bestseller list. It's not officially on the list yet, so it's not going to be featured yet.
Hello little troll.
Are you having a good time today.
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Let me guess...
You think there is some kind of CONSPIRACY behind it, right? Some kind of ELITES behind the scenes trying to suppress Paul's book? The content of the book is a threat to Barnes & Noble?
Get a grip.
Let me guess...
You think that people should have the opportunity to purchase Ron Paul's book in major book retailer chains, right?
Do you think that a good business model for a major book retailer chain is to have the #1 non-fiction book on the NY Times best sellers list (or #7, or #2, or #10) unavailable or out of stock? As a consumer, do I care what the reason is for the unavailability of Ron Paul's book at Borders or Barnes and "Noble" or do I just want to purchase the book? It is an aggravation and it angers me to talk about this stuff and have to go back and forth to book retailers to get the book.
Are you a Ron Paul supporter or a disinfo troll?
You get a grip.
"If we want to live in a free society, we need to break free from these artificial limitations on free debate and start asking serious questions once again." -Ron Paul