THERE IS NO WE
Posted May 13th, 2008 by jg
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There is only 'I' or 'you'.
To all of you people on this board who constantly complain that "WE" need to do something or "WE" need to become Republicans and delegates or "WE" need to leave the Republican party - or whatever.
Who's WE?
Are you talking about YOURSELF?
If, so, why TALK about it. Shut up and DO it.
If not, then what are you going on and on and on about like a little collectivist whiner?
If you aint going to do your own recommendation yourself then shut up.
Either way, quit your talking and TAKE ACTION RIGHT NOW.
Not "right now" as in tomorrow. But print out whatever forms you need to off the web, hit your OFF button on your PC, walk out the door and go DO IT right now and quit b****ing.
If you do not know what next step to take in your state, then ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE HELP.
Eternal whiners, complainers and collectivists who keep telling us what "we" need to do will not.
I know what I need to do and I'm doing it. You don't need to tell me. If you don't - that's your own problem - either ask and find out or shut it.
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OK, please advise people that you only offer nasty help
I know that my RC is down and out, so I try asking you for help. This is exactly what I run into everywhere I turn. "I will help anyone who needs it" then I get someone telling me how to spend the money I do not have, or how to canvass or make the calls which I have already done. I learned my state GOP platform, I learned Robert's Rules, I reached a point where I need solid advice from someone with experience.
HELLOOOOOOO???? Nobody home, anywhere.
Thanks for nothing, but being another WHINER yourself, Jeff.
If you are brave enough, call me anyway and try to chew on me for not meeting your standards. I will tell you to shut up and then maybe we can get something good accomplished.
False
I said contact me privately which you can do easily through the site and I will provide you with whatever you need to get engaged locally in a manner that is non-whiney, non-complainy and 100% constructive.
I never asked you to donate one red cent. Nor have you contacted me.
So quit your b*tching and do something.
LESS TALK MORE ACTION
Peach in, green out
Deep, deep breaths, Jeffy. Slow and deep breaths. Visualize peach energy moving into you and green energy moving out.
I "asked" down the thread, will try at the top
Someone said you were a regional coordinator. I will take a chance that you are, please call me at 208-793-3096. Understand my personal situation before you dial. I have limitations that you apparently do not - good for you. I do ALL I can. I COULD use help, if you have some to offer. I CANNOT take any more personal attacks, I am just not up for it. I read an anger in your posts that at a level I share, but I am too near the end of my emotional rope to have you call and lay into me. If you cannot be kind, please do not call. If you want to help me try to figure out a way to fix what is wrong here locally, it is a problem bigger than I can handle.
This got no reply when I posted in in the thread. I will try here, and if there is no reply I will assume asking you to be kind was more than you were able to handle?
Point well taken
I agree to a large extent.
Well, I have to say that I have a project that is huge that I want to do and I cannot do it alone. Are there a bunch of "yous" out there to help? If so, email me privately.
Live it!
I don't know about you but I am tired of sitting on the computer late at night browsing the endless stream of soon forgotten images and sounds. I'm going to stop preaching freedom and I'm going to start living it. These are the times when all good men and women need to set examples. Get out there and live freedom! If you run into trouble, face that trouble head on at the local level. Everything has to be done starting in the spot where you live and breathe. This is the only way we are going to change things in this country. From the bottom up baby! Get out there and do it...do it for your forefathers...do it for your kids...do it for yourself ...just don't sit there like a piece of toast.
Rock on, bro!
The Spirit of 76 will crush all opponents because it is the eternal desire in every human's heart!
well if you feel you can do
well if you feel you can do this on your own then go ahead..but it takes more than just you..him her her them him...and that makes us...WE need to be in this together...
What does that even mean?
What do you mean "We"?
Do you mean that YOU are becoming a PC or county central committee member?
Do you mean that YOU are PERSONALLY canvassing neighborhoods, knocking on doors and phone banking?
Does it mean that YOU have become a county delegate or state delegate or state committeeman?
What does your post even mean? I suspect it means NOTHING but collectivist whining.
and you?
i can say YES to ALL of those things.
in my state, and in yours.
Welcome.........
....my brother in arms!
What can I do to help you? Just let me know.
Firstly, it is 'You' and 'I'.
And together, they form 'We'.
I think your point is all the "We MUST" and "We NEED". On that point, I agree.
We MUST be ourselves.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
Nonsense
"We" must be nothing. You go DO SOMETHING. And I will take care of myself.
How many precincts have you canvassed?
How many doors have you knocked on?
How many houses have you called?
How many PCs or county central committee members have you recruited?
Are you a PC or county central committee member?
Are you a state committeeman or state delegate? If not, why not?
You go take care of your local business and don't you worry about what "we" should do.
If you need help with what YOU are doing, let me know and I'd be happy to.
you wanna help me dodge
you wanna help me dodge bullets and continue fighting this war? cuz thats what i do...sorry i cant knock on doors with you or call a bunch of people...i'll continue to risk my life for a living while you canvass.....because WE all have a part to play in this...
fair enough...
...one does what one can.
Our Maneuvers are not about Troop Movements
The Mongol hordes were the most mobile and invincible because they were made up of decentralized indomitable individual horsemen who swiftly traveled with their own remounts, drinking mares’ milk and horse blood rather than stopping to forage.
I AM RON PAUL
http://www.dailypaul.com/...
And Stirling Engines to Power the Chariots
So the horses could relax and concentrate on making milk trotting in front.
"Walls are stronger than the men that defend them."
Ghengis Khan
"We the People"
Are "We"
Nonsense II
"We the people" not remaining ever vigilant, have allowed the federal government to overthrow the constitution and trample the Bill of Rights.
What are YOU going to do about it?
You have a couple options:
1) Sit here and philosophize about what YOU believe "we" should do.
2) Get off your keyboard, walkout YOUR door and YOU actually DO something about it!
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I do both constantly!!
I live it,breathe it and spread it like cancer. I was a delegate and got almost 15% for Ron at my polling station, how much did you get?
That's excellent!
Next step, recruit and train others to replicate your successes.
What state?
Rocky top
Home of the Volunteers
idiot thing to say
you been drinking?....tell Dr. Paul there is no WE. Didn't he say when agreeing to run for office to all those who asked him
"we are the campaign"
Take a spa treatment-get laid-something but really who the hell are you to say such things....you'll sober up in the morning.
We are the government
We are the government moonslipper and yes we are the campaign.
Dr. Steve Parent
what are we still doing up
crazy aint it...love that Ron Paul....don't you have a big day tomorrow?
damn Jeff
I know your having it rough lately but seems like your taking it too serious. Yes, I am sure you've done all you can....your in a position to do alot more than "we" can in many ways, but don't despair "we" are right there doing the same in our own little way. It is not all for naught-I hope. I am discouraged as hell, but I have been watching Alex Jones all day and damn I just don't know what "we" can really do any damn way....This post must be directed at someone in particular-which is really not that fair on your part-but hey if the DP is where you need to vent I think we've had worse here so let it rip if you want....
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Without the non-sexy work executed by EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL in their own neighborhood, there is no campaign.
The individual who calls himself "Steve Parent" (but who is not Steve Parent) continues his collectivist nonsense about what HE THINKS "we" ought to do, meanwhile he PERSONALLY has done nothing (except talk about what everyone else has to do.)
If you will note the county by county and precinct by precinct vote breakdown in the Nevada caucus on Jan 19, those precincts that were canvassed, Dr. Paul came in 2 or even 1st. In those precincts that were NOT canvassed, Dr. Paul came in 3, 4, or 5.
On a county by county basis, those counties that were canvassed, Dr. Paul came in 2 or 1st. In those counties that were NOT canvassed, Dr. Paul came in 3, 4, or 5.
DO YOU SEE THE CONNECTION.
"We" do not canvass. YOU DO. You canvass YOUR OWN neighborhood.
This is just one simple example. If one is unfamiliar with the actions or results of canvassing your neighboorhood then one is indeed ignorant of politics and should NOT be telling "we" what YOU think "we" should be doing.
LESS TALKING, MORE ACTION
good for you jg
kick some ass! lets get motivated!
And you think this thread is
And you think this thread is motivating? May I suggest this for true motivation? http://www.dailypaul.com/...
But we're all unique. That's why dailypaul is so popular.
I am out there everyday trying like heck to
make people aware of the fact they are brainwashed. Though, I don't directly tell them they are brainwashed, but provide them will constant facts showing they have been deceived. However, many of these people are so far gone, when you give them factual information, they they refuse to accept it. If they listen to any of the "puppet" talk show hosts or watch Faux News, they will continually be reassured to believe the opposite. The biggest thing I always get in replies to my assertions is McCain is already the nominee, so we either vote for him or allow the liberal socialists run our country. I try to tell them "primaries" mean nothing, they are only straw polls, and delegates could choose not to vote for McCain. One good thing I have been hearing today, listening to the talk shows to see what the response is to McCain's speech on "global warming", is people are pissed. With the oil skyrocketing and his refusal to drill in ANWAR and other domestic sites, McCain has a big problem. Even Sean Vanity is having a hard time convincing the "sheeple" to stay on board. Economics is the place to attack the hardest, because people will be voting their pocket books in November. We must continue to remind people, that getting help from the government only enslaves them, and if we don't change course, we will be a socialist country in a matter of years.
This thread is kinda goofy
It's like the pissing contest that didn't get started
I feel empty inside...
Quit your talking? Some of us spend our lives at work and steal a few minutes here and there just to 'talk'.
Some of us are believers but cannot abandon our families or our low paying high hour jobs to go here and go there for the cause.
Some of us buy the book, pass it around, talk to friends when we can, have a yard sign, and ENJOY the lively debate sparked by all the intelligent people (and the trolls) on this website.
Those of us like this do NOT enjoy being told to 'shut it'.
Just sayin...
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
Only you can judge...
Only you can judge whether you are doing all you possibly can. Only you can judge what the Revolution is worth to you. That said, it can be extremely frustrating for those of us who give hours and hours (and dollars and dollars), often at the expense of something else in our lives, to see someone whose only action is to criticize or disseminate incorrect or incomplete information.
If this doesn't apply to you, don't take it personally.
Well said.
"....frustrating for those of us who give hours and hours (and dollars and dollars), often at the expense of something else in our lives, to see someone whose only action is to criticize or disseminate incorrect or incomplete information."
Exactly! Well said. No one here knows what all I have done for our revolution. I resent anyone who implies otherwise. We need to think before we cast aspersions that someone else is not working as hard as he/she should.
"Let it not be said that we did nothing." Ron Paul
Thanks!
So, addressing you (plural) not you (specifically, Realdeal); as in, ya'll...
You need to decide for yourself whether any comment made applies to you personally. If it doesn't, don't get your hackles up. If it does, get off your tush and make it not apply to you!
Take your motivation as you like it. A gentle encouragement or a kick in the pants. We can accommodate all!
If you need direction, as for it. There's plenty to do...
If that's what you have to give, so be it.
Nothing wrong with that at all, nor did I say there was....
.... until you start telling WE what 'we' are supposed to do (according to you) if/when you are unwilling to do it yourself.
If you are so libertarian, this should be an extremely elementary concept for you to understand in its anti-collectivism.
I have spent too much time on this site
decrying every example of groupthink that I see in our lives, right down to the concept of 'bad' words and 'swearing'. These are basic brainwashing techniques that have been employed by social programmers for years. The transition of these things from the religious medium to the MSM medium has been seamless, really a very good job if you think about it. The only thing 'I' ever tell 'you' to do is to think as an individual. The condescending tone of your response is off-putting, sir. If you want to have your own sort of forum with your own sort of rules, perhaps 'you' should 'individually' consider starting a forum of your own? There are too many people who are too wild and footloose and fancy free in this forum for your suggestions, however cogent, to be followed by most or even considered by some.
I think you are wasting your time here trying to herd cats. I don't know about evryone else, but I personally do not wish to be herded.
Thanks
Andy
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
No one is herding you....
...and this forum is open to everyone.
You seem to believe that my post does not apply to you. So be it.
If you are not telling "we" what you think "we" need to do and what you are not willing to do yourself, then it did not apply
.
Who is herding you?
Are you really that sensitive?
No, I don't think I'm that sensitive...
I think that maybe what it is is that I don't like you. I'm not sure why, but I'm almost positive that if we met someday, I would think, 'What an asshole!' Is that ridiculous? Of course. But I still feel it. I think I'll leave you and this thread alone now, my responses may be tainted by my personal opinion of you.
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
2 things....
That's what everyone thinks until they meet me then they think the precise opposite.
Two, what the hell does this unfounded opinion of yours have to do with anything?
Does it change the veracity of the information I posted? No.
Does it help the revolution? No.
What does it contribute? ZERO.
contribute or move out of the way.
well...
Jeffy, sometimes you're still an asshole in person... But that's ok, it's usually when you're really tired and stressed out and 239427213 people are coming up to you with their personal issues wanting you to hand-hold them.
We can work with that.
I have to admit...
..you're right. :)
I usually am
That's my burden to bear.
Yours, obviously, is being an asshole sometimes. :)
See?
I said I was done but then you did it again! Stop telling me what to do, asshole!!
LOL
By the way, your assertion that you are not an asshole is obviously biased, and I would need more information before making a final determination. OK???
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
You're a disgruntled kook.
My assertion that I'm not is biased, but your assertion is not?
You must be a large L Libertarian! (Or a McCainiac)
You DESIRE to lose.
And you're an asshole.
And I'm having fun. Maybe I am a kook, but I learned about Individualism from Ayn Rand and Ron Paul, they are my teachers and my inspiration, not you. Your self-important posturing is ridiculous. I DESIRE freedom. Every ballot presented to me in this election will be filled out by me with a vote for Rep. Ron Paul of Texas as the next President of this country. Win or lose, I will vote with my principles. What will YOU do?
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'
No you didn't....
You claim you learned individualism from Ayn Rand.
No you didn't.
You are still whiney.
You still need validation from others to do what you believe is right if you ever get yourself motivated to actually DO something rather than just b**ching about it.
You still live in your own fantasy world explaining how you think things "should be" or are "supposed to be" without doing one damn thing to make it that way, as evidenced by your posts here.
QUIT TALKING. TAKE ACTION NOW.
Complainer!
jg I bet you havent been
jg I bet you havent been out of your house in 6 months yet you act like you are the RP campaign director. I guess that makes you one of those "do as I say, not as I do" people.
On the contrary,
JG _is_ a regional campaign coordinator. I doubt he's been home much in the past 9 months at least. I think he has a family, but I'm not sure they remember him.
I can vouch for JG doing as he says, in spades.
I'll make this succinct, as I have to go.
Fuck you. I have whined about nothing. I need nothing from anyone, least of all you. I explained above what I am able to do when time permits. Postulating and theorizing about the way things 'should be' or 'are supposed to be' is NOT 'living in a dream world'. The correct term is 'philosophising', as in expounding on one's PHILOSOPHY. There is certainly nothing wrong with an Objectivist philosopher (not that I claim any formal title) expressing his or her opinions in a forum such as this. Calling me a complainer without context is patently absurd and another example of groupthink, which I abhor.
Now I know why I think you're an asshole.
You are!
'Live for yourself, there's no one else more worth living for,
Begging hands and bleeding hearts
Will only cry out for more...'