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Can the Republican Party be saved?

Honestly, I have reached a point where I wonder if the Republican party is too far gone for us to save it. Ron Paul has only but to say the word and millions of Republicans, just like me who feel debased by having to play the Republican Parties games, will follow him out the door without hesitation. And for perspectives sake I should add that I have been Republican my entire life. With this in mind, the worst thing the Republican Party could do right now is chase off Ron Paul and his supporters.

I believe that some serious consideration, at the very top of this liberty movement, must be given to the notion that we may want to join forces with a party that is more serious about liberty and constitutional government than the Republicans seem to be (or start a new one). Yes yes, I understand that the ruling parties have rigged the game against third parties, but maybe if we can educate enough people then we can recreate what the brand new Republicans did when they toppled the heretofore ruling parties in 1860. I also understand the idea of working from within one of those ruling parties to repair the damage from the inside, but who among us has not felt sullied recently by having to be allied with so many neo-cons that clearly could care less about the Constitution?

After all we have fought for are we really going to cast our votes for John McCain??? Its not like we are Romney or Huckabee supporters and can simply substitute McCain for our guy. WE ARE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS AND WE FIGHT FOR LIBERTY! Maybe we should spend the next four years building a real Liberty Values Coalition between Libertarians and real conservatives and using that coalition to educate the public. Such a coalition could draw supporters from both major parties and put itself at the head of a plurality at least. In the mean time, we can stump for and raise money for avowed local level Ron Paul type candidates. We need to get them elected to all levels of government so that Liberty can once again gain a hold among the ruling class (I don’t know what else to call them…besides when we had people like the founders running the country the ruling class was not so bad). Anyway, think on this and let me know what you can come up with. And if your with the official campaign and happen to read this, consider a new video address to the troops from Ron Paul to help give us some direction on this issue. Believe me, my hypocrisy will only go so far.

RJ Harris

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lets get some Ron Paul Democrates

Lets try get the republican party in line and get some of RP people in the democratic party too.

Can the Republican Party Be Saved?

Certainly.
But, not without an invitation being extended to all the disgusted party members out there who have been run off by the current holders of the party. They keep power in the local spheres by simply being nasty beasts to anyone who dare try to involve themselves and does not align with their twisted political dogma.

Understand that when you encounter these people in the GOP who are insufferable, impossible to reason with and just plain jerks that IT IS BY DESIGN! They asolutely intend to make your time spent in grassroot-land living hell. Think about it. If you disagree or otherwise reveal yourself to be "not one of them"-that is it. You will be cold-shouldered, belittled, ganged up on-essentially made to feel that you are THE ONLY ONE who is not going along with the program. If they have done their job well this may even be true! So where have all the real Republicans gone?
Home.
Which is exactly where we need to go-their homes that is. Pound the pavement. Volunteer to recruit for the GOP. Door to Door.

Tell them what you have learned. Make it clear to them that you are not one of the Stepford bunch and that you intend on getting the Party back where it belongs. Tell them about the precinct process, how to become a delegate, what candidates running are Constitutional, when the meetings are and who to go to with questions. The Republican Party is presently highly exclusive with a narrow agenda that does not represent the vast majority of Conservatives. That majority is quietly seething-seemingly alone.

The antics we have encountered in current party activists is not representative of true Republicans! It is the tactics of despots.

So hit the streets with voter registration cards, information on how to participate in the precinct process whatever gives you the excuse to ring their doorbell and let them know that we are the majority awakened and we will unseat the traitors who have claimed our party.

Most of the fools circulating in the party now are a lost cause. Don't let them discourage you or you will become one of those lost souls sitting in front of FOX and wondering what the hell became of our country.

Lex Sentry

Two Choices

We have two options: to try to take it over, and purge it of its Neo-Con leadership, or, to leave it. If we are unable to take it over, we have to try to decide where to go. Again, there are two options: the Constitution Party, and the Libertarian Party.

We are not in a position to divide our forces. We need to try to work this out in the interest of the Ron Paul Revolution, not our personal political proclivities. Otherwise, we will fade into oblivion.

Let me tell you this. If we are unable to take over the Republican Party, the NRP leadership will sow dissension in our ranks. They will try to divide us into quarreling faction. It's the old Divide and Conquer. We need to UNITE.

Going back to the first idea, taking over the Republican Party; I believe the strategy should be to show the American people that they are controlled at the top by the same Council on Foreign Relations interests as the Democrats. That is where they are most vulnerable.

Millions of Americans who consider themselves Conservative, are sending the Republican Party tens of millions of dollars. Then, they try to convince themselves that their party is different from the Democrats.

We know how phony it is. We know that both parties are working to dismantle the Bill of Rights: the Democrats attack the First and Second Amendments, and the Republicans go after the Fourth and Fifth. Neither party could do the damage that has been done to our Republic without the cooperation of the other. We need to point this out to the American people.

Also, we need to neutralize the Chickenhawk, Neo-Con, talk-show hosts. They need to be exposed. Conservatives don't promote war for profit, deficits, phony fiat money, nor the destruction of our civil rights. They are vulnerable, and we need to go after them.

If we can show the American people that the Democrat and Republican parties are actually just one party, controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations, we have a chance.

I agree, but

do you not think the Libertarians and Constitution Party have already been infiltrated by the Neo-Stiffs?

I can say that the Libertarian party has

Look no further than Barr and his VP to answer that question.

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We can all say what needs to be done, but who here led by example today?

I just filed to

become a delegate today. It was easy. I agree get involved in what ever party you feel comfortable they are all possessed. What ever you feel comfortable with at your local community GET INVOLVED. If we do nothing we will never forgive ourselves and always wonder what if. Peace

The Party is Inflicted with Terminal Cancer

It's dying. I say hang on until after the 08'election, then aggressively expose the neo-cons and neo-libs to the sheeple through continued, aggressive education.

We take the sheeple not wanting to cliff-dive to their death and let the neo-stiffs stand alone.

With our movement, we can kill the bogus 2-party (uni-party) system mind set and establish our own.

"The Free American Party"

Old debate

When a group of people reached the conclusion that the Republican Party could not be saved they started a new party and called it the Libertarian Party. That was almost 40 years ago. I've supported that party since the mid 80s, including supporting and voting for Ron Paul in 1988. After Ron Paul got less than 1% of the vote that year, he went back to his medical practice. A few years later he decided to jump back in, but as a Republican.

Ron Paul has realized that while it may not be possible to "save" the Republican Party, a third party option is not a politically viable way to go, and his campaign this year has proved that to be true.

It's ironic that I just read an email about local candidates not being able to get media attention because they are members of the Libertarian Party.

Let's not lose sight of the real goal: to return this country to small Constitutional government. The question is not whether the Republican Party can be saved, but whether trying to achieve our goal is most likely to succeed by saving the Republican Party, or by going third party. If we've learned anything from Ron Paul, it's that our chances are much, much better by going through, and working with, the GOP.

Hell freezes over!

I agree with Minarchist on something!

The Answer is YES!!

Most Republicans actually agree with RP's stand on the issues, once it is explained to them. It is up to us to educate.

We've got the numbers. We can recapture the party. It is our moral obligation. Step one is NOT voting for McCain -- vote Constitution party, or whoever else you like in November.

And the rebuilding will begin. We must stay active after November.

We'll give them one chance to get it right,

if they don't, we'll let them destroy themselves

NO............

and NO

I was a life long "vote waster" before

I generally voted Libertarian, but never joined any party. I now believe that if we do not displace every neocon with a true conservative IN the Republican party, our nation is lost. They are too powerful, and will absolutly cohort with the Democrats to keep any third party non-viable. We MUST clean up the gutter, or it will foul the water for everyone.

Infiltrate both sides

We have no specific alignment with either major party after this election.
Both parties work against us in many ways.

I see no reason not to put RP-style candidates into office by whatever route possible, and regardless of party affiliation.
Work both sides of the aisle, and put Liberty oriented people into office.

Find the easiest races in the local, state, and federal elections at every election cycle, and run a candidate. It doesn't matter whether R or D, just get on the ballot. There are large numbers of races in every election cycle where there isn't even any opposition candidate running at all! Make sure that there is one, from our people.

Then, not only do we have many of our people in various levels of government, we are not easily identified or targeted, and we have weakened the opposition's entrenched positions on both sides of the aisle.

That's a 4th-generation warfare tactic, applied to politics. Don't use the forms and structure that the enemy is trained and equipped to respond to.

This is the only way to win

We need to get involved, and get elected. Everywhere, at all levels, in any party.

The bastards did it to us. Time for some blowback.

A better question is...

Can the United States of America be saved.

The answer is YES!

Although I'm a Ron Paul Republican the party matters less than my country and it's disappearing liberties.

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The American Revolution 2.0 will not be televised... It will be downloaded!!!

Well said, Joe.

Well said, Joe.

I agree with you totally

why should we care about the party!? we care about this country, we don't want it to go down the toilet!! Imagine the vacum it will be left for a China and Russia to become the next world power!! we will be screwed!

The only reason we care about the Republian party for now is that the savior insist this is the party from within we can restore the constitution and I am pretty sure that he is right, he never disappointed us the good Dr. , never!

Go Ron Paul Go

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It is our party

THEY took it away from us. We own that party. We just have been too apathetic and have allowed people with agenda's to stomp all over us. We finally realized what is going on and it is not hypocritical in the least to be in this party. THEY are the hypocrits. If I felt as if we were trying to take over THEIR party, I would not feel good about it, but THEY are the hypocrits. THEY do not follow the platform. They lie and mislead. They are owned by Rockefellers like the rest of the US. This party is the least of it.

All that said, I will support Ron Paul anywhere, even to an island. I have no party loyalty. That is a ludicrous idea to me to be loyal to a "party" no matter what kind of grawdoo they are performing.

I agree

It is up to us to get the Republican party back to its roots. We are involved now in the process...the republican party needs to be saved. If it wasn't for RP it would have been dead and handed over to the neocons. We have our chance to make a difference....restore the GOP. We are apathetic no more.

I was having similar thoughts this weekend

Fortune Favors the Bold

I think after the convention, and the november election, if this strategy doesn't achieve results, we may want to reformulate it. If the party can just change the rules whenever it wants to prevent our delegates or candidates from being elected, then it is no more effective then screaming at a wall. However, BJ lawson won his primary, as did a few maryland republicans. I think this election is a crucial test. If we fail to get even a single person into office, then we may need to adopt a new strategy. I was reading an article about how a ron paul republican won a city council position. I know it doesn't seem like much, but perhaps we should focus more on smaller elections, like town, county, and state, to build OUR party over the long term.

I would first work to change the GOP

I know it will be hard to get even a small change in the GOP. But these crooks along with the Dems have rigged the process so much that anything else is much more daunting of a task in my view.

liberty4us So Do You Have A Concrete Game Plan..............

to stop the criminal behavior the GOP is committing to keep Ron Paul supporters from becoming delegates? Do you or are you aware of all the shit tactics they have pulled at conventions all over the US?

I've read enough about this and seen enough video documenting this outright theft that I wonder if we are even going to be allowed any type of voice at the National..............

And it is easier with a 3rd Party?

Third parties don't get the time of day let alone dealing with the crap at the state conventions. At least at the state conventions there is opportunity to showcase the corruption. It can't be hidden even from the people who support McCain. There will be some honest among them that know this is all wrong. My point is there is more opportunity at this level to get in the game.

Bump

Bumping for one more round of comments

Strength and Honor

Can the Republican Party Be Saved?

Certainly.
But, not without an invitation being extended to all the disgusted party members out there who have been run off by the current holders of the party. They keep power in the local spheres by simply being nasty beasts to anyone who dare try to involve themselves and does not align with their twisted political dogma.

Understand that when you encounter these people in the GOP who are insufferable, impossible to reason with and just plain jerks that IT IS BY DESIGN! They asolutely intend to make your time spent in grassroot-land living hell. Think about it. If you disagree or otherwise reveal yourself to be "not one of them"-that is it. You will be cold-shouldered, belittled, ganged up on-essentially made to feel that you are THE ONLY ONE who is not going along with the program. If they have done their job well this may even be true! So where have all the real Republicans gone?
Home.
Which is exactly where we need to go-their homes that is. Pound the pavement. Volunteer to recruit for the GOP. Door to Door.

Tell them what you have learned. Make it clear to them that you are not one of the Stepford bunch and that you intend on getting the Party back where it belongs. Tell them about the precinct process, how to become a delegate, what candidates running are Constitutional, when the meetings are and who to go to with questions. The Republican Party is presently highly exclusive with a narrow agenda that does not represent the vast majority of Conservatives. That majority is quietly seething-seemingly alone.

The antics we have encountered in current party activists is not representative of true Republicans! It is the tactics of despots.

So hit the streets with voter registration cards, information on how to participate in the precinct process whatever gives you the excuse to ring their doorbell and let them know that we are the majority awakened and we will unseat the traitors who have claimed our party.

Most of the fools circulating in the party now are a lost cause. Don't let them discourage you or you will become one of those lost souls sitting in front of FOX and wondering what the hell became of our country.

LexSentry