
Paper Ballots Hand Counted At The Precinct Or Bust
Submitted by Thomas on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 13:34
Ron Paul Will Never Be Elected President Unless 1 Of These 2 Steps Is Implemented
Unless we have an emergency act of Congress or Supreme Court injunction that voting will only be done by reinstating the old style
paper ballots before the general election.
And we don't stand a chance in hell of taking the Convention in September unless the vote is paper ballots,hand counted in front of everyone. Or we are going to get shafted just like Pat Buchannon did with the good old boy backroom count crap.
Otherwise we have all wasted our time.It has to be the old style clunky little machine with the arrow you slide and then punch out next to your candidate.No electronic machine counting either,hand counted even if it takes all night at the precinct. Thats what coffee is for.This is how we handled OUR elections in the not so distant past and I am sure that there are tons and tons of these machines in county storage all over the US.
We do not have much time.
http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/ The 50 state lawsuit went nowhere.
We all know about Diebold and Hacking Democracy
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
Hacking Democracy Video Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E
These groups have done a lot but I feel we need a heavy hitter say like
Judge Andrew Napolitano http://www.judgenap.com/
He could write the brief or help draft the emergency legislation.
Lets all please try contacting him on this most important issue.
We need an Act of Congress or Supreme Court injunction.
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Okay I get it!
I made a lame ass post earlier and I apologize. I think it got flagged and deleted. I just didn't think that many people cared about this anymore. I was a precinct inspector at my local polling place, and I was pissed that we were not instructed to count the votes, only the ballots.
Pass me the super glue, and where's my baseball bat?!?!
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HOW MANY HERE WOULD TAKE A WEEK OFF AND DISCREETLY
TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTRY, OR WOULD WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH OTHERS ...too destroy the electronic voting machines.....
Who here has the guts, the courage, and the cahoonas to participate in this...because like it or not, that may realistically be the ABSOLUTELY ONLY WAY WE CAN GO BACK TO HAND COUNTED BALLOTS....
anyone???
I mean this would solve it ...I SWEAR THE CANADIANS WOULD STEP UP...THE ORIGINAL AMERICAN PATRIOTS WOULD STEP UP....
I want this
but if we don't get it, we need to do a 100% exit poll with three people in every single precinct. They should not be only Ron Paul people. Should not require any law changes or any actions by our government or the two parties.
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its amazing that at the state conventions we have
like 30-70% of the delegates that vote for Ron Paul platforms and national delegates, and they are all hand counted....what would happen if all ballots in this country were hand counted...
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Friendly bump for an issue that needs to be addressed
I'll bump this
even though you had the disrespect to spit in my face on the other thread.
Let's just say I "turned the other cheek".
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thjs
see this link.... this is the only answer
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/49120
feel free to respond on that link so you can be counted on to save the country...
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this
when you get to these voting machines this Nov.
Put crazy glue in them ,drill screws in the slots ,cut the power cords do anything to them but vote."The PEOPLE...are the only influence for the prosecution of our Liberty" Thomas Jefferson,
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I've asked about this here
I've asked about this here before recently. I'm glad to see your post
I hear you loud and clear -- here's what's happening in my state
I thought we could start at the state level with each Sec. of State.
So I faxed and emailed my own sec of state every other day with a nice letter requesting the DRE machines be replaced by hand counted paper ballots, as "promised." (this particular Sec of State ran/was elected on the platform of getting rid of the voting machines)
No response. I did this for almost 2 months.
Then I found out on May 3 that they didn't answer because they're being sued:
VoterGA supporters,
All motions and responses in the lawsuit are now posted on the VoterGA web site. This includes:
Our Motion for Summary Judgment requesting a favorable ruling without trial.
The Defendants’ response to our motion
The Defendants’ motion for dismissal
Our response to the Defendants’ motion
Our Statement of Facts
The Defendants dispute with our Statement of Facts
The Defendants Statement of Facts
Our dispute with the Defendants Statement of Facts
The Defendant’s responses do not appear to be that strong. We have read them are believe that we will get a favorable ruling from the court. We expect a ruling in the next 30 to 60 days.
Sad Isn't
We can't get a couple people in every precinct who are honest enough to count our votes. The only reason for the machines I believe is they can get results faster so the media can report it faster. If America can't even get this right, what are we going to.
Whats really sad is that just a miniscule fraction on this site.
even get this and it last basically 5-10 min on front page.
This is the most important issue besides delegates and this needs to stay front page and frankly I am tired of breaking posting rules and bumping this post. I will say this we can accomplish this but we need to find a couple of key people to really get this going or this election will be a joke like the last two.
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We have to fix this first
We have to fix this first and foremost, or the "Ron Paul Revolution" will only exist on a rhetorical level. Our elections are rigged, and so are our primaries. We should either fix this problem, or we should give up and go home, because if your vote isn't even counted, you're accomplishing nothing.
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I sent mine in too....
Recently awakened, always vigilant.
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!
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Sent my message to the Judge. I never mentioned RP in the text...only that I implored him to use his influence and behind-the-scenes knowledge to end this civil atrocity.
After explaining that I'm nearly 50 and have never voted until 2 weeks ago, I did end my note with, "the doctor cured my apathy".
BC
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Silence isn't always golden....sometimes it's yellow.
Thanks bcfast, I'm Kind Of Pissed At This Point Of The...
crookedness of the Judges across this land in their refusal to hear this case.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/NCEL/Vote-COMP...
There has to be a remedy for this.
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This Is The 50 State NCEL Lawsuit That Flopped
Any legal minds know of recourse or remedy?
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/NCEL/Vote-COMP...
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Hi, I emailed the judge just a minute ago:
Hi, I emailed the judge just a minute ago:
Dear Judge,
there is a big danger in counting votes for any election with voting-machines. In the Netherlands it was used, but after protest they are counting paper ballots again. That is because vote-fraud is very easy with this machines (computers). Please judge, try to use your powerful influence, for the people, to help to get rid of the machines so it's paper ballots again.
Here a short article how it happened in the Netherlands.
http://www.wijvertrouwenstemcomputersniet.nl/English
Kind regards,
Pieter
Pieter,Thanks We Will Get Our Legitimate Vote Back...
if we all work together on this.
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There should be no secrecy
I always wondered why people want their vote hidden from the public in the first place. They should have you walk up to a camera with your face on display and just say who you want to vote for. It would eliminateall the bullshit. I would proudly walk up and say I want Ron Paul and I bet most americans would also. If I had to walk up and say I want John Mccain, Clinton or Obama, there would be a guy with a government issue suit in the booth with me pointing a gun to my head.
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I don't care
if it takes them a week or more to count the vote fairly! Change the counters every 2 hours or so
seriously what if the only way AND I DO MEAN THE ONLY WAY
we could ever get an honest voting method , is if say 200 of us planned and executed a coup'de'ete(sp?) on the electronic voting machines...I mean really...We found out where they are held, and break in and use baseball bats to destroy them. Yes its illegal, but so was the Boston tea party...(see below of the accounting with an eyewitness)...
The committee reported back to the mass meeting and a howl erupted from the meeting hall. It was now early evening and a group of about 200 men disguised as Indians assembled on a near-by hill. Whopping war chants, the crowd marched two-by-two to the wharf, descended upon the three ships and dumped their offending cargo's of tea into the harbor waters.
Most colonists applauded the action while the reaction in London was swift and vehement. In March 1774 Parliament passed the Intolerable Acts which among other measures closed the Port of Boston. The fuse that led directly to the explosion of American independence was lit.
George Hewes was a member of the band of "Indians" that boarded the tea ships that evening. His recollection of the event was published some years later. We join his story as the group makes its way to the tea-laden ships:
"It was now evening, and I immediately dressed myself in the costume of an Indian, equipped with a small hatchet, which I and my associates denominated the tomahawk, with which, and a club, after having painted my face and hands with coal dust in the shop of a blacksmith, I repaired to Griffin's wharf, where the ships lay that contained the tea. When I first appeared in the street after being thus disguised, I fell in with many who were dressed, equipped and painted as I was, and who fell in with me and marched in order to the place of our destination.
The Boston Tea Party
When we arrived at the wharf, there were three of our number who assumed an authority to direct our operations, to which we readily submitted. They divided us into three parties, for the purpose of boarding the three ships which contained the tea at the same time. The name of him who commanded the division to which I was assigned was Leonard Pitt. The names of the other commanders I never knew. We were immediately ordered by the respective commanders to board all the ships at the same time, which we promptly obeyed. The commander of the division to which I belonged, as soon as we were on board the ship, appointed me boatswain, and ordered me to go to the captain and demand of him the keys to the hatches and a dozen candles. I made the demand accordingly, and the captain promptly replied, and delivered the articles; but requested me at the same time to do no damage to the ship or rigging. We then were ordered by our commander to open the hatches and take out all the chests of tea and throw them overboard, and we immediately proceeded to execute his orders, first cutting and splitting the chests with our tomahawks, so as thoroughly to expose them to the effects of the water.
In about three hours from the time we went on board, we had thus broken and thrown overboard every tea chest to be found in the ship, while those in the other ships were disposing of the tea in the same way, at the same time. We were surrounded by British armed ships, but no attempt was made to resist us.
...The next morning, after we had cleared the ships of the tea, it was discovered that very considerable quantities of it were floating upon the surface of the water; and to prevent the possibility of any of its being saved for use, a number of small boats were manned by sailors and citizens, who rowed them into those parts of the harbor wherever the tea was visible, and by beating it with oars and paddles so thoroughly drenched it as to render its entire destruction inevitable."
IF WE DON'T DO THIS DRASTIC STEP WHAT OTHER CHOICE DO WE HAVE?????
agreed
I agree. However, I don't think we will be able to get anything done before this election. In fact I don't think america will wake up untill after the election.
We would be far better off writing up an impeachment plan and preparing to kick out whoever starts the next war.
Well Jdayh I Think We Can Resolve This Without Your...
possible proposed method.But I do feel that if another election is stolen it could have very serious consequences that possibly could lead to violence.I asked an old friend of mine when are things going to change? His answer was: When people are sick and tired of being sick and tired. Thats Now!
What I am thinking is that we need a super heavy hitter well versed in constitutional law that we can rally behind money wise. And just blast the Supreme Court and Congress or maybe pick one or maybe both to cover the bases.We are going to need a Congressman or Congresswoman that is willing to pull a "Mr.Smith Goes To Washington and not back down until it (paper ballots no electronic counting of any kind) bill is passed.
We came together many months ago and shocked the world and broke records for fund raising and I think we are going to need to have a huge money bomb to fund this project.We can do this again and take our vote back and make it an honest transparent system again. Is anyone interested in setting up a professional website that can have both ways on if thats determined to be the best way.I'm broke and not currently working but I'll put up the first $100.00 to get this going.
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Remember Pakistan's attorney's -first to the streets?
It is one of the huge disappointments of this effort to me - where are OUR outraged attorneys? I see them speak about the last vestiges of our Constitution, where are the pro bono lawsuits on behalf of our NATION? I kept thinking some attorney would be tracking this whole campaign, and filing lawsuits and injunctions and whatever else they could do to save the Constitution. Honestly, if putting a pair of glasses on America would save her, I would do it for free. No one would even have to ask.
American Bar Association
Is a member of, one of the secret societies. I cannot remember which one exactly, but I definitely read it. Most attornies are "owned." The ones I know are for the war.
paul4won, I have Posted 2 Viable Solutions...
Lets all please try contacting Judge Andrew Napolitano http://www.judgenap.com/
Doesn't Ron Paul have a legal team? I for one am amazed with what we know about the electronic machines that this has not been taken care of.
If this is not taken care of we might be in for some real "problems" considering the disenfranchisement of voters that experience another election being stolen from them.
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If there is a "team" they are stealthy
I believe they have one attorney they consult with, or something like that. I know that when the GOP pulled some stunts that I thought were worth calling them out on, no legal assistance was available. I was told there would be a phone call from an attorney, but that never happened. Subsequent requests went ignored.
I agree about the problem. I truly, from day one, thought if NOTHING else came of this, the vote fraud would be exposed. Now I suspect the campaign had no intention of challenging the voting system at all. It is quite disappointing.
I will contact the judge, thanks for the link.
There are
all kinds of things that need to be better monitored during the voting.
Paper ballot systems have also been defrauded.
Everything from the actual voting, right thru the counting being monitored, and tallying too.
It all needs watchful eyes on it.
People have been stuffing boxes, and rigging counts, long before any machines were doing it.
BigT Granted There Has been Some Fraud In The Past...
but not on the level that is possible with machines. The need to go now.
If the ballots are hand counted paper punch type ballots the instance of fraud is reduced to a microscopic level and we have much more honest elections.
The ballots have to be counted at the polling places with an equal number of people from all parties overseeing each other. No going home until they all agree on the count.Then a notary can verify the count at the precinct on video then the totals can be released.
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Agreed. I don't think the
Agreed.
I don't think the Ron Paul Revolution has been taking this issue seriously enough, and really, it's already too late to address it.
Dealing with electronic voting machines should be tops on our list as an issue in 2009. We need a Federal Clean Elections Act, written by Dr. Paul himself.
Don't give up, Thomas. You are one of the very few in our movement who gives this issue enough attention and gravitas.
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this is of critical importance and needs to be side by side with the delegate gathering.I believe if approached correctly by the right person that is a Constitutional legal giant with "weight" that it could be taken care of before the 2008 election.
We absolutely cannot afford to wait until the 2012 election cycle.4 more years of neocon garbage is going to completely destroy this nation and if you don't realize how precariously we are teetering right now your not paying attention.
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I agree, but the cards have
I agree, but the cards have already been dealt. If we can't fix the problem this year, we need to fix it next year. It's bad enough that we are forced to live in a constitutionally void Democracy instead of a Republic...but if we don't clean up the election process, we aren't even living in a Democracy. A nation with fixed elections is a Despotism or rogue state. Until Diebold is yanked out and hand counted paper ballots are instituted, that's the reality of our system, and we are powerless to change it until it's cleaned up.
It's the most important issue we face. There's no doubt in my mind that McClunk is the presumed nominee because of vote tampering. So it has already impacted us this year. We have to fix this problem, and do away with the Politics of Wishful Thinking that seem to dominate our movement.
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Well Now......
it' been 38 min since I posted this not one comment or input or idea from anyone. So I'll just break forum protocol and unashamedly self bump.
And I am going to keep doing this until the election is over or we the people resolve this issue.
Matter a fact I'm going to make Steve Parent look like a beginner with this one. Now do you see why I gave up 7 or so months ago on this issue ?
This is the second most important issue besides getting delegates in this campaign.
This is going to be in your face until we resolve this.
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Thomas, would it be helpful
Thomas, would it be helpful and circumvent the evil machines if we all just voted absentee, to get a paper ballot?
akak
Positively not!!! First of all voting absentee in no way resolves the fact that our system of voting is rigged by the use of electronic voting machines and thats how absentee ballots will be counted also.Plus the "chain of command is lost by using the postal system.This fraud is all on record in Congress for gods sake.How in the hell do you think Bush won the last 2 elections???
Have you seen Hacking Democracy yet? If you haven't I would suggest seeing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E
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This Is The Big...
Bump in the road that MUST be deal with and overcome.
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I really can't belive this.
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La La La La Were Going To Win The Convention La La La...
Not unless we correct this folks.
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